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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/6/2006 11:55:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: strangefruit

Because to me, if he doesn't care enough about something as simple as taking pride in how his words come across, why on earth would I allow that man take control of me and be responsible for my training?

Bingo.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/6/2006 1:12:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I need to get my mind around something. I'm having a problem with teenagers believing that if they tied up a Barbie as a kid and cross-dress GI Joe, they are dominant and come out of the chute straight to "Mastership" status.

I would like any teen Masters to share with me what they feel/believe is their criteria to become a Master. What is their motivation? That sort of thing. I know there is going to be “we are all different yadda yadda”.. so just list YOURS as it is for your individual situation.

Again, I'm serious in my query and it's not an age bashing thread. Just trying to get into their heads as I'm in a situation where I started to tutor one. (long story.. consider it a favor to a friend :)

i am envoius ( and slightly suspicious) of anyone who really "know" themselves as a teen.....x

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/6/2006 2:12:47 PM

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Rover's question is valid in my mind. Trainer does seem to refer to reference history quite a bit and if I may add, with some questionable statements. Hummm, i think we're off-topic and have highjacked the original thread. My appologies LotusSong.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/6/2006 2:32:38 PM

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"Trainers" and the thousands of submissives we all have trained on line not-with-standing..

The original posting is asking teenagers why they believe they are or can be "masters"...

I suppose in many ways this is asking them the age old question: "How do you define yourself as a master when in reality, you do not have the experience in life that would be required of you to do <fill in some subjective thing an older person might do in this bracket>"

This is really asking "How do you (as a teenager) define 'master' (when you cannot even spell it)?" - as an expert at some craft -or, as someone who 'owns another'...

And, it has a tinge of frustration as in "Who the freak do they think they are portending to something as mature and advanced as being someone like a 'master'"<---I am not saying that you are saying this - but, it is definitively palpable in the tone of the question (Oh - what the hell - of course you are saying this... who are we trying to kid anyway).

Confession: I was not into leather as a teenager - I tied up Cindy in the barn and it was a lot of fun ravaging her until we dropped in exhaustion and all - but, that is not 'leather' and it is not a 'relational dynamic' which might be described as that (except for the fact that we definitively were dynamic on and with that damned rope...). So - because I started all of this BS later than my teens, I am retarded by on line standards, to be sure.

But - the essence of this whole thing is that of maturity... and, people mature differently - so, where I might think there is a chance that a 19 year old were mature enough to understand and duly appreciate the dynamic involved - and, someone claiming to be a trainer ten years later may not be mature enough to understand when he is being teased for being an ass and therefore is not fit to tie that theoretical 19 year old's shoes.

It is all in the telling and it is a very subjective thing.

Now - if this teen is also in league with a partner (more than likely a 'sexual partner' as at that age, I was equivalently driving spikes into the local citizen succubbi) - and, they are calling the dominant one "master" - who the freak would we be to determine that they (the pairing and their time together) were not fit for leather society... and, (stretching it a bit further) - if some younger person (a teen) were to be looking for a partner for kinky sex and calling it "leather" - how would he be any different than the dozens (nay HUNDREDS) of others who are older and doing the same thing (*on this web site or elsewhere)?

This is not saying that an organization does not have the right (some would say the "obligation") to deny them entrance until a predetermined age... that is simply smart business in today's world... that is to say that we (regardless) cannot determine that they are not <experienced, mature, sexual> enough to "be that" - as we are not in their skin - and, there are enough older people floating about who are equally immature (and, a lot who are simply idiotic)

We might (this is the collective "we" - not the regal "we" - as my "we" is not as "regal" as once it was) look down our noses at the persons doing this - but, it is not somethign which affects my life (our lives?) one iota...

I mean - it is not like they are (even) giving us benefit of tales of the hundred + submissives they have trained to amuse us....

It's all the same.. so wtf - over?

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ORIGINAL: ADomlesssub

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I need to get my mind around something. I'm having a problem with teenagers believing that if they tied up a Barbie as a kid and cross-dress GI Joe, they are dominant and come out of the chute straight to "Mastership" status.

I would like any teen Masters to share with me what they feel/believe is their criteria to become a Master. What is their motivation? That sort of thing. I know there is going to be “we are all different yadda yadda”.. so just list YOURS as it is for your individual situation.

Again, I'm serious in my query and it's not an age bashing thread. Just trying to get into their heads as I'm in a situation where I started to tutor one. (long story.. consider it a favor to a friend :)

i am envoius ( and slightly suspicious) of anyone who really "know" themselves as a teen.....x

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/6/2006 4:02:02 PM

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Nicely put, LoD grasshopper.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/6/2006 4:14:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: StrictPapa

Rover's question is valid in my mind. Trainer does seem to refer to reference history quite a bit and if I may add, with some questionable statements. Hummm, i think we're off-topic and have highjacked the original thread. My appologies LotusSong.

