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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/29/2006 7:47:15 PM

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ALAS MAVIS

So much disjointed logic all because two basic precepts are assumed, then combined to make a rule based on two erroneous "factoids"... the rule itself is damned.

1. BDSM always incorporates sex
2. Sex is bad
Therefore BDSM must be bad

your implied inference is ncorrect because your originial facoid is incorrect...not all BDSM is sexual....i have had more than 1 intereactions that were totally asexual....my mom could have been there and couldnt take out her old dusty bible and caught me on anything... IM not reliegios..but i have religious beliefs...my only major sticking point is those that refer to themselves or others as gods and goddesses
pffft. D.D folks ("Domestic Discipline") do tend to go with the Patriarchal view that the natural order is male Top/ female bottom, and some disavow any association with erotic pleasure in their disciplinary spankings, but some are active spanking enthusiasts in their own right. Personally, i love the dynamic that places the Dom in the position of being answerable to the higher power for His management of me, while i also retain responsibility to answer to either or both. i actually feel spiritually moved when my behavior is acceptable to my god, and my lead gets a pat on the head for it from His lead.. Maybe it's a chain of authority kink? lol..

i guess like... how one might feel if they did a good job on a work project, and their immediate supervisor got a promotion for having the foresight to choose a good project workers. Very cool IF you liked the supervisor.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/29/2006 8:12:14 PM

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Mavis and I didn't agree, but Mavis' opinions were fair and nothing like you state. Mavis was not dogmatic in any way.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/29/2006 8:13:20 PM

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I agree, and dsamethyst did a horrible job of distinguishing Mavis's comments from her own. You have to go back and reread what Mavis wrote to understand what is going on.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/29/2006 10:57:33 PM

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The best reference I have seen for Christians and BDSM.

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/gardenerchristianbdsm.htm

Mistress Ylwa

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 3:39:26 AM

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I'll have a look.. thanks Ylwa

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 3:44:33 AM

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Perhaps I should re-read over that Myself.. a better approach wouldve been to quote the paragraph as its easy to misconstrue out of context, especially online at times. Nonetheless, thanks for sharing dsamethyst

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 8:12:03 AM

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They also do for themselves instead of emulating Christ and looking to love others. This naturally messes things up royally.

As for Christianity and BDSM, Pup and I have been discussing this recently. There was a time when I fled the life because I could not reconsile it with what I believed. I have since begun to really examine things for myself, and I do think that a lot of BDSM practice can coincide with Christian faith. I used to be a Bible thumper and an arguer, but I learned better than that about nine years ago. Now I am busy seeking and learning, realizing that I am responsible only for myself. What you choose to do is your business. The sooner everyone, Christian and non-Christian alike, learn this, the better we'll all like each other.

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I agree with your view as well thanks for sharing your opinion. Also, when you say 'they' do you mean christians as a whole, the majority or just a select few? Just curious.... Adding also, Im glad you sorted out things within yourself.

A couple of sentences before you began your quote, I stated that 'they' was a general term and did not apply to all Christians. Not having made a detailed study, I couldn't tell you what percentage of those calling themselves Christian fit into my description. But personally, I think the number is unsettlingly high. I've found that somewhat disturbing and depressing at times, but... then I find that I must fall back to basics. I am responsible for myself and I cannot make someone else change. Further more, no one has the right to try and force someone else to change. That would be a very good lesson for everyone (including the government) to learn.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 9:12:09 AM

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mavis
So much disjointed logic all because two basic precepts are assumed, then combined to make a rule based on two erroneous "factoids"... the rule itself is damned.

1. BDSM always incorporates sex
2. Sex is bad
Therefore BDSM must be bad

quote:

dsamethyst
your implied inference is ncorrect because your originial facoid is incorrect...not all BDSM is sexual....i have had more than 1 intereactions that were totally asexual....my mom could have been there and couldnt take out her old dusty bible and caught me on anything... IM not reliegios..but i have religious beliefs...my only major sticking point is those that refer to themselves or others as gods and goddesses

quote:

mavis
pffft. D.D folks ("Domestic Discipline") do tend to go with the Patriarchal view that the natural order is male Top/ female bottom, and some disavow any association with erotic pleasure in their disciplinary spankings, but some are active spanking enthusiasts in their own right. Personally, i love the dynamic that places the Dom in the position of being answerable to the higher power for His management of me, while i also retain responsibility to answer to either or both. i actually feel spiritually moved when my behavior is acceptable to my god, and my lead gets a pat on the head for it from His lead.. Maybe it's a chain of authority kink? lol..

