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Teenish Masters 18 yrs + - 12/3/2006 7:32:34 PM   
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I need to get my mind around something.  I'm having a problem with teenagers believing that if they tied up a Barbie as a kid and cross-dress GI Joe, they are dominant and come out of the chute straight to "Mastership" status.
 
I would like any teen Masters to share with me what they feel/believe is their criteria to become a Master.  What is their motivation? That sort of thing.  I know there is going to be “we are all different yadda yadda”.. so just list YOURS as it is for your individual situation.
 
Again, I'm serious in my query and it's not an age bashing thread. Just trying to get into their heads as I'm in a situation where I started to tutor one.  (long story.. consider it a favor to a friend :) 
 

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 7:40:54 PM   
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Well they can spend alot more of the day on sex than people farther along in life can, so they got more endorphins dripping off them all the time, ain't been thru five checkbooks and three divorces yet..........they probably believe that people are really gonna do what they say overall yet...............

Lotsa reasons............

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 7:44:34 PM   
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By "teen" I hope you are talking about 18 and 19 year olds, being that this is an adult site...?  Otherwise, I'll set my timer for how soon this thread will be pulled.  The title alone will draw the Mods attention.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 7:44:48 PM   
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I've seen a lot of teen *girls* saying they're Mistresses online... but I always thought they were fakes. There may be some real ones, but the teenyboppers I've always seen seem to be the fake MySpace ones that have 20 billion "mistress's slut" girls on their friends lists.

As far as teen guy Masters go, I'm not sure I've ever seen any.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:01:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

By "teen" I hope you are talking about 18 and 19 year olds, being that this is an adult site...?  Otherwise, I'll set my timer for how soon this thread will be pulled.  The title alone will draw the Mods attention.



Absolutely.. 18 and over only please.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:02:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressMoxie

I've seen a lot of teen *girls* saying they're Mistresses online... but I always thought they were fakes. There may be some real ones, but the teenyboppers I've always seen seem to be the fake MySpace ones that have 20 billion "mistress's slut" girls on their friends lists.

As far as teen guy Masters go, I'm not sure I've ever seen any.



Yes.....this is for the younger men only please.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:04:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

By "teen" I hope you are talking about 18 and 19 year olds, being that this is an adult site...?  Otherwise, I'll set my timer for how soon this thread will be pulled.  The title alone will draw the Mods attention.



Absolutely.. 18 and over only please.

Thanks for clarifying.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:16:55 PM   
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Another age thread?  Talk about a rash...
 
There's no "magic age" where one suddenly goes from being incompetent to being competent.  People are allowed to become husbands and fathers at age 19, but some how a good dominant or master is totally fucked up?
 
We could of course debate the quality of someone as a mother/farther or husband/wife at that young age as well, but we lead to the same point- people are going to be doing what they do.
 
In the coming decades, people in their teens will be becoming exposed to bdsm and will be GROWING UP with it just like teens of the past grew up with drugs and breasts and condoms.  They will be entering the active scene in droves.
 
We need to learn how to accept and help them and stop just saying they are clueless dorks or end up with a lot of youngsters with NO ONE to turn to but eachother- and I don't think we want that as a whole.  We need to respect them for who they are and where they will go.  THEY will be the ones teaching the world and eachother about kink in the next generation.  The more we try and deny them basic respect, the more we turn them away from some good resources.
 
Cuz time will march on, and none of us will be around forever.  We can either embrace the future and bridge the generation gap, or close ourselves off, go "underground" and bemoan the horrible state of the younger world.
 
I choose the former.


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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:24:16 PM   
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Another age thread?  Talk about a rash...
 
There's no "magic age" where one suddenly goes from being incompetent to being competent.  People are allowed to become husbands and fathers at age 19, but some how a good dominant or master is totally fucked up?
 
We could of course debate the quality of someone as a mother/farther or husband/wife at that young age as well, but we lead to the same point- people are going to be doing what they do.
 
In the coming decades, people in their teens will be becoming exposed to bdsm and will be GROWING UP with it just like teens of the past grew up with drugs and breasts and condoms.  They will be entering the active scene in droves.
 
We need to learn how to accept and help them and stop just saying they are clueless dorks or end up with a lot of youngsters with NO ONE to turn to but eachother- and I don't think we want that as a whole.  We need to respect them for who they are and where they will go.  THEY will be the ones teaching the world and eachother about kink in the next generation.  The more we try and deny them basic respect, the more we turn them away from some good resources.
 