Thank you :) Looks like we are back on track now. (we haven't had a good train wreck in a long time!)

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/6/2006 4:18:52 PM

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LoD.. you are SOOOO blocked. I'd really appreciate it you would take this to another thread, room , outside, bar...anyplace. We got you don't LIKE the guy. Realize most here aren't even readeing his thread do to the length. Yours are rather long also. Write him privately. We got the picture. Thanks for your imput.

But I was trying to get something sorted out here.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/7/2006 8:54:55 AM

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I would write back to this to say:

1. I was responding to your thread (finally) as you requested (I actually took the time to read it) and

2. I do not "dislike the guy" - I just find him one of the peculiar (and, fun) personalities here on CM... he only affects 'himself' in this really

But, you have me blocked and so cannot read this at all

~J

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

LoD.. you are SOOOO blocked. I'd really appreciate it you would take this to another thread, room , outside, bar...anyplace. We got you don't LIKE the guy. Realize most here aren't even readeing his thread do to the length. Yours are rather long also. Write him privately. We got the picture. Thanks for your imput.

But I was trying to get something sorted out here.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/7/2006 9:57:49 AM

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Tal Ye Merry Gentlemen, (<--genderless term of course)

I didn't read all the posts by everyone. I did see LA's early one and nodded straight away and decided to make a quick post. I also agree that age is not always so relevent, not as much as social upbringing. I'm left to remember somewhere in which I read about where a man was walking down a street and stopped briefly, he had a beautiful little blond slave knelt at his side, she was approached by a young fellow in his earlier teens maybe younger; he eyed and then physically inspected the delicious little slut. Upon the conclusion of his inspection he nodded and told the girl. I will one day own a girl as beautiful as you. He then turned and walked casually away. I believe that this demonstrates a society that men were taught early on how to think about such things. Not restricted from the effects of their instincts, but rather shown how to control and manage their emotions and sexual desires.

In another recent thread in this wilderness of words it was mentioned that it wasn't all that far back in our history that 14 was a prime age to marry away your daughters. I am pleased we have allowed our children more time to mature and become developed mentally and physically, as well as give them time to enjoy the simple things in life before the struggles of life tear at their daily existance. I was dominate as a young man myself. In exploring my kink side as a manchild of 16 I had an older girlfriend that was a kinkster in the making, she begged me to allow her to tie me up. I consented and then when she started doing a thing or two (I'll keep that to myself) I said to her, "untie me or kill me cause your in serious trouble if you go any further" That was the last time I had ropes on me, but she sure was tied many times following that. In hind sight, her way to start me down this path seems to have been effective, wouldn't you say. Manipulative little slut. (grinz)

It seems that tutalage may be as much a factor as age. In many cases anyway. I am in favor of the now more developed slutlings aged 25 plus though. They make my mouth water. That may have to due with my age though. To think God made these wonderful creatures out of a damn rib bone. Now that's creativity.(chuckles)

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/7/2006 2:45:58 PM

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Yes.....this is for the younger men only please.

Well I...umm, the grey in the beard?...um...er...its dye?...I'm young at heart?...oh damn, never mind!!

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/7/2006 2:50:30 PM

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Well I started as a teen although not as a Dominate. I started as a slave and was that way for 4 years before becoming a Domme. But that is just me.

Enoha

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/7/2006 9:31:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Another age thread? Talk about a rash...

There's no "magic age" where one suddenly goes from being incompetent to being competent. People are allowed to become husbands and fathers at age 19, but some how a good dominant or master is totally fucked up?

We could of course debate the quality of someone as a mother/farther or husband/wife at that young age as well, but we lead to the same point- people are going to be doing what they do.

In the coming decades, people in their teens will be becoming exposed to bdsm and will be GROWING UP with it just like teens of the past grew up with drugs and breasts and condoms. They will be entering the active scene in droves.

We need to learn how to accept and help them and stop just saying they are clueless dorks or end up with a lot of youngsters with NO ONE to turn to but eachother- and I don't think we want that as a whole. We need to respect them for who they are and where they will go. THEY will be the ones teaching the world and eachother about kink in the next generation. The more we try and deny them basic respect, the more we turn them away from some good resources.

Cuz time will march on, and none of us will be around forever. We can either embrace the future and bridge the generation gap, or close ourselves off, go "underground" and bemoan the horrible state of the younger world.

I choose the former.

Let's just hope they go to some parties/munches/demonstrations and keep their mouths shut and listen and learn.

