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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:22:11 PM   
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"A facile, patronizing answer." firmhandky

"It's the people on any part of the political spectrum who try to use "sound bite" answers to disagreements that aren't all that helpful." firmhandky

....once again.....pot, kettle, black......... 

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:31:19 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.

1. Everything the human race does is derived from competition. When we play, when we sleep, when we wake, when we relax, when we eat, when we choose our mates, when we raise our children.. everything. Theists go to church and belief in afterlives to compete against the inevitability of death. When we relax, we pit one experience against another to create a more enjoyable atmosphere. Esepcially when we debate ideas. When we eat, we compete against the life that we ingest for out own nutritional needs - the competition doesn't dissolve merely because modern convenience has made it a competely one-sided struggle.

2. When people compare the value of two similar items, there are only three possibilities: A is greater than B, A is equal to B, or A is less than B.

3. Look at the issues that conservatives latch onto: Anti-gay marriage. Anti-gun laws. Pro-military. Pro-corporation. Anti-corporate legisation. Anti-taxes. Anti-welfare. Anti-separation between church and state. Anti-free speech. Anti-social security. Anti-civil liberities for women and black people (1900 - 1950's). Anti-abortion.

Anything that levels the playing field on a social, economic, physical, political, or spiritual manner, the conservatives, in one form or another will rally against it. What are their arguments against it? Only the most superficial responses, of course: my skin is whiter, i'm straight behind closed doors, my invisible supreme boogeyman says thats wrong, I have a penis and you dont, I'm richer than you or I have more stuff than you do, I have a last name with a longer history than you do, because I'm not like them and they say its good. On and on and on. The pattern is unmistakeable. The question remains why?

Since legislation like this would only serve to "equate A to B" and conservatives don't want that, they must either want to be greater to their opposition or less than their opposition. Since conservatives never admit to saying they are less than other people, holding other philosophies, then they must, by elimination, think they are superior to other people by default.

Conservatives are so consumed with being thought of and seen as superior that they strive against any legislation that merely equates them to anyone else. Oh the focus and the methods may differ from conservative to conservative, but they all follow the same pattern in one way or the other. I don't know what that says to you, but it sounds like classic Superiority Complex to me.

Now mind you, a lot of conservatives when faced with this will automatically go into "Oh, but that's not me, those are hardcore conservatives. I'm a mainstream conservative." In affect, they do the exact same thing over again with other conservatives. I'm group A, I'm better than group B, by default.

That is why conservatives seem so happy to themselves. They merely suffer from Superiority Complex and believe they are above the "petty" difficulties of everyone else.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:34:11 PM   
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Hush now.  Pointing out the obvious will only make them cranky.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:39:15 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.



Zenrage, this is just as bad as "all blacks like watermelon", or "all women are whores", or "all hispanics are on welfare".

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:44:00 PM   
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Ignorance is bliss.

 
ditto


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:49:01 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.



Zenrage, this is just as bad as "all blacks like watermelon", or "all women are whores", or "all hispanics are on welfare".


Or all squares are rectangles? What bullshit. You are comparring genetic traits (race and gender) to philosophy - to which there is a common philosophical demoninator - which in this case happens to be psychologically based. Its no more unreasonable to say all Christians believe in Christ.

Find me a consistant exception to the rule and I will happily change it. Until then, my observation stands.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:53:39 PM   
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"A facile, patronizing answer." firmhandky

"It's the people on any part of the political spectrum who try to use "sound bite" answers to disagreements that aren't all that helpful." firmhandky

....once again.....pot, kettle, black......... 



Assuming, just for the sake of discussion, this is true .... how does it feel, to be on the receiving end for a change?

Now, not assuming for the sake of discussion ... mind showing me anywhere that I've made blanket statements like you are accusing me of making?

I double dare ya. 

No, wait ... you just sarcastically insinuate it.  Which allows you to maintain some sort of moral high ground, I'd assume?  And relieves you from the burden of actually proving what you say?

uh huh ...

Back to the original reason I posted to LaM in the first place ... do you not think his original comment was both facile and patronizing?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 4:57:52 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.



Zenrage, this is just as bad as "all blacks like watermelon", or "all women are whores", or "all hispanics are on welfare".


Or all squares are rectangles? What bullshit. You are comparring genetic traits (race and gender) to philosophy - to which there is a common philosophical demoninator - which in this case happens to be psychologically based. Its no more unreasonable to say all Christians believe in Christ.

Find me a consistant exception to the rule and I will happily change it. Until then, my observation stands.


What I'm doing is saying that blanket statements are a sign of ignorance, willful or not.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 5:04:09 PM   
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I really have to agree with Level.

This type of thinking is what I often run into in discussions with people who are on the "left" side of the political equation (although, occasionally I am surprised).