Cuz time will march on, and none of us will be around forever.  We can either embrace the future and bridge the generation gap, or close ourselves off, go "underground" and bemoan the horrible state of the younger world.
 
I choose the former.



I clearly stated it was not an AGE bashing thread.  Please don't make it one. 
 
NEXT.. a guy this time please.  (But thanks for trying) 

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:39:42 PM   
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Well since i started in this lifestyle around 18ish ill give you my opinion.

I stumbled on BDSM by sole accident after frequently  visiting chat rooms. It was a Gorean Room, in Yahoo chat. back in the old days when bots where just people spamming rooms for something. I made the mistake of talking( probably said something stupid knowing me at that age) and getting flamed. I came back in the room the next day and watched instead of  talking  I bet i spent 2-3 hours in their just reading chat. And i noticed alot of resemblances between the "Masters" and how i acted in real life.  Not that i acted like a master, but that my approach towards people was from more of a Dom side than neutral. Also the taboo and openness of the lifestyle amazed me. I  did searchs and  checked  on Dom/sub and started visiting the rooms more. It "felt" right to me. These people are the kind of people i need to be involved with.

I was never good as a teenager, in vanilla relationships. Im not very good at them to this day even with friends.  I never knew why, as teenager, i had such problem with   girls in school.  It seemed like they wanted more and more control  and i felt as if they had to approve of everything i did. The problem was i dont mesh well with vanilla girls. I have to have a majority of the control in a relationship and ive been that way since my teenage years.

So this lifestyle, looked like something that suited me, at that age. i could have my control and i wouldnt have to fight the girl involved for it  if she was a sub. she would happily give up the control i needed.  after that i never looked back.

So for me it was natural, and its been a damn long journey to this point. But ive learned much and learned thier is much  yet to learn.  To be a master is to learn you can never be a "master", as that is a title none of us would live long enough to achieve  imvo . but we still use that word loosely:P


as for other teenage "doms", i think for some alot of  of the appeal is " these doms can get girls to do whatever they want. i could get my dick sucked all day long if i was a dom!!!!! by lots of different girls and they wouldnt complain!!" ...... If only they knew the work it takes to get to the point they see that impresses them so much and seems so appealing. I do think some are naturally Dom and stumble upon this. I mean when your a teenager fresh out of highschool how much do you really know about sex? you know what hole to put it in and if you can get it in the other two you gotta hellva girl.  you know sex caused you and condoms are damn expensive on min wage for something you can only use 1 time.

I think this lifestyle appeals more to a teenagers hormones than to the person  that has the hormones. But again, i think some are genuinely dom and interested in the lifestyle and not just getting a girl to do whatever you want in the bedroom as often as you want.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 8:41:56 PM   
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these doms can get girls to do whatever they want. i could get my dick sucked all day long if i was a dom!!!!!


After 30 years that still brightens my day................


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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 9:04:52 PM   
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What draws an 18 or 19 year old to it is one thing claiming the title "Master _____" is another thing entirely.
Nobody has said that an 18 or 19 year old can't be dominant, or that they cannot be a skilled technical "top".
The question has always been in my mind how does someone with a grand total of a year or two (In most cases) of living their own life honestly believe they know enough to claim they are a Master worthy and capable of holding authority over someone elses life?



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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 9:35:13 PM   
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quote:

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What draws an 18 or 19 year old to it is one thing claiming the title "Master _____" is another thing entirely.
Nobody has said that an 18 or 19 year old can't be dominant, or that they cannot be a skilled technical "top".
The question has always been in my mind how does someone with a grand total of a year or two (In most cases) of living their own life honestly believe they know enough to claim they are a Master worthy and capable of holding authority over someone elses life?





Well for me at that age "Master"  is what all doms where called  as far as could tell so  if you were  a dom  your title should be "master" or "mistress" though mistresses werent near as common back then. The "master" subject and what it means and how its defined  has been debated as long as i can remember and no one yet has came up with an answer everyone( or a majority anyway) can agree on.  What makes a master  will give you a different answer from just about every single person you ask.

IMVO, to be a master, is to learn all that  you  could possibly have about that subject.  However, in BDSM, under that defination their never  can be any true masters, so it is more of an honorary title of respect for experienced Doms.  actually its what kijira( slaves for those of you that dont dabble in gorean)  call their owner and it just caught on in the general BDSM lifestyle IMO. a slaves owner is her/his master.  So you developed Master/slave names that were taken to the general BDSM community. In which they caught on  and became popular. People who owned slaves or had a submissive partner  called themselves "Master ABC" and the sub/slave called her/himself " Master ABC's xyz" . then it became greatly misused by those  vanillas looking for an easy e-lay.

