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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/1/2006 11:21:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mavis

yes dasmethyst, you did find what was wrong, that's exactly what i was saying, that it's a fallacy that BDSM always includes sex, and also a fallacy that sex is bad. 



I have an issue with this statement.

BDSM does not always involve sexual intercourse.  However, the emotional energy is closely aligned with the sex drive, from what I understand.  I tend to think that the Christian opposition to sex is really an attempt by a religion to snuff out a biological imperative which they cannot control. 

So the statement that BDSM is not about sex is something I think is incorrect.

As incorrect as the statement that BDSM involves sexual intercourse.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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okay this is my attempt to avoid totally screwing up the he said and th eshe said stuff here...  Im not terribly good at all the quoteing stuff...

and so my anwer t you sinergy is this...
In my humble opinion  D/s play is in of itself asexual......i ordinarily DO NOT have a sexual relationship with thse that I play with...have i ???  Yes on a few very few occassios i have had sexual/intimate relatons with those that i have played with...

How ever to me  a Scene is not sexual...the majority f the time it is nearly a meditations session for me.   it is an exercise in breathing and endurance...kinda like giving birth....wouldnt call that experience a sexual one would you??  i actually prefer not to be touchedon my goodies, nor in a traditionally sexual place when plying....i find it distracting.... now if it was just about KINKY SEX....then Yes it is a sexual thing....  but well for me the play session is an apple and sex is an orange...and well i usually do not put my apples and my oran ges out at the same time.

just my humble opinion!

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/1/2006 12:13:09 PM   
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Hello little red,

I suppose my point was less about the act of sex, and more about the physiology of WIITWD and/or sex. 

When I was referring to the sex drive, I was talking about that physical drive which is hard wired into living animals.  BDSM tends to be sexual in nature as both sex and BDSM cause biochemical changes in a person's brain which the person finds pleasurable.  And the drive to experience this pleasurable sensation is similar in both the act of sex and the act of BDSM.

To further clarify, I think having sex with a person and having BDSM interactions with a person are two different things.  My point on this topic is that religions in general tend to frown on activities which they cannot control, like sex, drugs, BDSM, etc., where the people are seeking an emotional sensation brought about by activities not involving religion.

Not to bash any religion kinksters, I am speaking of organized religion.

Clear as mud?

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/2/2006 4:08:28 AM   
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To further clarify, I think having sex with a person and having BDSM interactions with a person are two different things. 


Not to go off-topic. And while sex and BDSM are two different things, is it to say you feel they can, cannot mix the two?

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/2/2006 5:12:16 AM   
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It stikes me that Nietzsche was right that christianity is a 'slave religion'...so therefore in a sense was a strange bdsm institution in itself....wives having to 'obey' as slaves, husbands as Masters... and everyone as a 'slave' to god...evgen the whole celebacy/guilt/denial/repression reeks of masochism...and of course many a nun got wet and prayed with a candle on the 'passions' of christ...O, all those scourges and thorns...oooooh....

....one of the the main problems with this system today is its patriarchal bias....so now we can be slaves to the Goddess....or become one with Her and have male slaves...ah, bring on the Revolution!  :  )

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/2/2006 6:42:56 AM   
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I wasn't raised to view the Bible as Christianity but the life of Christ as Christianity's model.

Jesus says very little about sex or sexuality. Primarily he focuses on living a good life with hypocrisy and loving god and other human beings as much if not more than yourself.


Huh?!   I was always under the impression that Jesus didn't like hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is one of the major problems with Christianity as a whole these days. People piously quoting verses whilst hurting others, not  bothering to actually take time to learn the whole Word and to love others. They merely pick out the verses that suit their desires and then go forth with sword flailing. That's your hypocrite right there. Not at all someone that Jesus would've been pleased with.
 
That said... upon re-reading your quote, I think you probably meant humility instead of hypocrisy. So don't mind my long-windedness.
 
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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/2/2006 7:21:26 AM   
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I wasn't raised to view the Bible as Christianity but the life of Christ as Christianity's model.

Jesus says very little about sex or sexuality. Primarily he focuses on living a good life with hypocrisy and loving god and other human beings as much if not more than yourself.


Huh?! I was always under the impression that Jesus didn't like hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is one of the major problems with Christianity as a whole these days. People piously quoting verses whilst hurting others, not bothering to actually take time to learn the whole Word and to love others. They merely pick out the verses that suit their desires and then go forth with sword flailing. That's your hypocrite right there. Not at all someone that Jesus would've been pleased with.

That said... upon re-reading your quote, I think you probably meant humility instead of hypocrisy. So don't mind my long-windedness.

zuma


It was one of my mistypes... when I went back to fix it the thread had moved on and my "edit" button disappears when that happens for my post. (setting problem I can fix?)

