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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/8/2006 8:42:21 AM

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Once again, what could have been an interesting thread has disintegrated in places by immature, self-serving comments and argument. It's almost impossible to navigate through some of these threads (when you're inexperienced and looking to read others' shared experiences/answers) with the constant conflict and argument baiting.

Why doesn't someone create a new category on this board called The Argument Clinic. That way, these threads could stay on topic and the people who constantly ruin conversation could go there and inflict their endless personal diatribes upon each other. *dreams*

(Oops, I'm off topic just by posting this.)

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 1:11:54 PM

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Alright. Well since most "teen masters" never read the boards lol, I guess I'll sit here and defend them, well... maybe not the vast majority of totally incompetent ones.

Firstly, I'd like to say, all the negative aspects most people see in teen Doms, can often be seen in people 25-55. Often enough I've stumbled on profiles of middle aged men who obviously just wanted an excuse to get laid and take advantage of some poor stupid 19 year old girl. The negative aspects we can see in Doms has no age barrier, there are plenty of inexperienced, think-theyre-god Doms who are 40.

Now, back on the subject. How could I possibly think I'm a competent master at 19. Perhaps, we must all begin learning this somewhere. I've been interested in this lifestyle for a few years now, and have experienced it myself to some degree. I don't claim to know everything and be able to write books on the subject. Now, if we all didnt perpetuate this whole "young Doms cannot possibly know a thing" PERHAPS, we'd have less idiots on this site. Simple as this, is these Doms are consistantly getting bashed and flamed, they see no reason to stay. So what we're left with is all these idiots. I think many people on this site so easily portray the Domlier-than-thou attitude which just makes me laugh. This is a website. What are you trying to prove, I could just as easily be the 40 year old master with years of experience... your e-ego doesn't impress me.

So how about, for once, we chill out on the younger Doms and let them live it out and learn. Experience isn't everythign my friend, I'm sure theres some idiots on this site who could easy be put to shame by someone under 20. I rarely post on the boards, but I do like to observe, and some of you just crack me up. Some of you are simply little boys on a power trip who happen to be old enough to grow a beard.

Now I know this doesn't apply to all of you, but it does to a very large number. So now I await your hurt little e-egos, get your panties up in a bunch and flame me. I welcome it.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 1:40:40 PM

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I often tell the story of a guy I knew in high school who was taking the 10th grade for the third (or fourth) time. He never bragged about his "experience" as if it were something he was proud of.

My point (and yours as well), is that there is no direct correlation between the passage of time and an increased knowledge base. Frankly, I'll take someone like yourself (young, willing to accept that you don't know it all and open to learn) over a "more experienced" Dominant that (for any one of a variety of reasons) hasn't learned a thing and isn't likely to in the future either (many lifestylers don't particularly value their education to begin with).

You'd be welcome in my local community anytime.

John

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 1:46:43 PM

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wow
i was completely bracing myself for an onslaught of flaming.

i smile at this response :)

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 1:51:35 PM

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LOL.. freaking excellent...

I would welcome you in any group I was a member of *until you turned older and dumber like a lot of us ;)

Nice post.

Sorry about not flaming you... maybe next time.

~J

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ORIGINAL: DevilsVendetta

Alright. Well since most "teen masters" never read the boards lol, I guess I'll sit here and defend them, well... maybe not the vast majority of totally incompetent ones.

Firstly, I'd like to say, all the negative aspects most people see in teen Doms, can often be seen in people 25-55. Often enough I've stumbled on profiles of middle aged men who obviously just wanted an excuse to get laid and take advantage of some poor stupid 19 year old girl. The negative aspects we can see in Doms has no age barrier, there are plenty of inexperienced, think-theyre-god Doms who are 40.

Now, back on the subject. How could I possibly think I'm a competent master at 19. Perhaps, we must all begin learning this somewhere. I've been interested in this lifestyle for a few years now, and have experienced it myself to some degree. I don't claim to know everything and be able to write books on the subject. Now, if we all didnt perpetuate this whole "young Doms cannot possibly know a thing" PERHAPS, we'd have less idiots on this site. Simple as this, is these Doms are consistantly getting bashed and flamed, they see no reason to stay. So what we're left with is all these idiots. I think many people on this site so easily portray the Domlier-than-thou attitude which just makes me laugh. This is a website. What are you trying to prove, I could just as easily be the 40 year old master with years of experience... your e-ego doesn't impress me.

So how about, for once, we chill out on the younger Doms and let them live it out and learn. Experience isn't everythign my friend, I'm sure theres some idiots on this site who could easy be put to shame by someone under 20. I rarely post on the boards, but I do like to observe, and some of you just crack me up. Some of you are simply little boys on a power trip who happen to be old enough to grow a beard.