A little off topic but i remember this one time in this  user created chatroom a " Master"  was screaming and yelling at  a handful of noobish slaves/subs to do this and that( screaming as far as chat goes anyway) being extremely demanding and degrading.  he had them all running in circles none doing exaclty what he said.

So playing into his lil roleplay, and feeling sorry for the naive, i called the girls over to me which they did promptly( i still cant figure out why exactly they all came over to me, but i think its cause i wasnt screaming shit, and i mean shit, at them)  and i told them  " look just cause your sub/slave or want to be such dont mean you have to listen to every Tom Dick and Harry that tells you to do something. "  You are under no obligation to listen to me or the ranting guy on the stool( thats what he was r/ping he was standing on with a whip) or anyone else. Being sub/slave dont mean you have to do whatever someone that is  Dom says"

At this point i realized how misused Master, Sir, Lord and every other title was just to pick up "willing girls". Its sad it came to that and that "Master " now means nothing but having to constantly justifying to others( as in you damn near have to write a resume and most of these  that demand justification have less than 2-3 years experience.)  why you have "Master" in your name. Its really sad what it has came down too. A few misguided peeps  turned the word "master" into the title of your resume for  the job application of "Dom"

Damn thats a long post:(

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 9:43:27 PM   
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Pardon my perceived indelicacy, but.... where did you learn about leather history?  Surely it was not from a knowledgeable source.
 
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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 10:14:32 PM   
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quote:

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Pardon my perceived indelicacy, but.... where did you learn about leather history?  Surely it was not from a knowledgeable source.
 
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Look its my stalker the board clown... You jumped threads looking for more justification of something.. You know, i read your profile and im saying this as a friend.. you need to seek professional mental help. I think you may have OCD.  You, my friend are a truely distrurb person, living in a fantasy world where people actually care  about  what you approve of as a "lifestyler". Your great at giving and trying  to get references( which makes me think this is a bleed over from your R/L job)and their was a comment in your journal about "jesus syndrome" i think you have that. Actually i think you need to talk everyone down in general to bring yourself up, or as far as i could tell  you pretty much in general insulted all but maybe 10% of the entire BDSM community at one point or another.  You seemed more concerned with  historical and  personal references than  actually being part of the  BDSM community and answering the questions asked in the thread or  even staying on topic.SO we will make you the official BDSM historian.. just quit asking for bloody references on every post, it makes you sound obsessed( with validating what people have to say or how they feel  or what they think)

And quit bloody stalking me. I dont swing that way.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 10:16:55 PM   
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At this point i realized how misused Master, Sir, Lord and every other title was just to pick up "willing girls".


This seems a very odd statement coming from someone who claims to have trained 134 girls. It's just not computing in my mind.

As I recall, you said 100 or so online, 30 r/t and 4 that you have personally collared. (Just out of curiosity, any of those still collared by you?) Would you consider using the word 'trainer' to pick up girls similar to using Master, Sir, Lord etc.? If not, what's the difference?

Also out of curiosity, any of those 134 willing to give you a reference? 

Celeste

edited to add:: Opps.. maybe I shouldn't have asked that reference question.. didn't know you were sensitive on the issue as your post came through after I had written this one.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 11:03:54 PM   
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lotussong, i have the same reaction of skepticism when i see very young dominants out there, male or female. then i stop and try hard to remember that i'm 18 and i know i am a competent submissive...so maybe it's not so big a leap of faith to think that there might be competent, or semi-competent, dominants in my age range (my own other half being far outside my age range). but still, i would probably be more wary getting involved with someone of that age, at least in bdsm activities, than someone older.

everyone's definition of "what it takes to be a master" is different. it wouldn't surprise me if somebody somewhere (or a few somebodies) thought all they needed to do was tie up barbie to know how to be a "real" dominant. there's idiots in every bunch, and at every age, i think.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/3/2006 11:59:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

At this point i realized how misused Master, Sir, Lord and every other title was just to pick up "willing girls".


This seems a very odd statement coming from someone who claims to have trained 134 girls. It's just not computing in my mind.

As I recall, you said 100 or so online, 30 r/t and 4 that you have personally collared. (Just out of curiosity, any of those still collared by you?) Would you consider using the word 'trainer' to pick up girls similar to using Master, Sir, Lord etc.? If not, what's the difference?

