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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 8:53:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Ignorance is bliss.


A facile, patronizing answer.

FirmKY


Perhaps. But a damn funny one-liner.


True. 

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 8:57:47 PM   
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If it were not for the workers of the world....fat conservatives couldn't sit in their air conditioned offices,popping viagra, and smoking cigars...dreaming about their new BMWs.



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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:02:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Remember buddy, I am a Henry Clay guy


And I never would use an example of Bill Clinton signing welfare reform for anything, but it does beg the question how his signing it makes any conservative happier, dontcha think?  


Ron,

Sorry if I sounded harsh.  I apologize for that.  It wasn't my intent.

My intent was to show that political figures often say and do things that are counter to what they would absolutely prefer to do, but they do what they have to do in order to get anything done.

Lincoln was all over the map in some of his official actions. As a lawyer, he actually defended a case that almost extended slavery into all the free states, but his personal beliefs were always that slavery was wrong.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a very hot potato, and the compromise that he had to make to get it accepted at all, was to initially restrict it to just the rebellious states.

Just like Clinton would have preferred a much different Welfare Reform Act, but had to deal with a Republican Congress.  He took what he could.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:09:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

If it were not for the workers of the world....fat conservatives couldn't sit in their air conditioned offices,popping viagra, and smoking cigars...dreaming about their new BMWs.



Alternate:

If it were not for the capitalist of the world ... lazy liberals couldn't sit in their air conditioned homes, popping vigara, and smoking weed ... dreaming about their new Hybrid cars.

Just saying ....

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:12:45 PM   
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Wrong.

Liberals tend to be the hardest working...and most shit on segment of society...always has been.


The Torries in England were the exact same way as Neo-cons are today...all for ourselves and the hell with everyone else.

Only the mafia could do better.


....and i don't consider myself liberal or conservative.

The constitution is what matters...which BOTH parties are dismantling.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:19:16 PM   
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shtrbg, I wouldn't call Bush a "conservative" would you?
Oh, also long term marijuana use is known to cause depression in those who use it.


I dont know about depression, since the post synaptic phase of a neural connection tends to run on endogenous cannibanoids, which THC hijacks the nerve channgel.  Research is ongoing in using THC to treat depression, PTSD, etc., in most educated countries on the planet.

If you would be so kind as to offer up the research that suggests marijuana causes depression, I would be fascinated by it.  The statement by itself sounds like something from the movie Reefer Madness.

On the other hand, I realized that being a stoned surf dweeb would make me grow up to spend my life smoking dope, glassing surf boards, and talking with a slow and idiotic drawl.

At least I would be happy, though.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:20:09 PM   
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Calling someone a hypocrite, especially without specific proof, or labelling an individual who isn't a public figure as such, I would consider both a personal attack (ad hominem) and a violation of CollarMe's TOS.



What the fuck does whether someone is a public figure have to do with it?

And for Christ's sake: ad hominem refers to an informal logical fallacy in which an attempt is made to disqualify an argument by besmirching the credibility of the person making it, or someone else named or referred to in the justification of that argument.

In an ad hominem, the attack is not personal. The attack is on an argument, not a person. Any insult to a person is instrumental to the attack, not the point of the attack.

Calling a personal attack an ad hominem is like calling a knife a stabbing. It is a category error.

I'm not sure what throwing-around-inapt-Latin-terms-to-no-good-effect is called, but I think it rhymes with kattywampus.

I didn't see anyone saying that you're wrong because you're a dickhead, Firmhand&KY. That would have been an ad hominem move. Insofar as anyone expressly or implicitly made both claims it seems to me that they were made in parallel.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:23:09 PM   
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To the opening post

What I found extremely interesting is that the independents are the least happy

We could do further research and find out who are the most intelligent people, indes, democrats, or republicans.. perhaps it is that sense of belonging to something that makes people happy, who the hell knows.

I consider myself an independent, and I would say the reason why we are the least happy campers out there is that we tend to question authority, are not pack animals, and tend to view organized groups with suspicion perhaps? We  will not easily drink the Kool Aid (or Flavor Aid). We believe both sides are full of bullshit and corrupt? I would have to see the reasons for the "unhappiness" to know. I do not view this as a left v right paradigm. I view this as being a joiner thing, unless one would state that only liberals are independent.. which my rational thinking points to being false.

Why are independents so unahppy should be the name of this thread, but that is just my opinion... and I am very curious as to the answer. I am not too upset that my demographic is the "least happy" because frankly I have not thought life was just about being "happy" for many many years... if it was about that I would find that extremely disappointing and unchallenging personally. I want peace, contentment, and a certain level of happiness... but would I classify my life as "very happy", no I would not.. I would say I have a lot of peace of mind though, and that is more important in the long run than how "happy" I am, which is dependent on things that "happen" around me.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:27:57 PM   
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This thread was great, right up until someone slammed BMW drivers. I can see at least 325csi reasons why that's a violation of the TOS.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:28:38 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.

1. Everything the human race does is derived from competition. When we play, when we sleep, when we wake, when we relax, when we eat, when we choose our mates, when we raise our children.. everything. Theists go to church and belief in afterlives to compete against the inevitability of death. When we relax, we pit one experience against another to create a more enjoyable atmosphere. Esepcially when we debate ideas. When we eat, we compete against the life that we ingest for out own nutritional needs - the competition doesn't dissolve merely because modern convenience has made it a competely one-sided struggle.