Now I know this doesn't apply to all of you, but it does to a very large number. So now I await your hurt little e-egos, get your panties up in a bunch and flame me. I welcome it.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 6:16:59 PM

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i just read the whole thread, and honestly every one has good points as usual.

one thing i would say is that i so many times i here dominants say "i was born this way" "this is who i am" ect....so why would it be so hard to understand that some one could be an accomplished master at 18?

becoming an accomplished master requires two things IMO a natural inclination to lead, to steward, and to make decisions....and...a skill set on how to to use toys, ropes, tools, ect....the skill set as we all know can be easily learned...about a year at most.

and the natural inclination is as implied, innate.

i myself have met 2 18ish yr old dominants that surprised the heck out of me with their ability's and Mastery of their selves thier lives and thier slaves....

shocked me really.

but the the 16 yr old girls on American idol shock me too with their ability to belt out some bluesy heart rippers....

for me i try to see the whole person as a work in progress be they 18...or 80....

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 6:24:25 PM

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I hate you all. I wanted flames. This is boring :(

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 6:58:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: QuietDom

We definitely need to hear from "DOMINATE LORD MASTER EMPEROR BLACKTHORN DEATHCLAW BLOODSMACK, CHIEF WARRIOR ASSASSIN OF GOR" on this matter. His perspective would be invaluable. Unfortunately, I think his mother has banned him from the computer for the time being, having caught him looking at naughty pictures again.

QuietDom:
ROFLMAO
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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 7:15:55 PM

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Then say something blatantly stupid -

That usually gets it moving in that general direction - although, regardless of the feigned banality of your statement, the absolute outragous nature of your stance - there will be those that will stick up for your statements because of your age, the planet you are from, the color of your socks, or simply because they dislike the person flaming you.

Say something like -

"I belong to an ancient house of slave training originating in Atlantis..."
-or-
"It is possible that there is a house of slave training originating in Atlantis"
-or-
"I knew a guy who had a friend who lived in a house of slave training that originated in Atlantis, until it burned down... or flooded... ot something and it still exists, just not where it was before when I knew about it from the friend of the guy"
-or-
"There is no such thing as a true master these days - the old days were better when I was 3 and first learning about this in the local leather bar and the internet was not even a twinkle in Gore's tube radio set!!"

And, if you cannot bring yourself to say something insipidly silly we can rail you for:

~~Screw you - no flames for you.~~

NEXT!
~J

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ORIGINAL: DevilsVendetta

I hate you all. I wanted flames. This is boring :(

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 8:08:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DevilsVendetta

I hate you all. I wanted flames. This is boring :(

Your father was hamster and your mother smells of elderberries.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 8:40:50 PM

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Oh its on now.

My mother smells like roses! Don't go at my mother!

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/19/2006 10:43:37 PM

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I know this was written quite a while ago but I just had to respond.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

No, I'm not stalking you. But like many regulars to these boards, we read and comment upon what interests us. Simply put, the more you write (and you seem to write copious amounts) the more that requires correction. Obviously leather history is not one of the subjects you teach as a trainer.

Here's the danger with getting your factual information from unverified online sources... it's often wrong. That's one reason why we often ask for references from people.... it's easy for people to claim anything they want online, and it's kinda helpful to separate fact from fiction. And in the case of your understanding of leather history, it is proveably false.

The terms "Master" and "slave" did not originate with Gor and bleed over to the BDSM community. Those terms were in usage before the first Gor book was published in 1967 and date to the predominantly gay male S/M leather culture often referred to as "Old Guard" (generally speaking late '40s to early '70s). John

Basically, Rover, you are making the (IMO mistaken) assumption that this poster even cares about leather and leather history. I can see no indication from his postings or profile that he does. To many people, the "lifestyle" originated in a chatroom and training girls online is a productive endeavor. And that is fine if it works for them but they will never be part of the world you and I know and live in. To those of you out there to whom this applies, I mean no insult, just stating a belief of mine. You are more than welcome to reject my view. Personally, even at age 22, it feels tragic to me that people younger than I come into this with so little awareness of the practices of the past. To spout out about being a master or trainer without having read some of the pivital authors, heard some of the world class speakers, learned from the real life masters who are available so readily and want to teach...it's like declaring oneself to have a PhD in English Literature without ever stepping foot in a university or reading shakespeare. Yes, BDSM and all of its components are open to interpretation but just like the study of English Literature, there is a general consensus among most practitioners of at least some very basic starting points from which to build a foundation.

