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ORIGINAL: Kalira

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... but can all those interested do it on some other thread?

Believe me Lotus, when I make an ass of myself, it is brought to my attention very quickly  Something that I really do not mind.

If superslavetrainer is taking offense...well, then...it is obviously in the wrong place.

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I find the block button very helpful

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

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I find the block button very helpful

and you are entitled to use it as your whim passes

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I shall.  Let's see.. Kalira's delete button.. THERE it is.  Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.  
 
(you may want to read how to start your own theads for the future..It's very easy.  Geeee..then maybe I can dump on yours~)

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

See this was a nice post.  It is ok to question me, im questioned all the time.  That dont bother me. Its not that you question but how you question. I didnt come to these boards with a post saying " who is going to be my slave tonight?" i replied to a topic and gave my opinion on that topic. this right their should of told you before we start pointing our flamethrowers at him we should read a few more of his post .

Most people can decide if they like  or dislike someone  by  taking in their replies on topics, in real life or online. i wasnt given that chance i made one post with an at least semi reasonable opinion that disrespected no one and i was immidately decided  to be a lier, fraud and everything else  and i needed to give proof i wasnt. My experience to some may seem impossible.. then again i thought to swallow a 21" sword and not seriously injure yourself was impossible too until i saw it was possible. I can think of many things in the lifestyle( the whole lifestyle  when i was  teen surprised me as i though theirs no way people do those things and are like that)  that i thought were impossible and someone at one point or another showed me different.

The reference to the bible is touchy subject however it is one that most everyone understands, so to get everyone on the same level i had to use it.

It seems alot of people here are wrapped up in facts. as if they are trying to define their way of life based on what someone else has wrote( which by all means is fine the Goreans do it all the time)  but dont try to impose your beliefs based on what you give credit too as that by "experts" and everything else is wrong. it may be wrong  to you but its not to me..i think living your life "by the book" and thats any book is wrong, but thats my opinion and if anyone  feels the need /desire to live that way, more power to them.

I agree if a general majority agree on a topic( those  in the majority being  people who have been actively involved with said subject for a lengthy amount of time, i will refrain from calling them experts at this point as i do not believe they are)  then it pretty much is agreed on to be fact for that subject/topic. However, In bdsm  getting anyone group to agree with any other group all  being part of the same community, to agree on anything is highly unlikely. Opinions are to diverse. Ive actually sat throught lengthy discussions( but did not actively particpate)   of people debating the meaning of each letter in BDSM. and  none of the sides could neither prove they was right or the other side was wrong.

I just was in a discussion last week about  the defination of master and how it was intended, implied, used, and misused. everyone had an opinion no one had facts. BDSM is so diverse and has so many interuptations and so many different opinions  you cant really  make a decent book of facts about it unless it involves historic facts.  and the diversatity of BDSM is  one thing that makes it appealing to newcomers ( IMO) Those taboo  things people fantasize about  they can pretty much do here. and again IMO they dont have to be a Dom/sub to enjoy those freedoms that come with this lifestyle. they can "play" in it, discuss it with others that have done or want to do it, or simply ask about it and no one is going to think they are weird insane strange or belong in a nuthouse. BDSM needs that appeal of openess and welcome all. Not  judgements and criticism and discrediations and disrespect.

Those who been on CM a while and have 6 million post. newcomers look at that. they look at how you act, how you talk to them , how you treat people.  they have other way offhand to tell who new and who has been around awhile. and TBH in general those are the same exact people that start the flames and not just on me. ive seen it on quite a few others that were new to these boards. If i wasnt use to flamers and i didnt have the experience  i have in this lifestyle, you would of scared the hell out of me. i would of left and never came back. Imagine how many inexperienced doms and subs havent even posted and seen some of the flames at newcomers on here and tucked tail and ran like hell .

This is an overwhelming lifestyle when your new to it. it seems as vast as the universe which is damn scary in itself.  you feel like columbus discovering america and the first thing they see is guns pointed and every newcomers head. This is what makes me feel ashamed. Dom or not if your new it can be pretty scary especially with people with thosands of post counts flaming at you. How many people read the boards felt overwhelmed and never came back? how many of those people that were drove off before they could prove they wasnt here for an e-lay?What are they doing now? are they attempting to whip some girl with a cat whip?are they  trying to dom vanillas and becoming overly agressive through frustation at not know why this isnt working?