Also out of curiosity, any of those 134 willing to give you a reference? 

Celeste

edited to add:: Opps.. maybe I shouldn't have asked that reference question.. didn't know you were sensitive on the issue as your post came through after I had written this one.


1 is still collared , though not with me at the moment( she is away visiting family for the holidays:) )

I was making a guess on the online considering i didnt have my resume prepared, but their is only so much you can teach/learn online without taking it to r/l and online its easy to have /deal with multiple girls at once. ( not  technically at once but you catch my drift) R/L takes a lil longer typically  a few months to  a year depending on schedules( i work construction so i have alot more free time in winter than summer for example)  the girl, what she wants  or desires.

Online - anyone who lasted more than the first 1/3 of training. probably 1/2 of that figure  made it to  completion, at least from my point of view.
R/L-  anyone who lasted 3 months or better. maybe a dozen or so made it to completion.

The 3 previous subs ive "collared"  before now  lasted from a little over 1 year to 2 1/2 . two subs served at times that overlapped each other  for a time.(  i wont get into that ). my current has been with me almost 4 years.

I dont get references as it makes this feel like a job and if it is someone owes me alot of backpay. But i do have previous subs( real life only)  that will vouche for me and that i am sincere, provided i feel the need to give such validation which i typically reserve for only  sincerely interested subs( can you imagine me using you as reference and constantly being bombarded  from every Tom Dick and Mary asking you to validate me all the time). This is why i reserve my "references" to people who actually warrant needing them. 

You asking the question didnt bother me really. Though i still  am still not getting the need people feel  to validate everyone, including people they have no  relationship with in past,present, or future. To me this is sticking your nose where it dont belong.

No offense towards you as this isnt directed at you, celeste. But people should stop looking to  validate everyone else on these boards. People come here for support  and conversation with like minded people. We( those that are new) arent applying for a job, we arent trying to get your approval nor do we care about your approval . I'm here to please Me not you  or you or you or you.  I don't feel a need to validate myself to you, because you put your pants on the same way i do, one leg at a time. Someone mentioned in this thread i believe about future generations. the general rudeness and bitterness and just plain stick your nose in everyone elses business that has progressed in BDSM  both online and in real life in the last 9 years is going to scare the hell out of newcomers. You guys/girls should help the new people, you should welcome and be grateful they came to you  with questions and advice. It seems to me alot of  people need to learn people skills as they forgot such when they learned BDSM .Like it was said , if the new generations of  doms/subs have to teach each other  it going to be bloody scary. You should be concentating on  helping people instead of validating everybody and everything. What has BDSM came too? I havent really visited recent BDSM sites in the last couple of years or boards for that matter. But when did it become so bitter and disrespectful? when did people start requesting resumes from  people they will never have a relationship with? When did people get so wrapped up in trying to get "dirt" on everyone else. When did  Doms starting insulting a community and certain areas and/or interest in that community   they are a part of  and it became funny and humorous? thats just plain disrespect for your community and everyone in it. This( BDSM) use to be a respectful community that respected and tolerated everyone, their ways, their beliefs,  as long as the showed the same respect. So why are people who ask noobish questions flamed? why are people with less than 100 post count flamed. Why are people telling other people whats right and whats wrong?  This was a community in which their was  no right or wrong.. it was His way her way your way their way. now if its not your way its wrong.  Why do people get so wrapped up in the name instead of the person behind the name? has this community became that shallow?

Rover asked me about real life groups i was associated with. TBH i feel kind of embarrassed to be assoicated with BDSM at all and what it has become.  I backed out of  the active "lifestyler" groups a couple years ago because i  could not tolerate the disrespect and nosiness of those people in that group.  I didnt want to particapate anymore, i was only learning distrust and how to be bitter, deceiving and other things i didnt want to subject me or mine too.