If  someone made such statements about any other group of people, you'd likely be screaming "racists!" to the top of your lungs - and rightfully so.

So why do you feel like it's ok to denigrate the beliefs and feelings of this specific group?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 5:08:02 PM   
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Zenrage, "anti civil liberties for women and black people 1900-1950's."
If you remember, the South was mostly Democrat during that time frame and one of the most senior Democrats currently in the Senate Robert "Sheets" Byrd was some kind of grand kliegel in the KKK I believe.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 5:31:56 PM   
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Zenrage, "anti civil liberties for women and black people 1900-1950's."
If you remember, the South was mostly Democrat during that time frame and one of the most senior Democrats currently in the Senate Robert "Sheets" Byrd was some kind of grand kliegel in the KKK I believe.


I didn't say Democrat/Republican. I was talking strictly about Conservatives. Up until the 1950's and 60's the Democrats were still mainly socially conservative while becoming more economically liberal since the 1930's.

It was classic liberalism that formed the Republican party back in the 1850's.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 5:35:29 PM   
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Ignorance is bliss.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 5:37:07 PM   
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Well, it's always been the party of Lincoln that's had the best record of civil rights for blacks and women.
Look at Clinton. Now there's a liberal that really "respects" women.

It's not that I'm all that "conservative" by any means (Just fiscally) I just don't want to be considered to be a "liberal."

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:04:37 PM   
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All conservativism is based in insecurity and a fear of inferiority. All conservatives, whether social, economic, political or spiritual, want to believe themselves as superior in all forms by default as if they were royalty or something.



Zenrage, this is just as bad as "all blacks like watermelon", or "all women are whores", or "all hispanics are on welfare".


Or all squares are rectangles? What bullshit. You are comparring genetic traits (race and gender) to philosophy - to which there is a common philosophical demoninator - which in this case happens to be psychologically based. Its no more unreasonable to say all Christians believe in Christ.

Find me a consistant exception to the rule and I will happily change it. Until then, my observation stands.


What I'm doing is saying that blanket statements are a sign of ignorance, willful or not.


You mean blanket statements like what you've just said about blanket statements?

Only irrational blanket statements without real evidence to support them are signs of ignorance. Also ignoring evidence is a sign of ignorance and that is what you are doing. You can't seem to fight the evidence I've collected so you've just decided to attack that I've come to a very reasonable conclustion based on that evidence.

Grow up.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:24:17 PM   
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Evidence??? You have no evidence, you just make overeaching statements. Grow up indeed.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:32:35 PM   
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Well, it's always been the party of Lincoln that's had the best record of civil rights for blacks and women.
Look at Clinton. Now there's a liberal that really "respects" women.

It's not that I'm all that "conservative" by any means (Just fiscally) I just don't want to be considered to be a "liberal."


The party maybe, but not neccesarily the people. Like I said, the demographics for each party shifted in the last century. Just because Bush hired a lot of minorities doesn't mean those specific individuals are doing a great job. Colin Powell couldn't wait to jump ship as I recall.

I believe his father was the one who put Clarence Thomas to the bench - who respected women even less than Clinton did. At least with Clinton, his indiscretions were consensual.



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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:35:34 PM   
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Evidence??? You have no evidence, you just make overeaching statements. Grow up indeed.


Go ahead. Close your eyes and ears and pretend you're not obsolete.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:38:08 PM   
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Now, why would I be "obsolete"?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:44:07 PM   
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Well, it's always been the party of Lincoln that's had the best record of civil rights for blacks and women.
Look at Clinton. Now there's a liberal that really "respects" women.

It's not that I'm all that "conservative" by any means (Just fiscally) I just don't want to be considered to be a "liberal."


The party maybe, but not neccesarily the people. Like I said, the demographics for each party shifted in the last century. Just because Bush hired a lot of minorities doesn't mean those specific individuals are doing a great job. Colin Powell couldn't wait to jump ship as I recall.

I believe his father was the one who put Clarence Thomas to the bench - who respected women even less than Clinton did. At least with Clinton, his indiscretions were consensual.




Zenrage, "consensual?"
I seem to remember an incident about a woman in a room at a Holiday Inn in Arkansas while Clinton was the Atty Gen there and another about why he didn't "finish" his scolarship ala Rhodes in Oxford England.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 6:48:02 PM   
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I would just like to point out to this house of cards that Lincoln built, that he was forced to sign the emancipation proclamation by centrist democrats.  He was personally and professionally  a Missouri compromiser. 


The much touted evolution of opinion was effected through the fact that in order to end the civil war he needed more and agreeable assistance from the leftist anti-slavery factions,  and indeed after many years of recalcitrance  and refusal, finally allowed  black people to join  union forces in other than the lowest support and supply postions, but certainly not at the measly payrate of a regular union soldier.

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