It should have been "without hypocrisy".

Almost every time Jesus gets angry, it is at hypocrits.

Often when he forgives someone merely says "go and sin no more" but what that sin is is not explicitely described and thus open to interpretation.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/3/2006 5:14:49 AM   
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Interesting response.. Thanks for your view

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/3/2006 5:17:36 AM   
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I wasn't raised to view the Bible as Christianity but the life of Christ as Christianity's model.

Jesus says very little about sex or sexuality. Primarily he focuses on living a good life with hypocrisy and loving god and other human beings as much if not more than yourself.


Huh?!   I was always under the impression that Jesus didn't like hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is one of the major problems with Christianity as a whole these days. People piously quoting verses whilst hurting others, not  bothering to actually take time to learn the whole Word and to love others. They merely pick out the verses that suit their desires and then go forth with sword flailing. That's your hypocrite right there. Not at all someone that Jesus would've been pleased with.
 
That said... upon re-reading your quote, I think you probably meant humility instead of hypocrisy. So don't mind my long-windedness.
 
zuma


I had to do a double-take on that too but I figured it was a typo.. otherwise I woulda had to call er a hypocrite!  grin

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/3/2006 7:51:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

To further clarify, I think having sex with a person and having BDSM interactions with a person are two different things. 


Not to go off-topic. And while sex and BDSM are two different things, is it to say you feel they can, cannot mix the two?


Not at all, I personally like to mix these up all the time.

I was simply trying to compare the physiological effects of both as being antithetical to the desire or tendency of organized religion's attempts to control their worshippers.

Jm, cbw, btyg.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/3/2006 7:56:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: equilibrium22

It stikes me that Nietzsche was right that christianity is a 'slave religion'...so therefore in a sense was a strange bdsm institution in itself....wives having to 'obey' as slaves, husbands as Masters... and everyone as a 'slave' to god...evgen the whole celebacy/guilt/denial/repression reeks of masochism...and of course many a nun got wet and prayed with a candle on the 'passions' of christ...O, all those scourges and thorns...oooooh....

....one of the the main problems with this system today is its patriarchal bias....so now we can be slaves to the Goddess....or become one with Her and have male slaves...ah, bring on the Revolution!  :  )

John-Paul



I would imagine that Nietzsche picking on Christianity was a function of context, as opposed to singling it out from the major religious groups on this planet.

He was raised, educated, and lived in a Judeo-Christian society.

I imagine he would have felt similarly about Paganism, Islam, Buddhism, Sufiism, Scientology, the Moonies, whatever.

For that matter, it would not surprise me if he were alive today, to found out he also considers modern philosophy and psychology to be in the same boat.

From what I remember reading, he was kinda grumpy about the whole human consciousness thing.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/3/2006 10:04:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zumala

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I wasn't raised to view the Bible as Christianity but the life of Christ as Christianity's model.

Jesus says very little about sex or sexuality. Primarily he focuses on living a good life with hypocrisy and loving god and other human beings as much if not more than yourself.


Huh?! I was always under the impression that Jesus didn't like hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is one of the major problems with Christianity as a whole these days. People piously quoting verses whilst hurting others, not bothering to actually take time to learn the whole Word and to love others. They merely pick out the verses that suit their desires and then go forth with sword flailing. That's your hypocrite right there. Not at all someone that Jesus would've been pleased with.

That said... upon re-reading your quote, I think you probably meant humility instead of hypocrisy. So don't mind my long-windedness.

zuma


I had to do a double-take on that too but I figured it was a typo.. otherwise I woulda had to call er a hypocrite! grin


This is all another wonderful example of how I really need a slave who does nothing but read everything I write for typos and spelling and grammar -- gods how I hate dislexia! So much stuff in my head, so hard to get it out in a really good form.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 4:40:16 AM   
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[/quote]

Not at all, I personally like to mix these up all the time.

I was simply trying to compare the physiological effects of both as being antithetical to the desire or tendency of organized religion's attempts to control their worshippers.

Jm, cbw, btyg.

Sinergy

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Yep, same here. Thanks for clarifying.



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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 4:42:42 AM   
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I had to do a double-take on that too but I figured it was a typo.. otherwise I woulda had to call er a hypocrite! grin
[/quote]

This is all another wonderful example of how I really need a slave who does nothing but read everything I write for typos and spelling and grammar -- gods how I hate dislexia! So much stuff in my head, so hard to get it out in a really good form.
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Hey Me too! In fact Ive even thought of getting a slave to do My typin for Me as some days I just hate typin LOL

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 4:54:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: equilibrium22

It stikes me that Nietzsche was right that christianity is a 'slave religion'...so therefore in a sense was a strange bdsm institution in itself....wives having to 'obey' as slaves, husbands as Masters... and everyone as a 'slave' to god...evgen the whole celebacy/guilt/denial/repression reeks of masochism...and of course many a nun got wet and prayed with a candle on the 'passions' of christ...O, all those scourges and thorns...oooooh....