What happened to the trust and support and friendships and everything else that made BDSM  and exciting lifestyle. Im sorry im a bit old school. All the resumes and guilty till proven innocent  and you have to be a member and particpate at this this and that  in order to be a  valid Dom is just a bunch of BS. If i attend a few meetings at the VFW hall does and show you a picture of me at those meetings with time and date does that make me a vet?Its  pathic and im ashamed of what this community as become with their judgements and  qualifications  and demos to learn how to be a proper dom. or how to do something that interest you. i didnt realize that We( doms) had to go to school to learn how to live. Im sorry but im not going to learn how to be dom how to paddle flog, use candle wax or anything else by watching another dom. If you cant "play" and use enough common sense, to properly paddle someones arse without killing them  or breaking a bone or causing severe head trauma then you really need supervision in every aspect of your adult life. Thats what i dont get about it  Training in something that only requires some caution and  and common sense.  Did you know the tip of a bull whip when it "snaps" is moving at the speed of sound or faster for a brief moment and thats  what causes the "snap". that may not be common sense but heres a clue ITS A BULL WHIP meaning its actually used  on bulls/large animals. using it on a human who has alot less thick hide  like its used on a bull will remove human flesh is large filets. How about a cattle prod, heres a clue.... its used on cattle an animal that outweighs most humans by 1/2 ton. while im on electrical  play. defibulators( the paddles)  use electric and apply current to the heart to "jump start" it.  applying electricity in any amount( the higher the amount the more the risk)  that will at any point pass through a functioning  heart could cause the opposite of "jump start"  .electricity applied to the brain ( which completly functions , as everything else in your body, on  electrical current)  could cause brain damage and/or damage to other organs.

My god, this is common sense. this is high school level common sense. you cant teach common sense. if a dom aint smart enough to know you cant snap a bull whip( ive wittled a wood post with the tip of a bullwhip, try it on a side of beef you can make your own hamburger in about 15 min) at  a sub and not seriously injure her then he needs  to feel the whip a few times himself for lacking common sense. IF a girl is naive enough to let said dom try it on her, she is just as dumb as he is and IMO thats a match made in heaven.

anyway  this got way offtopic and im done ranting. as i stated the last part of this posted wasnt directed at you celeste. It was directed at the general community i for some reason i now  feel ashamed to be a part of.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/4/2006 12:09:09 AM   
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We definitely need to hear from "DOMINATE LORD MASTER EMPEROR BLACKTHORN DEATHCLAW BLOODSMACK, CHIEF WARRIOR ASSASSIN OF GOR" on this matter.  His perspective would be invaluable.  Unfortunately, I think his mother has banned him from the computer for the time being, having caught him looking at naughty pictures again.

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RE: Teenish Masters - 12/4/2006 1:40:11 AM   
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That was quite a rant, but I didn't take it personally as I've never even spoken to you before for anything to actually 'be' personal.


I just find it odd that someone who claims to have trained over 100 women would take issue with others for doing the same thing they appear to be doing themselves.

I asked you if you put 'trainer' into the same category as Master, Sir, Lord? If not, what's the difference? I do understand that a title is fairly meaningless to anyone but the parties involved, but, you did choose it for yourself and choices, generally, come with consequences.

I mean, if you had said you've trained 4 or 5 submissives in 9 years it wouldn't have even dawned on me to ask the question at all, but when you lay claim to 100 or more, that's a whole different kettle of fish and seems to fall into the exact category which you are disparaging and I'm simply curious as to how you balance that attitude with the facts you've stated previous to this thread. They seem the same to me and despite the rather lengthy post, you didn't actually get around to that part. Perhaps you will do so now?

In all seriousness, if you have a woman who comes to you and asks you "where are the no strike zones?" and you give them an answer, would you consider that training? From what I understood of your postings, you 'trained' in very focused and specific areas which pertained to exactly what any particular woman wanted to learn. To me, that's like teaching someone their ABC's then telling others that you taught someone the English language. ABC's are just the tip of the iceberg.

Someone new to BDSM simply doesn't 'know' what they don't know, so to 'train' someone with such a narrow focus seems to do them a bit of an injustice.

I'm not going to speak again on the subject of references simply because we are not negotiating for a scene so they aren't necessary, that was simple curiosity on my part.

I have a deep love and abiding respect for BDSM and D/s, but having been involved in this lifestyle for so long I believe it can be said honestly, that trust, respect and open acceptance has 'never' been standard. I would submit that such is abnormal rather than normal and if you were exposed to that during your years in BDSM, count your blessings because it was rare.

Female submissives do tend to have an easier time of it than male dominants and certainly more so than male submissives, but the proof has always been in the pudding and respect, trust even acceptance of someone's dominant status takes time and consistancy ... it's not a given.

There simply were no 'good old days' and, as you yourself pointed out, you're rather ashamed of the groups and orgs with which you've been associated. To believe for a moment that it's going to be better than that on line is naive at best. 'Prove it' has been around as long as people have been participating in activities which could get them fired, lose them their children, their homes, get them beat up and everything else that goes along with being 'different' from mainstream society. 

Celeste



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"Oh, so it's just like
Rock, paper, scissors."

He laughed. "You are the wisest woman I know."


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