I was a noob once to this lifestyle and thank god i had subs and Doms both that were patient enough with me to answer my neverending stupid questions( especially the ones about" what does that mean?") i am alot more experienced now. i have Dom/sub relationships under my belt. Ive learned to manage more than one girl at a time( and those girls have the understanding their will be other other girls or that possiblity)  though i cant managed two "serious" relationships at the same time( though ive tried and it didnt work to well, needing more practice im guessing) Ive done alot of chatting and reading online as well and tried to take in( but fail to remember) everyones points of views.

I think of myself as a trainer and teacher. I think i have  enough experience to  at least give the noobs a start and direction to go in instead of wondering around this realm lost.  This is why i classify myself as a trainer.i dont classifiy myself as an expert in anything regarding BDSM ( though it may say so on my profile  on  things i really love just because i love and spend alot of time in that area). I want to return the courtesy and patiences shown to me by my former " trainers" who helped to make all this lifestyle has to offer not so damn overwhelming.

The slave part of the my name of course means i want to train /teach subs. I do help doms, if i can, with questions, but nowhere near to the extent of  subs. I think a well versed sub would do a better job at teaching a dom about this lifestyle and vice versa but thats my opinion.

I would of gladly told  everyone here this had i been asked in a polite way instead of instantly accused  of being a criminal looking for my next victim.

I would like to see some  the extremely active posters be more newcomer friendly.. or at least quit trying to scare them off.  Im sure everyone reading this has had help from someone along the way, How about "paying forward" that  favor someone did you when you was a noob to BDSM.  Instead of trying to scare the living daylights out of everyone . In the least, at least leave the noobs alone for a while and let them at least prove they are sincere before you go circling them.

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Have you thought about furthering your own training?

  i dont think about it i do it everyday, or try to. Im human, i make mistakes, i try to learn from them and not repeat them. I figure when i can go an indefinate amount of time  without making a single mistake i will be both perfect and Master.Until then i cannot claim to be either.

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

FFS, does anyone that writes to me know reading comprehension?

"Do you know grammer and proper word usage?", is also a good question to scream while you are ranting to the gods of cyber  ;)

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you know ive been on boards with people that are 10 and 12 years old ( not an adult board obvisiously) that take less things out of context.

SEE!
 
You (too) judge others and, rather critically (albeit ineffectively) as well!

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what i stated concerning the history of BDSM i clearly stated  as  my opinion.  it was my view of the history of bdsm.  actually it was my opinion of how master/slave became so commonly misused. NOT how it came to be used.

Say what you like - but, a misrepresentation of history is not exactly something which can be colored as opinion - it is either 'right' or it is 'wrong'

And, yes - there are means by which opinion can color it... but, those are minor -and, not the major imaginings of entire sections of it.

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i have the following incorrect
1)  you never judge another person
2)  you show common respect( this would be respect you show to the average person  you see everyday)

so by your standards im incorrect and the person who  taught me the above the values( NOT FACTS) is also incorrect.

Seperate issues entirely... but, nice try at muddying the waters...
 
You made statements about BDSM history.. and, in your last posting you made the statement about 'judging others' - seperate times and seperate instances.
 
You stated that no one could (or, should) "judge you" and that it was frowned upon in BDSM when "you were taught it".
 
I pointed out that you were full of horse hockey and that the edict was "do not judge another's kink"
 
But, your's is a common misconception among people on line.

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Humans judge as instinct: judging it what helps us formulate our opinions about something. this again would be taken as the way you wanted. hasnt your mother or father or some adult when you was younger  told you " you shouldnt judge people" this  is the same context  im using it in.  you dont know me well enough to "judge me accurately" or form an accurate opinion of me. ( also know as an impression.) i am judged on my name or profile, which is only  very small idea of who i am or might be. however i was judged on this  profile and name and it was decided that i was needed to validate myself and my ablitles to people who are interested in neither.

My parents never told me that. In fact they encouraged me to question others when they said something which is rather - well - "fabricated"... they are good people and did not want their little boy to be seen as a fool to everyone with a shiney story and a lollypop.

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- you ASSUME im fibbing, lying or making false claims.. so back up your claim that im lying. i can prove and have stated that i can prove  who i am, what i do and the people that experience said relations with me ..  were satsified with my abilities, and sincereness.
What i stated as part of my lil resume post and as a clarification  to celeste of my resume post  was fact that i can back up.  my question is can you or anyone else on this board back up  your assumation  or rovers that i am lying? I also implied i wasnt posting said references   or in anyway making them available to every tom dick and mary that wanted to call me on them.

Then prove it - until you actually do prove your specious allegations you may weedle about all you desire to no result.