And to Slavetrainer2007, I read your profile, and as a fellow dominant I have to say that your claim to training girls not for yourself but for the benefit of future dominants drives me batty. I think many would agree with me that even your best trained, most perfect, slave will have to all but start from scratch when she becomes mine. In other words: if you weren't trained by me, you weren't trained.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/19/2006 10:56:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I need to get my mind around something. I'm having a problem with teenagers believing that if they tied up a Barbie as a kid and cross-dress GI Joe, they are dominant and come out of the chute straight to "Mastership" status.

I would like any teen Masters to share with me what they feel/believe is their criteria to become a Master. What is their motivation? That sort of thing. I know there is going to be “we are all different yadda yadda”.. so just list YOURS as it is for your individual situation.

Again, I'm serious in my query and it's not an age bashing thread. Just trying to get into their heads as I'm in a situation where I started to tutor one. (long story.. consider it a favor to a friend :)

And just when you wish I would shut up, here's my reply to the OP. I still haven't managed to read ALL the way through this thread but anyway...

I'm 22 and have been in out in the r/t lifestyle for 2 years (though I remember those thoughts and inclinations as early as 6 years old.) I am proud of the fact that I came in not knowing anything and began in the role of submissive, though I quickly learned it was not true to myself. I remained the sub of that dom for 8 months, during which time I learned some very important lessons about what dominance and submission are and specifically ARE NOT. I do believe that starting at the bottom is probably the best way to learn though I know there are some who will never accept that and don't start that way and that's fine too. For the last 18 months I have identified as a dominant but never a master (using it as gender neutral.) In many ways, I believe that "master" only functions to describe someone in relation to another. You can always BE a dominant but you aren't a master unless you own a slave. You can always be submissive but you aren't a slave till you are owned. Those are VERY abbreviated statements and my full ideas of what master and slave are would be an entirely different conversation. In the strictest sense however, I don't believe there would be any age limit there. If an 18 year old person has a slave, they are a master the same as a 50 year old person. Does it mean they are a worthy master? A good master? A successful master? Who knows? From my experience, there are some people who have innate dominance in them and can inspire submission in others even without the technical "mastery" of skills in play. I personally believe in everyone's right to identify as they so choose as long as we all continue to admit that we can learn something from everyone and none of us have or ever will have reached a point where we are beyond being taught. I have some incredible mentors of all ages, some even younger than myself. The exchange of knowledge, like that of power, goes both ways.

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/19/2006 11:22:25 PM

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I came into the scene at 23, and most people were pretty hell bent on making sure I switched for a while, that I wasn't really sure which side I fell to. (I don't see this happening with young Doms, but I could be wrong - dudes, were you encouraged to switch? Were you barraged with FemDoms inviting you to submit to them? I ask in earnest!) While their level of assumption was annoying to me, I'm eternally glad I did switch and did learn as much as I did. There's a certain wisdom when a sub is acting out that you can pull when you're thinking "I tried that, didn't get away with it, trust me" and that's the tip of the iceberg. I got really into flexibility and fluidity for a few years. Eventually I met a man who removed any shadow of doubt about which way I'm oriented, (he's sub as they get) and when I met him I was more experienced, more thinking, and more ready than I would have been at 23, so it was good.

I find a large double standard in how a young FemDom is treated (add BS points if she's on the attractive side) and how a young MDom is treated (again add BS points if he's on the attractive side) I was more likely to be treated as a desireable, potentially submissive member of the community and quite welcome. The younger MDoms I've known were more likely to be treated as just irrelevant and clueless, period. If he's good looking it's assumed he's a player with no morality to boot. Older Doms are more interested in pushing these guys aside, more interested in taking young FemDoms with remotely any switch potential in for "mentorship" (big surprise)

One of the people I bent knee and ass for when I was in this switching phase was a lesbian submissive who loved to service top and had a wicked streak. She was all of 22 when we had our scene or 2. I've never been done that hard or that well before or since, if I have a fraction of a sub side, she got hold of it. A wicked mind and mad skills are not limited to those over 30.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/20/2006 6:40:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DominaSmartass

I know this was written quite a while ago but I just had to respond.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

No, I'm not stalking you. But like many regulars to these boards, we read and comment upon what interests us. Simply put, the more you write (and you seem to write copious amounts) the more that requires correction. Obviously leather history is not one of the subjects you teach as a trainer.

Here's the danger with getting your factual information from unverified online sources... it's often wrong. That's one reason why we often ask for references from people.... it's easy for people to claim anything they want online, and it's kinda helpful to separate fact from fiction. And in the case of your understanding of leather history, it is proveably false.

