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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:02:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

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Or rather: I hope she doesn't present her way as the "best and truest" way in BDSM. That creepy "there is no such thing as abuse" thinking is what tends to scare people off and cause me to have to deal with "What, you are sick!" attitude.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:04:15 PM

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That recognition of each person's identity has no effect at all on the power arrangement between them.

Archer..
i have to say i agree there, tho would expect like i said if S/someone knew me they would call me by my name ~lil~ and it depends on how they say it. imo

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:06:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

Sighs... I know but getting some people to beleave this is a lession in futility!!!

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:09:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

Sighs... I know but getting some people to beleave this is a lession in futility!!!

Magik's slave

The thing that gets me is this: If they are truely a slave, then why did they have the right to choose their master? What would have happened if some pedophilic nutjob just "forced collared" them and started demanding they have sex with children? Would a slave with the mindset of "master can do no wrong" obey that? It seems to me that if you don't reserve the right to leave, then why you get to pick your master? Ugh... I'm probably being evil and should shut up. Sorry if I offend anyone.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:16:19 PM

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But if They were to expect some type of obedience or submission i would not comply.

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i find the general lack of protocol sad.

slavemaia..

thanks for your comments, it is exactly what i am getting at in regards to the expectation of submission.
i too am a firm believer in protocolls, and in giving respect regardless of who the P/person is be they in the lifestyle or in vanilla, is why i dont have a problem calling others Sir or Ma'am etc, unless they otherwise express a desire to be called by something else. its the expectation that gets my goat up.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:17:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

Sighs... I know but getting some people to beleave this is a lession in futility!!!

Magik's slave

The thing that gets me is this: If they are truely a slave, then why did they have the right to choose their master? What would have happened if some pedophilic nutjob just "forced collared" them and started demanding they have sex with children? Would a slave with the mindset of "master can do no wrong" obey that? It seems to me that if you don't reserve the right to leave, then why you get to pick your master? Ugh... I'm probably being evil and should shut up. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Trust me the same evil frustrated angry thoughts ran through my head!!! But I came to terms with the fact that all I was doing was upseting the poor girl as nothing I said was gunna change her views on things.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/20/2006 10:19:13 PM

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to A/all,
thank Y/you very much for Y/your opinions, where i would like to reply to all of them, i cant, but all opinions have been taken in consideration.. is good to see the different beliefs, opinions etc from Y/you A/all.
~~lil~~

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/21/2006 9:13:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

Sighs... I know but getting some people to beleave this is a lession in futility!!!

Magik's slave

The thing that gets me is this: If they are truely a slave, then why did they have the right to choose their master? What would have happened if some pedophilic nutjob just "forced collared" them and started demanding they have sex with children? Would a slave with the mindset of "master can do no wrong" obey that? It seems to me that if you don't reserve the right to leave, then why you get to pick your master? Ugh... I'm probably being evil and should shut up. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Trust me the same evil frustrated angry thoughts ran through my head!!! But I came to terms with the fact that all I was doing was upseting the poor girl as nothing I said was gunna change her views on things.

Magik's slave

I guess. I may post this as a thread somewhere. Because now it is pestering me.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/21/2006 11:22:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Here is the link to that thread Aquatic Hon.. interesting read.. you can see our difference in thinking.. I must say i dont know if I handled myself well a get a little to pationet about stiff like this but here you go

http://www.collarchat.com/m_631901/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

Magik's slave

Wow... just wow... I want to say many things and most of them are not nice. I am only going to say that I hope and pray she doesn't use herself as an example for those coming into the lifestyle. Abuse is not ok. Many people feel that the only right a slave retains is the one to leave. Any relationship that removes that right is not ok and I would have no problem reporting to the local authorities with or without the slave's consent.

Sighs... I know but getting some people to beleave this is a lession in futility!!!

Magik's slave

The thing that gets me is this: If they are truely a slave, then why did they have the right to choose their master? What would have happened if some pedophilic nutjob just "forced collared" them and started demanding they have sex with children? Would a slave with the mindset of "master can do no wrong" obey that? It seems to me that if you don't reserve the right to leave, then why you get to pick your master? Ugh... I'm probably being evil and should shut up. Sorry if I offend anyone.

Trust me the same evil frustrated angry thoughts ran through my head!!! But I came to terms with the fact that all I was doing was upseting the poor girl as nothing I said was gunna change her views on things.

Magik's slave

I guess. I may post this as a thread somewhere. Because now it is pestering me.

That sounds like a good idea.... though we may wind up with WW111 on our hands in way of debates!!!

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/21/2006 11:27:20 AM

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Folks, please trim your quotes. Thanks.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 6:35:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Archer

MajiksSlave,

Just wondering what is the idea behind the feeling of offense you would feel if I were to address you as "Good evening slave" (as a title form)with a repectfull nod passing in the dungeon? To me acknowledging the possition with respect, reguardless of what the possition might be is a acknowledgement of truth and in no way means "I'm better than you" or "I out rank you", it simply means I recognize you as a slave, girl, boy, chosen pronoun, and honor your choice.

and I am being honestly curious as to the why you would find it offensive?

Hi Archer,

While I know where your views come from, perhaps I can explain the opposite.

To many, d/s is a relational, and not a social, hierarchy. In this belief system, someone is not "a slave" - they are "X's slave" - and for anyone else to treat them as "a slave" - regardless of respect intended - would be inappropriate.

For instance, you know me as "Heather, Jeff's slave" (or whatever you call me when I'm not there, lol). But I'm not "slave Heather", no matter what your respect might be for me - I'm "Heather, Jeff's slave".