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your right i dont but since this is the continued path a few would like to take this thread, i dont at all mind responding.  this in the very least spurs creative thinking. Though it is disrespectful to the OPs.but to hell with respect right?

Hey - you are the one who started posting about your 'grand self'... rather hypocritical of you.

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I gave my opinion/view and this is yours. from my point of view it has from yours it hasnt.. are we going to play these kiddy games all night?

I refer to them as "on line games" - as I know I would never run into you off line.

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i was respectful until i was disrespected for unwarranted  and invalid reasons( IMO) and i remain respectful to those that show the same common respect towards me.  everyone else can join my 3rd grade class following me around like a bunch of puppies.

I am having fun actually... if it were not that your claims were so outrageous, I would not be here talking to you.
 
I canot speak for the others, but YOU are a magnet for this puppy!

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  Interesting how in part of your post you state  my 130 slaves ( which means you read the whole resume post) yet you only speak of my online experience, this would be commonly be taken as an insult.. but i can only laugh and tell you join the rest of my 3rd graders. btw ill need your resume that qualifies you to validate me, my experience, or my history on my desk my 3 pm.

I did not read it - but, what would it matter if I 'did' or 'did not'? And, I am not "validating you"..LOL... you invalidated yourself with the assertions..

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this was an ill attempt( im going to take it that way but this may not be how you attended.) and making a crack about me using validate in my post, as it is most commonly associated with one parking their  automobile... or having someone else do it for them instead.

I told the other third graders you were not dense! You can read and everything! 

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You know the10-50 year olds on the RPG forums that are flamers are MUCH better at this than the flamers here.

They probably believe your stories too. After all - having that much experienc at RPGs really prepares one for training slaves and speaking to the adults
 
Good talking to you... say hello to Spock for me.

~J

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

See this was a nice post.  It is ok to question me, im questioned all the time.  That dont bother me. Its not that you question but how you question. I didnt come to these boards with a post saying " who is going to be my slave tonight?" i replied to a topic and gave my opinion on that topic. this right their should of told you before we start pointing our flamethrowers at him we should read a few more of his post .

Most people can decide if they like  or dislike someone  by  taking in their replies on topics, in real life or online. i wasnt given that chance i made one post with an at least semi reasonable opinion that disrespected no one and i was immidately decided  to be a lier, fraud and everything else  and i needed to give proof i wasnt. My experience to some may seem impossible.. then again i thought to swallow a 21" sword and not seriously injure yourself was impossible too until i saw it was possible. I can think of many things in the lifestyle( the whole lifestyle  when i was  teen surprised me as i though theirs no way people do those things and are like that)  that i thought were impossible and someone at one point or another showed me different.

The reference to the bible is touchy subject however it is one that most everyone understands, so to get everyone on the same level i had to use it.

It seems alot of people here are wrapped up in facts. as if they are trying to define their way of life based on what someone else has wrote( which by all means is fine the Goreans do it all the time)  but dont try to impose your beliefs based on what you give credit too as that by "experts" and everything else is wrong. it may be wrong  to you but its not to me..i think living your life "by the book" and thats any book is wrong, but thats my opinion and if anyone  feels the need /desire to live that way, more power to them.

I agree if a general majority agree on a topic( those  in the majority being  people who have been actively involved with said subject for a lengthy amount of time, i will refrain from calling them experts at this point as i do not believe they are)  then it pretty much is agreed on to be fact for that subject/topic. However, In bdsm  getting anyone group to agree with any other group all  being part of the same community, to agree on anything is highly unlikely. Opinions are to diverse. Ive actually sat throught lengthy discussions( but did not actively particpate)   of people debating the meaning of each letter in BDSM. and  none of the sides could neither prove they was right or the other side was wrong.

I just was in a discussion last week about  the defination of master and how it was intended, implied, used, and misused. everyone had an opinion no one had facts. BDSM is so diverse and has so many interuptations and so many different opinions  you cant really  make a decent book of facts about it unless it involves historic facts.  and the diversatity of BDSM is  one thing that makes it appealing to newcomers ( IMO) Those taboo  things people fantasize about  they can pretty much do here. and again IMO they dont have to be a Dom/sub to enjoy those freedoms that come with this lifestyle. they can "play" in it, discuss it with others that have done or want to do it, or simply ask about it and no one is going to think they are weird insane strange or belong in a nuthouse. BDSM needs that appeal of openess and welcome all. Not  judgements and criticism and discrediations and disrespect.