....one of the the main problems with this system today is its patriarchal bias....so now we can be slaves to the Goddess....or become one with Her and have male slaves...ah, bring on the Revolution!  :  )

John-Paul



Ahh yes.. which brings to mind this ..


In support of the recent Southern Baptist edict that
women should "submit to their husbands," we have
acquired an inventory of beginning B&D supplies for
the Baptist couple eager to explore the righteous ways
of wife Domination:

1.) Starter kit; Leather masks with zippers and a cat o' nine tails. The masks are clearly emblazoned with Christian Fish symbols on the forehead.
 
2.) Nipple Clamps of the Holy Trinity; Three brass nipple clamps held together with golden chains of appropriate length, allowing the Masterful husband many options in attaching the third 'Holy Spirit' clamp.

3.) Mary Magdalene's Leather Pants: This "cheekless"design allows full access to spanking surfaces when the wife is in her proper penitent, kneeling position.

4.) Wrath of God: a 12-foot bullwhip of black cowhide on a Communion chalice handle for putting the fear of God into wives who have strayed (e.g. thinking for themselves or having an opinion with no regard for the damage this causes the family).

5.) The Rack of St. Stephen: Sturdy construction with heavy, fur-lined wrist and ankle restraints. Can be spun upside down for the St. Paul variant.

 
6.) The Archangel; Large punishment phallus of sufficient diameter and length to make any wayward wife: "Righteous".

7.) The Judas Wand: A handsome vibrator that works well for five minutes then shuts down automatically, leaving the wife more dependent than ever on her Master.
 
8.) Riding Crop of the Pharacies; Teach your wife the ways of the Lord with this sturdy handcrafted Riding Crop.
 
9.) Anointment; A thick, non-toxic balm scented with myrrh and frankincense. Perfect for easing the pain of heavily welted skin or allowing the Master easier penetration when teaching a lesson regarding the ways of Sodom.

 Can I get an Amen!?   



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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 5:11:14 AM   
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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 6:54:42 AM   
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Wow, this is been quite a thread.  I guess I should de-lurk here for a minute. Starting back in 1998 I was involved with the only (as far as we knew) Christian BDSM group online.  The group was formed a year prior when a couple of Christians hanging out in USENET groups got tired of the abuse, snide comments, and general venom directed towards Christians. As I told a friend recently, "…we knew the inside of the closet as well as we knew the inside of a church."  Indeed, the predominant attitude in evangelical Christianity is that BDSM is abusive and is totally inappropriate for a Christian.  As zuma noted a couple days ago, we indeed were "birds of a feather" who simply wanted to flock together, so to speak.  We simply wanted a place where we could be open about our kink, faith, struggles, life in the closet, family concerns, etc.  Since our early foundational work in the late 90’s a number of BDSM groups claiming to be Christian have risen and fallen, ranging from fundamentalist groups (i.e., non-homosexual, male-only headship, etc.) to some more liberal groups where you can do anything/anyone you want as long as you call yourself a Christian while you're doing it.
 
That said, I do want to address the assertion I've seen that "Christian BDSM" seems either oxymoronic (like military intelligence) or an unnecessary qualification (like "microbiologist BDSM").
 
I'm sure you've all seen how the number one newbie question is some variation of, "What is the difference between a slave in a submissive?" Well, in Christian BDSM groups arguably the number one topic is, "How can I be a Christian and do BDSM?"  Needless to say we spent years going around that question ad nausea.  The bottom line is, it depends on what you believe Christianity requires of you, and what "things" you believe are involved in BDSM. Actually, in the groups, a basic question was more often phrased something like: "If Christ came to set us free, isn't bondage a sin?"  [For the curious, the answer to that question goes something like this: As Christians, bought with a blood price by our new master, Christ, we are His slaves, slaves to righteousness, and no longer slaves to sin. This is not, however, to be interpreted that we don't sin, only that we should understand that a way has been bought for us that we would not be trapped in a hopeless cycle of bondage to sin. From the Christian theological perspective it's not a matter of whether to be in bondage or free, but to what/whom we will be in bondage. Ergo, bondage, especially as a metaphor, is not at all inappropriate or without Biblical precedent.]