The terms "Master" and "slave" did not originate with Gor and bleed over to the BDSM community. Those terms were in usage before the first Gor book was published in 1967 and date to the predominantly gay male S/M leather culture often referred to as "Old Guard" (generally speaking late '40s to early '70s). John

Basically, Rover, you are making the (IMO mistaken) assumption that this poster even cares about leather and leather history. I can see no indication from his postings or profile that he does. To many people, the "lifestyle" originated in a chatroom and training girls online is a productive endeavor. And that is fine if it works for them but they will never be part of the world you and I know and live in. To those of you out there to whom this applies, I mean no insult, just stating a belief of mine. You are more than welcome to reject my view. Personally, even at age 22, it feels tragic to me that people younger than I come into this with so little awareness of the practices of the past. To spout out about being a master or trainer without having read some of the pivital authors, heard some of the world class speakers, learned from the real life masters who are available so readily and want to teach...it's like declaring oneself to have a PhD in English Literature without ever stepping foot in a university or reading shakespeare. Yes, BDSM and all of its components are open to interpretation but just like the study of English Literature, there is a general consensus among most practitioners of at least some very basic starting points from which to build a foundation.

And to Slavetrainer2007, I read your profile, and as a fellow dominant I have to say that your claim to training girls not for yourself but for the benefit of future dominants drives me batty. I think many would agree with me that even your best trained, most perfect, slave will have to all but start from scratch when she becomes mine. In other words: if you weren't trained by me, you weren't trained.

Believe me, I didn't presume that the person in question had any genuine interest in leather history (it was obvious he did not, as much of the information is readily available to anyone wishing to take the time to find and read it). Two points, really:

First, correcting the factual record benefits those that may be reading along and who may desire to know the factual truth. I understand that will not be everyone, but even if it's one person, they deserve documented facts where they exists.

And second, these forums are not billboards, where people are free to say whatever they like without equally public comment from whomever wishes to chime in. I derive a certain amount of enjoyment from my contributions to these forums, or I would not do so.

As for the rest of your post, I am entirely in agreement and particularly enjoyed your (quite valid) analogy to earning a Phd in Literature. Though I doubt very much that Slavetrainer2007 will be around to read your comments to him (he hasn't been online here since December 6th, and now that he knows this place is populated by folks that know better, he's not likely to return).

John

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/20/2006 6:51:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

I find a large double standard in how a young FemDom is treated (add BS points if she's on the attractive side) and how a young MDom is treated (again add BS points if he's on the attractive side) I was more likely to be treated as a desireable, potentially submissive member of the community and quite welcome. The younger MDoms I've known were more likely to be treated as just irrelevant and clueless, period. If he's good looking it's assumed he's a player with no morality to boot. Older Doms are more interested in pushing these guys aside, more interested in taking young FemDoms with remotely any switch potential in for "mentorship" (big surprise)

Any chance that a young, attractive male Dominant might be seen as "competition" and some of the older male Dominants feel insecure and threatened in a way that's not in evidence by young, attractive female Dominants (who are seeking male submissives, and who might be manipulated into a sexual encounter)?

Just wondering, ya know?

John

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RE: Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/20/2006 9:47:34 AM

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Methinks that's the sound of the nail being hit. :)

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/20/2006 10:53:57 AM

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Does 21 year-old count as teenage?
well i'm 22 now, 23 next month, woooo
But 21 is when i got my first sub, And i'll be honest i had no idea what i was doing, thankfully neither did she, and we kinda learned it together.
I've looked back on my life and noticed my perclivities for BDSM going as far back as 9 years old or so. It's just grown.
My worst feeling is wondering how everyone else would look at me when i try and say i am a Dom. Most subs i know look for older men. most older both subs and doms, look down on the young as kind of inexperianced, i don't really know where i fit in.
same old story eh, no experiance so no one wants you, but without being with someone i can't get experiance. *sigh*

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/20/2006 2:43:08 PM

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I classify myself as the threatening attractive Dom.

<_<

>_>

Very good point though. I was impressed.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/20/2006 10:06:41 PM

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People are allowed to become husbands and fathers at age 19

I wasn't aware that there's an age limit. I wish you had been around to explain this to my niece it might have saved her a great deal of heartache, a baby and a divorce at 17.

quote:

i could have my control and i wouldnt have to fight the girl involved for it if she was a sub. she would happily give up the control i needed.

Further reading the Gor perspective expains a lot. I WAS going to ask where these amazing creatures that prostrate themselves at the sight of a dominant dewll until I realized it was with the unicorns and faries.

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