Those who been on CM a while and have 6 million post. newcomers look at that. they look at how you act, how you talk to them , how you treat people.  they have other way offhand to tell who new and who has been around awhile. and TBH in general those are the same exact people that start the flames and not just on me. ive seen it on quite a few others that were new to these boards. If i wasnt use to flamers and i didnt have the experience  i have in this lifestyle, you would of scared the hell out of me. i would of left and never came back. Imagine how many inexperienced doms and subs havent even posted and seen some of the flames at newcomers on here and tucked tail and ran like hell .

This is an overwhelming lifestyle when your new to it. it seems as vast as the universe which is damn scary in itself.  you feel like columbus discovering america and the first thing they see is guns pointed and every newcomers head. This is what makes me feel ashamed. Dom or not if your new it can be pretty scary especially with people with thosands of post counts flaming at you. How many people read the boards felt overwhelmed and never came back? how many of those people that were drove off before they could prove they wasnt here for an e-lay?What are they doing now? are they attempting to whip some girl with a cat whip?are they  trying to dom vanillas and becoming overly agressive through frustation at not know why this isnt working?

I was a noob once to this lifestyle and thank god i had subs and Doms both that were patient enough with me to answer my neverending stupid questions( especially the ones about" what does that mean?") i am alot more experienced now. i have Dom/sub relationships under my belt. Ive learned to manage more than one girl at a time( and those girls have the understanding their will be other other girls or that possiblity)  though i cant managed two "serious" relationships at the same time( though ive tried and it didnt work to well, needing more practice im guessing) Ive done alot of chatting and reading online as well and tried to take in( but fail to remember) everyones points of views.

I think of myself as a trainer and teacher. I think i have  enough experience to  at least give the noobs a start and direction to go in instead of wondering around this realm lost.  This is why i classify myself as a trainer.i dont classifiy myself as an expert in anything regarding BDSM ( though it may say so on my profile  on  things i really love just because i love and spend alot of time in that area). I want to return the courtesy and patiences shown to me by my former " trainers" who helped to make all this lifestyle has to offer not so damn overwhelming.

The slave part of the my name of course means i want to train /teach subs. I do help doms, if i can, with questions, but nowhere near to the extent of  subs. I think a well versed sub would do a better job at teaching a dom about this lifestyle and vice versa but thats my opinion.

I would of gladly told  everyone here this had i been asked in a polite way instead of instantly accused  of being a criminal looking for my next victim.

I would like to see some  the extremely active posters be more newcomer friendly.. or at least quit trying to scare them off.  Im sure everyone reading this has had help from someone along the way, How about "paying forward" that  favor someone did you when you was a noob to BDSM.  Instead of trying to scare the living daylights out of everyone . In the least, at least leave the noobs alone for a while and let them at least prove they are sincere before you go circling them.

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Have you thought about furthering your own training?

  i dont think about it i do it everyday, or try to. Im human, i make mistakes, i try to learn from them and not repeat them. I figure when i can go an indefinate amount of time  without making a single mistake i will be both perfect and Master.Until then i cannot claim to be either.

Ok, maybe you haven't checked out the atmosphere of the forums but we are a bunch of evil, scarastic bastards. Ya got corrected. Deal with it. I can have the opinion that the sky is orange, doesn't make me right. And as a trainer, yes you should be looking to gain more information all the time. You are a teacher. How can you teach if you aren't learning?

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See i CHOOSE not  to use proper grammar and punctuation because this isnt a college english class, and i have better things to do than proofread and fix typographical errors

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

~~FR to the OP ~~

Have you ever considered the fact that maybe these young folk grew up in such an environment and that this may be what gives them the idea that they know something about it?

No one thinks twice when someone at that same young age lays claim to experience at being submissive; yet we question those who lay the same claim to being Dominant/Master.

/shrug

Bolding mine.

Excellent point Kalira. I have had fantasies of submission since I was a young child (but more about my slightly fucked childhood later) and had rape fantasies starting the age of 11. I have known and understood myself to be a submissive since I was 18 and no one has ever questioned  me. However, I get plenty of e-mails telling me that my dominant is too young to a be master and that I'm a fool. He's 22 and he's a lot newer to this then I am. But considering everything he does to me on a regular basis, his punishments and his rewards (not even going to go into the scenes we play out), I know he is a dominant. He may be inexperienced but that doesn't make him any less a dominant.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007


This has became a pissing match, to see which can piss on me the longest without me discrediting everything they say.  Their is a big difference beween grammar punctuation, etc and reading comprehension.

