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Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/19/2006 1:03:24 PM   
Amorpheous


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Status: offline 		What safe methods of engaging with actual loss of consciousness in BDSM play can people think of? Obviously, the body is not meant to pass out, so there's always substantial risk involved. But what can be achieved with what degrees of safety?

Obviously breathplay, but that has its own problems - including that it's somewhat more violent than I'm interested in here. (The ideal would be something akin to going under anesthesia in terms of mood - doesn't necessarily have to be chemical, but still something quiet and sensuous.)
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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/19/2006 1:13:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe there have been threads about this, and the conclusion was that there's no safe way to render someone unconscious.

I guess it's a different matter if you happen to be an anaesthesiologist, but they don't do that shit without an entire hospital staff right at their call.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/19/2006 1:17:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's plenty of ways to knock someone out in a reasonably risk free situation.  The most common is to use alcohol or OTC or prescription drugs, and some find a measure of success with hypnosis. 

But all methods have risks which should be assessed.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/19/2006 2:18:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		What OTC/prescription drugs should I be looking at? (Noting, of course, the many sensible concerns about legality and availability as well. Is there something that splits the difference well - legalish, safeish, etc?)

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/21/2006 6:25:14 AM   
givemyall


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Status: offline 		Im with LordandMaster on this one  - all sounds a little too scarey

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/23/2006 7:20:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Amorpheous

What OTC/prescription drugs should I be looking at? (Noting, of course, the many sensible concerns about legality and availability as well. Is there something that splits the difference well - legalish, safeish, etc?)

Clearly we'd be violating the TOS of this site by telling you what drugs to give someone.  If you're not trained to know that already by nature of your occupation, it's my personal opinion that you shouldn't be messing with this shit.  I HAVE the knowledge, the certifications, the training and the equipment to reverse what it is I might mess up and not even I'm that nuts.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/23/2006 7:39:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Um... none of the above.  Probably the safest method of inducing unconciousness is a 'sleeper' hold.  Police are trained to do this well, and it causes several deaths per year. 

With drugs, well - they train anethiseologists for years, and they monitor vital signs for the whole time the patient is unconcious - and they lose a patient every so often, too.

There's alcohol overdose, but that's a lengthy process, burns up brain cells, and tends to toxify the subject - as well as making them feel horrid for a while afterward. 

Some have reported success with post-hypnotic suggestion, but I'm not going to endorse messing about with someone's psyche without extensive training.

So - why do you want to do this?  Unconcious, unresponsive subjects aren't really as much fun as you may think.  I *know* this - after all, I was married.


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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/23/2006 8:01:56 AM   
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Unconcious, unresponsive subjects aren't really as much fun as you may think.  I *know* this - after all, I was married.


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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/23/2006 8:03:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		My rule is that "Pass Out" means stop the scene immediatly. A sub passing out is not to be done on purpose. It's a reason to put the breaks on everything and go straight into warmth and after care.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/23/2006 9:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		If unconsciousness was the goal, good. If not then I go into protective and caring mode.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/27/2006 9:22:01 PM   
CommunistTrees


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Status: offline 		I've actually been wondering about this as well, though for a slightly different reason.  My mistress and I are pondering some needle play.  She's highly experienced, has proven to me that I can trust her for technique and all that, so we're good there.  Only thing is, I have a relatively significant fear of needles, and thus there is a chance that I would pass out (it's happened before with normal medical use).  This would stop the scene immediately, but I do worry about how unsafe that is.  Any input?

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/27/2006 9:43:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		CommunistTrees, I think you are refering to fainting in stead of unconsiousness.  There is a big difference in the two.  But if fainting occurs, the sceene should be stopped.  At least a good brake and constant monitoring.

It is very important that the sub let's the dom know immedialy if he/she start's to feel dizzyness og lightheadiness.  Then it's somtimes possible to avoid fainting and keep the scene going after a short brake.

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/28/2006 10:23:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would you prefer I said vasovagal syncope?  The result is still unconciousness; it was just a small tangent to the original question that seemed appropriate.

In past, I've had absolutely no warning.  I've felt a little off, thought I said something about it (when apparently I didn't actually get it out), and then had nothing until I woke up.  Never happened during any sexual activity of any sort, but with needles and me, there's a possibility it might.  Thus, why I'm wondering just how unsafe that possibility is.  Should I start a new thread?  Not that familiar with the dynamic of this particular forum (obviously).

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RE: Unconsciousness and Safety - 10/29/2006 12:53:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		What I meant by there is a difference in unconsiouness and fainting is some what of a degree of seriousness.  Fainting being less serious in it self because it's lasts only for a short time like waking up just after being put in horizontal position (falling down).  The only way to distinguish between these two conditions is to watch the clock and try to wake you up.  If you have someone unconsius in your hands, the only correct thing to do is to call appropriate emergency number for an ambulance.

Thad said, being in secure conditions (like lying down already) there is no problem with fainting in it self if you gain consiusness soon.  I can't distinguish been the two conditions unless by trying to wake you up and monitor the time. Therefore I would not go into any needleplay unless after lot's of research.

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