Personally, I would absolutely not be interested in anyone younger than about 30 or so. And I absolutely, positively would not let anyone who was 18 or 19 (or 20, 21, etc.) tie me up and play at being a Dom.

I suppose they have to learn somewhere.

I learned by reading, watching, listening, and asking questions.

I wouldn't vote for a 18 year old to be president, why would I put my life in their hands?

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 6:28:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: erebus

Let's just hope they go to some parties/munches/demonstrations and keep their mouths shut and listen and learn.

That is a bit rash - after all (and as you say) 'questions' are the best way to understand what is being said...

Besides - you would never gett ot know them if they did not congregate with the group - and/or find out if they are the sort of person whom you would wish to associate with.

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I wouldn't vote for a 18 year old to be president, why would I put my life in their hands?

I know a few 18 year old EMT's and some who are in training... I would trust some of them to restrain me and 'work' on me... and, I would imagine there are young dominants out there who could also be as dedicate towards their learning and trustworthy.

~J
PS: Better hope you do not have one show up for any emergency in your health ;)

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 7:43:03 AM

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Interesting thread to see the difference between chronological age and emotional maturity and how one is not dependent upon the other.

i can easily imagine there are 18 - 20 year olds with a great deal of technical skill and perhaps even more emotionally stable than some of the "elders" but studies have shown that the part of the brain that is responsible for impulse control is not fully formed until around the age of 25. Auto insurance companies have known this for years and give a preium break at age 25. That's not to say there aren't 22 year olds who have learned to control their impulses. There are 55 year olds who don't control their impulses.

i understand what the OP is trying to say and frankly, for me, anyone who portends (yes i spelled that right) to know everything ceases to be interesting regardless of age or skill. level.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 7:50:26 AM

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I completely agree with you and have read some reports on what you state -
I just do not see throwing all people out on a broad based spectrum for 'lack of age' (I wouold use the term "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" - but, that seems somehow counterproductive to my argument).

In the military service "kids" as young as 18 are learning skills which might surprise the average reader - and, 'can be' (and important codicile) in charge of groups of personnel conducting these evolution very early in their career.

Besides the obvious command functions of a platoon and/or company, there are technicians with responsibilities beyond what is obviously considered.

As a personal experience - I was in charge of the electrical system controlling the nuclear plant of an aircraft career by 20 and had 16 men working under me.

And, I am not at all exceptional.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Interesting thread to see the difference between chronological age and emotional maturity and how one is not dependent upon the other.

i can easily imagine there are 18 - 20 year olds with a great deal of technical skill and perhaps even more emotionally stable than some of the "elders" but studies have shown that the part of the brain that is responsible for impulse control is not fully formed until around the age of 25. Auto insurance companies have known this for years and give a preium break at age 25. That's not to say there aren't 22 year olds who have learned to control their impulses. There are 55 year olds who don't control their impulses.

i understand what the OP is trying to say and frankly, for me, anyone who portends (yes i spelled that right) to know everything ceases to be interesting regardless of age or skill. level.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 8:04:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

And, I am not at all exceptional.

~J

I know this man personally (gawwwd, I hate to admit that) and can unquestionably vouch for the fact that there is nothing exceptional about him at all.

John

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 8:06:51 AM

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Question:

Is it against the TOS to call someone a "Dick"?

Wonderingly:

~J

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

And, I am not at all exceptional.

~J

I know this man personally (gawwwd, I hate to admit that) and can unquestionably vouch for the fact that there is nothing exceptional about him at all.

John

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 8:08:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
Wonderingly:

~J

That much is true, he most certainly IS a wonder.

John

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 8:10:31 AM

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I have some good friends that I call dick (or dickless) regardless of TOS (sometimes you gotta take the hit for your buddies), you can always try to forward the argument that Dick is their nickname........?????

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/8/2006 8:39:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I need to get my mind around something. I'm having a problem with teenagers believing that if they tied up a Barbie as a kid and cross-dress GI Joe, they are dominant and come out of the chute straight to "Mastership" status.

I would like any teen Masters to share with me what they feel/believe is their criteria to become a Master. What is their motivation? That sort of thing. I know there is going to be “we are all different yadda yadda”.. so just list YOURS as it is for your individual situation.

Again, I'm serious in my query and it's not an age bashing thread. Just trying to get into their heads as I'm in a situation where I started to tutor one. (long story.. consider it a favor to a friend :)

As far as I am concerned the only thing required to be a Master in the way we use the term is to own a slave. I have known a few young males/females over the years who are completely capable of psychologically enslaving someone to them. I don't think age is the determiner of that. I think young people with a knack for controlling others will onl get better with age.

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