I'll never be "slave Heather", because I'm not "a slave whose name is Heather", I'm "Heather, who is Jeff's slave". I'd undersand your intent if you ever chose to address me in that way, but I'd politely ask you to not do so again.

Hope this helps?

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 6:39:50 PM

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That recognition of each person's identity has no effect at all on the power arrangement between them.

This is where many would have issue - because unless there *is* an authority arrangement between myself and the person addressing me, I'm just "Heather". Or perhaps "Heather, Jeff's slave". But not "slave", or "'a' slave".

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 6:47:37 PM

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AquaticSub...you're right, at least as far as status is concerned, the great majority of people are above me, D/s, bdsm, or vanilla. however, Daddy says i do rank somewhat higher than our cat Scooter. ;) for me, that is a comfort. i am proud to be a slave and especially proud to be HIS slave. but it's certainly not a path for everyone.

You *can't* rank higher than a cat - it's impossible!!

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 6:50:45 PM

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By the way, where do submissive women stand on the equal/superior thing? Because if you only consider slaves to be your equal, then a good percentage of BDSM are above you. I can't speak for every submissive but I don't care for being thought of a slave. It's just not what I am.

I don't believe that anyone is superior to me overall - not even Sir.

Sir is my superior in *rank*, and outclasses me in some skills, etc. He's a much better rope top than I am, for instance. I outclass him in others - I'm better at caning (keeping this in BDSM - we outclass one another in other things, too).

But no one is superior to me, in general.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 7:24:36 PM

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By the way, where do submissive women stand on the equal/superior thing? Because if you only consider slaves to be your equal, then a good percentage of BDSM are above you. I can't speak for every submissive but I don't care for being thought of a slave. It's just not what I am.

I don't believe that anyone is superior to me overall - not even Sir.

Sir is my superior in *rank*, and outclasses me in some skills, etc. He's a much better rope top than I am, for instance. I outclass him in others - I'm better at caning (keeping this in BDSM - we outclass one another in other things, too).

But no one is superior to me, in general.

This was directed to a specific person but I don't think any of us are above another. My dominant owns me completely. I am his. That doesn't make him better then me. Though he definately makes dirty rice better! Yummy!

I feel that I submit because it satisfies a need I have. I long to serve him and to please him. I do not know how much this applies to everyone else.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 7:32:39 PM

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I guess I have trouble with the idea, is all. I just can't get away from the idea of a slave is a slave regardless of who owns them, same as a dog is a dog regardless of who owns them, or a car is a car regardless of who owns it. Just because it is Jacks car does not make it something else, other than not my car, LOL.

Now certainly as I have said I am happy to address anyone, top bottom switch, in most any format they wish. And as Impgrrl can tell you I am polite and respectful to a fault, RT. I simply have taken the other route here, in order to prevent unwanted attention and to ensure a level of respect for themselves or their slaves some have taken to the "relational label", I have taken to the simply having and showing a great deal of respect for slaves.

Just a different way of solving the same core problem.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 8:52:41 PM

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I guess I have trouble with the idea, is all. I just can't get away from the idea of a slave is a slave regardless of who owns them, same as a dog is a dog regardless of who owns them, or a car is a car regardless of who owns it. Just because it is Jacks car does not make it something else, other than not my car, LOL

I don't think the problem is that you can't get past "a slave is a slave."

I think the problem is "I will interact with slaves differently than I interact with other anyone else."

And that's as bad as treating someone differently just because they are black. You don't have to get past them being black, you have to get past thinking you should treat them differently because they are black.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 9:05:29 PM

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I guess I have trouble with the idea, is all. I just can't get away from the idea of a slave is a slave regardless of who owns them, same as a dog is a dog regardless of who owns them, or a car is a car regardless of who owns it. Just because it is Jacks car does not make it something else, other than not my car, LOL

I don't think the problem is that you can't get past "a slave is a slave."

I think the problem is "I will interact with slaves differently than I interact with other anyone else."

And that's as bad as treating someone differently just because they are black. You don't have to get past them being black, you have to get past thinking you should treat them differently because they are black.

And you think wrongly! The only time Master Archer interacts differently with slaves than with others is when the Master or the Master's slave requests or infers that such interaction is desired.

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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 10:05:58 PM

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I have one Master,and I do what He says.
I think you should ask your Master what he wants you to do.

I agree with this, as it has been pointed out, it varies from Master to Master as to how they wish their subs/slaves to interact with others. For instance, I would be punished were I to address ANY other as Master, this is HIS instruction and I would never deviate from it because someone else feels like because he is Dominate all others should call him Lord and Master ( or Mistress etc. etc.) I also do not randomly use the term Sir, in r/l if I adress someone as Sir it is because they have earned my respect and I have asked for and recived from Master the permission to do so. I try to speak respectfully, and I use the manners my Mother taught me, unless and until I am given a reason to not do so. No one other then your own Master should have any expectations on your submission or your behavior.
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RE: belong to One not all - 11/26/2006 11:08:14 PM

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I have yet to discuss it with my Master, we are so newly together. I feel he would agree that I be respectful with those deserving of respect and ignore others. Or block them. As far as any physical confrontation, I would defnittly tell any person off and possibly kick someone in the shins if they try to do anything. The thumb is the most vulnerable part of the hand.

I am not shy of defending nyself I have done it several times. I have been hassaled at work, at play, and on dates I can and will defend myself and others that I care for verbally and physically.

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