i guess like... how one might feel if they did a good job on a work project, and their immediate supervisor got a promotion for having the foresight to choose a good project workers. Very cool IF you liked the supervisor.

yes dasmethyst, you did find what was wrong, that's exactly what i was saying, that it's a fallacy that BDSM always includes sex, and also a fallacy that sex is bad.

i've re-quoted here so re-reading of the originals doesn't take page-flipping back and forth. :)

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 9:14:54 AM

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Ok, thisis why i mix BDSM and faith. After a weekend pretty much away, coming back Monday to see what i glossed over in quickie peeking.. i am praying to be beat!

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 3:00:05 PM

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Ok, thisis why i mix BDSM and faith. After a weekend pretty much away, coming back Monday to see what i glossed over in quickie peeking.. i am praying to be beat!

I'll pray for you My child

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 4:16:02 PM

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Try being a femdom and a Christian at the same time...it is very amusing and it sends me to the bible over and over again to find the passages showing females have the right to be dominant....

Damn Vampyre

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 4:33:30 PM

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I'll pray for you My child

lol. ::; runs to make the appropriate sacrifices, which i hear are white hamsters this week :::

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/30/2006 4:34:17 PM

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Try being a femdom and a Christian at the same time...it is very amusing and it sends me to the bible over and over again to find the passages showing females have the right to be dominant....

Damn Vampyre

I don't understand this idea.

I am a Christian.

I am a female dominant and sadist.

It has never occurred to me that there was any conflict.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 8:15:35 AM

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No thanks, Im quite content being a Male Dom. IMO, irregardless of gender or religion it takes work on both sexes to be worth theyre salt as a good Dominant. I apply that philosophy to submissives and slaves also. Thanks for your response.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 11:19:33 AM

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lod and master how do i fix that mess that i made ??? i wsa trying to make the distinction but as you said...i did a crummy job of distinguishing the two

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 11:27:03 AM

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LOL I never though of it but always assumed that everyone in a good christian relationship understood it was D/s and thus considered "KINKY" by the PC.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 12:11:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

Try being a femdom and a Christian at the same time...it is very amusing and it sends me to the bible over and over again to find the passages showing females have the right to be dominant....

Damn Vampyre

I don't understand this idea.

I am a Christian.

I am a female dominant and sadist.

It has never occurred to me that there was any conflict.

Now THAT is a wonderful thing.....
I was only speaking biblically (sp?) From a moral standpoint, I have no conflicts either.

Damn Vampyre

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 6:33:45 PM

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yes dasmethyst, you did find what was wrong, that's exactly what i was saying, that it's a fallacy that BDSM always includes sex, and also a fallacy that sex is bad.

I have an issue with this statement.

BDSM does not always involve sexual intercourse. However, the emotional energy is closely aligned with the sex drive, from what I understand. I tend to think that the Christian opposition to sex is really an attempt by a religion to snuff out a biological imperative which they cannot control.

So the statement that BDSM is not about sex is something I think is incorrect.

As incorrect as the statement that BDSM involves sexual intercourse.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 8:04:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

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ORIGINAL: PsyVamp

Try being a femdom and a Christian at the same time...it is very amusing and it sends me to the bible over and over again to find the passages showing females have the right to be dominant....

Damn Vampyre

I don't understand this idea.

I am a Christian.

I am a female dominant and sadist.

It has never occurred to me that there was any conflict.

Now THAT is a wonderful thing.....
I was only speaking biblically (sp?) From a moral standpoint, I have no conflicts either.

Damn Vampyre

I wasn't raised to view the Bible as Christianity but the life of Christ as Christianity's model.

Jesus says very little about sex or sexuality. Primarily he focuses on living a good life with hypocrisy and loving god and other human beings as much if not more than yourself.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 10/31/2006 8:40:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressYlwa

The best reference I have seen for Christians and BDSM.

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/gardenerchristianbdsm.htm

Mistress Ylwa

Thank you...

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