Second, "Christian BDSM" is not an unnecessary qualification to define our lifestyle and practice.  As a prefix to the practice, the name means something.  Some have tried to reverse those two, putting the BDSM before the "Christian" part, wherein their BDSM beliefs/morals (or lack thereof) define their Christianity, rather than the other way around.  But I also call myself a Christian Dom for the same reasons I prefer the term "Christian BDSM." Simply put, my Christian faith informs, shapes, compels, and restrains me in how I conduct myself as a Dom. As we've all probably heard, the bottom line Golden rule is to do unto others as you would have done unto you.  Okay, that's the basics.  But what about His other examples and lessons -- grace, love, mercy, patience, self-sacrifice -- that a Christian leader/Dom must demonstrate? We've heard it said around here and in other places, a "master" must master himself before he can master another. While around here that may only carry the weight of mere opinion, in Christian D/s or BDSM we would recognize that as a doctrinal imperative since that statement nearly exactly mirrors a couple of Biblical texts explaining the qualifications for church leadership.  Another example: Since throughout the New Testament the relationship between Christ and the Church is expressly called a marriage (Christ as the bridegroom, the Church as the bride) the nature of that marriage informs our understanding an expression of Christian marriage in general.  So if someone raises the question, "In what ways, and how far, should the church obey Christ?" the answer would be, "Totally and in all things."  Well, with that in mind, we've got all kinds of interesting discussions regarding Total Power Exchange relationships as a reflection of the Christ-Church marriage relationship.  Anyway, those are but a few examples of how the unique theology and intimate imagery influences many of us who practice "Christian BDSM."

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/4/2006 4:11:44 PM   
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Hey, werent you knockin on My door last week!? jk LOL.. My.. what a long winded reply as well Mine wont be as thought out or as long. It seems as though you are quite articulate and concise in your view. Care to expound on what you think the ''differences'' are or could be in comparison? Such as flagellation, restraint, mixing S&M with sex, polyamory etc.. On the whole do you feel those who embrace or cling to 'Christian D/s' practice such.. or is this a tad too 'decadent'. Thanks for your response.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/5/2006 8:41:28 AM   
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How ever to me  a Scene is not sexual...the majority f the time it is nearly a meditations session for me.   it is an exercise in breathing and endurance...kinda like giving birth....wouldnt call that experience a sexual one would you??  i actually prefer not to be touchedon my goodies, nor in a traditionally sexual place when plying....i find it distracting.... now if it was just about KINKY SEX....then Yes it is a sexual thing....  but well for me the play session is an apple and sex is an orange...and well i usually do not put my apples and my oran ges out at the same time.

just my humble opinion!

little red


Thanks for your response. And is that to say you feel sex shouldnt be in a session because of religous belief?  Perhaps Im misunderstanding you.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/5/2006 12:12:56 PM   
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Sir,

It seems that you're lumping all those who call themselves Christians into one mold, one personality.  While there are many Christians who despise anything kinky or related to BDSM, there are many who don't.  While there are some who want to stuff the Bible down others' throats, there are many who don't.

i'm a Christian who is a male sub.  Because i am a sub, i've had some Christians ridicule and criticize me, and one even told me that i'm going to hell (because they believe the Bible teaches that the male should be dominant, which i disagree with).  i've participated on Christian BDSM message boards and non-Christian ones.  After years of keeping my submission to myself, i finally started to go to munches about 5 years ago and played at a BDSM club a number of times a couple years ago.  All that to say that i've learned a lot in the past several years and i'm familiar with the views of both non-Christians and Christians who are into BDSM.  In fact, i've found there are many in the lifestyle who are Christians but no one would expect it because they don't tell anyone.

As i've read in other messages in this thread, Christians who are into BDSM may have more limits, such as one person wrote that they didn't want to participate in sexual intercourse while being dominated.  But there are others that i've seen who are Christians who have very few or no limits.  i know that i suffered a whole lot more pain at the BDSM club than 90% of the subs who played in their dungeon.  Many who were regulars at that BDSM club knew that i was a Christian, including the wonderful domme that i played with (who also has an ad on collarme), and i appreciate the fact that they did not hold that against me.  As a result, i was able to relax and contribute to the club.

So i don't think that any group should be put into a box; every group has diversity.  Just because most members in a group believe a certain thing doesn't mean that all members believe it.  Probably most Christians would frown upon my acceptance and lifestyle of BDSM, but many do not.  In fact, i started a munch group for Christians in the Chicago area.  It has been very refreshing for us.  And i think acceptance and tolerance of people no matter what their religious background into the BDSM community is important.

alan

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/5/2006 12:21:05 PM   
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Someone wrote: "I tend to think that the Christian opposition to sex..."

i think this is a misconception.  Very few Christians opposes sex in and of itself.  Many believe it should be reserved for within the context of marriage, but very few "oppose" sex altogether.

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