2. When people compare the value of two similar items, there are only three possibilities: A is greater than B, A is equal to B, or A is less than B.

3. Look at the issues that conservatives latch onto: Anti-gay marriage. Anti-gun laws. Pro-military. Pro-corporation. Anti-corporate legisation. Anti-taxes. Anti-welfare. Anti-separation between church and state. Anti-free speech. Anti-social security. Anti-civil liberities for women and black people (1900 - 1950's). Anti-abortion.

Anything that levels the playing field on a social, economic, physical, political, or spiritual manner, the conservatives, in one form or another will rally against it. What are their arguments against it? Only the most superficial responses, of course: my skin is whiter, i'm straight behind closed doors, my invisible supreme boogeyman says thats wrong, I have a penis and you dont, I'm richer than you or I have more stuff than you do, I have a last name with a longer history than you do, because I'm not like them and they say its good. On and on and on. The pattern is unmistakeable. The question remains why?

Since legislation like this would only serve to "equate A to B" and conservatives don't want that, they must either want to be greater to their opposition or less than their opposition. Since conservatives never admit to saying they are less than other people, holding other philosophies, then they must, by elimination, think they are superior to other people by default.

Conservatives are so consumed with being thought of and seen as superior that they strive against any legislation that merely equates them to anyone else. Oh the focus and the methods may differ from conservative to conservative, but they all follow the same pattern in one way or the other. I don't know what that says to you, but it sounds like classic Superiority Complex to me.

Now mind you, a lot of conservatives when faced with this will automatically go into "Oh, but that's not me, those are hardcore conservatives. I'm a mainstream conservative." In affect, they do the exact same thing over again with other conservatives. I'm group A, I'm better than group B, by default.

That is why conservatives seem so happy to themselves. They merely suffer from Superiority Complex and believe they are above the "petty" difficulties of everyone else.



It  seems you feel liberalism is superior to conservativism.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:37:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Ignorance is bliss.


And subtle too, to stay under the funny radar for six pages.

A facile, patronizing answer.

FirmKY


Perhaps. But a damn funny one-liner.


True. 



And subtle too apparently, staying under the humour radar for six pages.

Edited to add: For the benefit of those who suffer from Irony Deficiency, this sarcasm is not aimed at LaM even thought he beat me to the punch with the bliss line to begin with.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:37:39 PM   
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This thread was great, right up until someone slammed BMW drivers. I can see at least 325csi reasons why that's a violation of the TOS.


Hmmmm



WHY is it...(by my own observations and travel to various cities around the USA for my job) do peoplee who are IN CHARGE of workers and make 150% more than they do choose top of the line (not used) BMWs?

I think I'm right..and you are wrong Caitlyn. Ive met these people and they are the most arrogant, pompus * holes Ive ever come to have to do business with.

..and most of them think "Dubya" is the best President weve ever had.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:42:19 PM   
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WHY is it...(by my own observations and travel to various cities around the USA for my job) do peoplee who are IN CHARGE of workers and make 150% more than they do choose top of the line (not used) BMWs?

I think I'm right..and you are wrong Caitlyn. Ive met these people and they are the most arrogant, pompus * holes Ive ever come to have to do business with.

..and most of them think "Dubya" is the best President weve ever had.


And several of them, by some accounts, are rather quick to generalize, too!


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:44:37 PM   
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.and most of them think "Dubya" is the best President weve ever had.



If this were correct, all the nitwits in Orange County who voted for him in 2004 would not have scraped off their W2004 bumper sticker off their BMW a year or so ago.

Now there is a race to distance themselves from the carnage.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:46:33 PM   
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Thus far..I have met one CO who is also a crotchety old colonel..who told me.."politics"?...all those bums belong at leavenworth."They are traitors"

I swear..I laughed my ass off..right on the spot

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:48:31 PM   
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You met Ross Perot? (just adding some levity)

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:52:06 PM   
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This thread was great, right up until someone slammed BMW drivers. I can see at least 325csi reasons why that's a violation of the TOS.

LOL

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:52:56 PM   
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I don't know about right or wrong ... I got my cute little BMW as a graduation gift. I hope I'm not arogant or pompus, but will have to admit that I'm badly spoiled. OR ... the whole thread was just a joke.
 
Funny, true story (at least I thought it was funny at the time) ... I was standing in line at a Starbucks about a year ago, in front of two middle aged business executive types. One had this completely worried look on his face as they were having a conversation. Finally the other guy asked him something like, "Is something bothering you? You seem upset."
 
Without blinking an eyelash, this poor worried guy looks at the other with a huge look of concern, and says very loudly, "I'm just very worried about the leather in the M5. It just doesn't seem soft enough."
 
I think I swallowed my gum.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:54:46 PM   
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Wow....and i thought i was vain.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 9:56:32 PM   
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Nice to see the hillbillies are gonna have someone else to kick around for a while.

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I didn't see anyone saying that you're wrong because you're a dickhead, Firmhand&KY. That would have been an ad hominem move. Insofar as anyone expressly or implicitly made both claims it seems to me that they were made in parallel.

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