See i CHOOSE not  to use proper grammar and punctuation because this isnt a college english class, and i have better things to do than proofread and fix typographical errors.




IF your reading comprehension will allow you  to grasp what i have just said, then you will refrain from the derailments of threads i post in. Those of you that fail this reading comprehension  and continue  to post flames and other childish behavior  will simply be blocked so i dont have to deal with your childishness.Apparently, if i have to block you, your just making stabs in the dark due to a lack of understanding and im  not going to keep trying to teach a blind person what the color "red" is.

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

Being evil and sarcastic dont bother me. Its the fact some need to  turn threads into childish flames because i dont agree with their point of view or that their point of view isnt fact. So far i have not seen any facts on these boards, its either opinions or opinion on facts. either way its opinions.  some try to twist  it into facts about my opinion or values  and how they are wrong.  For instance i was told in one of my post where i wrote and this is restatement of what i said/implied/meant/etc. " the first two things i learned in BDSM  were:1)not to judge others.2)  you show common respect" Im going to tell you the line quoted here  is FACT, because  this is how original source stated/implied/meant/etc it, which by the way is me. See what got twisted is someone tried to pass this off as me stating some BDSM history somewhere and getting it wrong. I never said according to (anything). these were the first two things i learned. I was told the first two things you 'will ' learn is ( above in "") that was an opinion/value by that person. Those were two things i learned very quickly, thus im stating it as fact because i ca being the original author of said quote. 

The thing is some people on here are so wrapped up on their facts , they can no longer tell what is fact and opinion ( most things ever said anywhere by anyone are opinions BTW) and if they cant find  it  somewhere  they consider "factual evidence"  to be  and you dont supply a reference then it is wrong despite the  fact that you never wrote/implied/ stated  it was fact.  This is only one of the many discrediation i have to discredit and misguidance or lack of reading comprehension or something along the lines.

" I can have the opinion that the sky is orange, doesn't make me right" but your not stating an opinion your stating a fact. what color the sky is universally accepted. and in this instance at certain times of the day  you would be right the sky is orange ... but i know their are people that would feel the need to bring out the fact book and say its blue.

Im always look to gain more information, i am more interested in opinions than facts on this matter. If i wanted facts i would go to the "horses mouth" and not get them second  hand from someone on a board who will interpret  their own meaning of that fact, by nature( ever play the telephone game when you was younger?) i take everything on here i read as someone elses opinion, references or not. I leave the facts to  unversially crediable sources, where they belong, and will go to such sources if i wish to know the "fact of the matter" . its not hard to "google" subjects

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ORIGINAL: Slavetrainer2007

This has became a pissing match, to see which can piss on me the longest without me discrediting everything they say. 

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Their is a big difference beween grammar punctuation, etc and reading comprehension.

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See i CHOOSE not  to use proper grammar and punctuation because this isnt a college english class, and i have better things to do than proofread and fix typographical errors.

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On the otherhand if you have poor reading comprehension, this shows a lack of ability to understand what is being said. therefore you read " i want green eggs and ham" as " i want breakfast" which could  mean any varity of the normal breakfast foods and vice versa.

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I could sit here and continue to discredit these  flames night after night, but those of you that feel the need to follow me around the threads and  turn every one into a flame thread at me are showing alot of disrespect for everyone else on these boards.

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 as i stated, you may message me any of your  problems or concerns with me and ill be more than happy to reply in such manner. You may even start an entire thread( again as ive stated previously)  in the most approiate main thread  in which those who wish to flame at me can do so without derailing  and hijacking every thread on here. If you do please message me with location of said thread. I will, as my time allows, provided i dont have any other interesting subjects to post on at the time, respond and discredit, in order of post every single post you make  against me as i have so far done  in various threads.

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IF your reading comprehension will allow you  to grasp what i have just said, then you will refrain from the derailments of threads i post in.
Those of you that fail this reading comprehension  and continue  to post flames and other childish behavior  will simply be blocked so i dont have to deal with your childishness.Apparently, if i have to block you, your just making stabs in the dark due to a lack of understanding and im  not going to keep trying to teach a blind person what the color "red" is.

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

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Damn. How the hell would you have time unless that is your full-time job? How would you list that on your taxes anyway?

I'm seeing a spandex suit with a flogger on it.

OMG LMAO that visual is sooooooooo funny.

Spandex suit with the words 'superslavetrainer' in bright letters across the front, holding a plastic flogger in one hand and a kiddy cane in the other.

LOL omg

I'm still giggling over that.

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"How beautiful is the fruit still in denial of it's roots?"

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