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How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:42:55 PM

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One of my Dom friends spoke to me this morning wanting advice from a slave point of view and although I would have loved to give it to him I really had no idea what to tell him.

The situation in short is this. My friend has been with his sub/slave for over a year now they have been Master and slave since valentines day last year and everything has been going along smoothly. September last year there started being a little bit of distance between them due to various things but still things kept going. Yesterday his slave wrote an entry in her journal entry confessing that over the last three months she has broken every rule that he has given her some rules she had broken almost daily like playing with herself without permission and reaching climax without permission. She couldn't live with the guilt that was building up in her about it and had to tell him. They talked about her reasons behind it and he even admited to me that he is partly at fault. Neither of them want out of their 24/7 relationship but he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't want to punish her too hard for something that he is at fault with but she needs to be punished and is pretty much begging for it. I am friends with both partys in this relationship and knowing her she feels like she needs a hard punishment to get rid of the guilt for three months.

Does anybody have any advice on how he could punish her? He has already locked her toys away so that she can not use them but she needs something more she needs to really feel like she has been punished/disciplined.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:47:03 PM

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She would no longer be our slave simple as that...BH

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:47:10 PM

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The bare bones of it is that she lied to him by breaking the rules. And punishment seems to go nowhere. He locked up her toys.. oh noes.. last I checked you could still get off with your hands.

The only punishment it seems that would really cut to the quick is dumping her ass *shrugs*

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:48:14 PM

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For one, since the one main thing you commented on was her sexual misadventures, she may need to be placed in chastity and denied orgasm for long periods of time. I know that works well for male subs, and I am assuming it will work equally well for a female.
Beyond that, he has to talk to her about what happened and he has to decide how much of the problem was his. After that then he can figure out how harsh the punishment should be to fit the crime

I agree with the others, someone who put me in that position would be dismissed. However since you did say they dont want out of their relationship, that was the best advice i could think of.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:53:07 PM

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Communication is the best start. Something in their dynamic isn’t meshing and they need to have a good sit down and reevaluate and respec their relationship. He needs to sit down with her and discover what her "fantasy" slave life was like and discover if any of those aspects are within him to implement all, or what he can in to their exchange.

I am not implying it is his responsibility to change his ideas of 24/7 TPE to keep her. However, we as people are not generic and vary more than a rainbow. Just as you have to handle each "unmentionable" with different gloves, so too, must you handle each slave with different gloves.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:53:23 PM

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This is a very delicate edge they are balanced on. Any wrong move will end in disaaster. The question they have to answer themselves is this: Is this relationship worth saving to both of them? If they cannot honestly answer yes, then they best part ways. That is punishment enough for both of them, knowing that they destroyed their oen relationship and haver to live with the consequeces of it.

If they truly want to salvage this, they need to literally go back to square one and start over from the very beginning, I mean basic training 101 for her. Literally retraining her to obey Him. It's all or nothing.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:55:28 PM

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This is a very delicate edge they are balanced on. Any wrong move will end in disaaster. The question they have to answer themselves is this: Is this relationship worth saving to both of them? If they cannot honestly answer yes, then they best part ways. That is punishment enough for both of them, knowing that they destroyed their oen relationship and haver to live with the consequeces of it.

If they truly want to salvage this, they need to literally go back to square one and start over from the very beginning, I mean basic training 101 for her. Literally retraining her to obey Him. It's all or nothing.

Extremely well said, and quite possibly the only suitable punishment that either could feel and not brush off

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:57:00 PM

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How is her decision to repeatedly break rules even partially his fault, exactly?

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 4:59:20 PM

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They really need to have a good long sit-down and talk about what each of them really wants in the relationship.
One thought was that the "Master" uses pain for punnishment and she just enjoys getting punnished.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:04:22 PM

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hi, I have a friend in canada. her slave stole from her.so I suggested a very bad weekend for her. her mistress followed this and the slave has vwed to never again break any rules.I will not give details here but if you want to know how,get a hold of me.
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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:12:42 PM

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How is her decision to repeatedly break rules even partially his fault, exactly?

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Yeah I agree with that. Honestly punishment is futile aspecially in this case.. something isnt right and releaving her guilt by "punishing" her will do nothing for the relationship.. whatever is left of it at this point... at this point her seeking punishment is just fufilling another of her needs just as playing with herself against the rules was filling her needs there is something fundamentaly wrong with this picture and there is no magic cure no special number of whacks with the cane that will do any good. They need to talk no getting around it the relationship isnt working and they eather need to face it and move on or work real hard to mend it but punishment isnt gunna do that.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:34:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: destinykitty

One of my Dom friends spoke to me this morning wanting advice from a slave point of view and although I would have loved to give it to him I really had no idea what to tell him.

The situation in short is this. My friend has been with his sub/slave for over a year now they have been Master and slave since valentines day last year and everything has been going along smoothly. September last year there started being a little bit of distance between them due to various things but still things kept going. Yesterday his slave wrote an entry in her journal entry confessing that over the last three months she has broken every rule that he has given her some rules she had broken almost daily like playing with herself without permission and reaching climax without permission. She couldn't live with the guilt that was building up in her about it and had to tell him. They talked about her reasons behind it and he even admited to me that he is partly at fault. Neither of them want out of their 24/7 relationship but he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't want to punish her too hard for something that he is at fault with but she needs to be punished and is pretty much begging for it. I am friends with both partys in this relationship and knowing her she feels like she needs a hard punishment to get rid of the guilt for three months.

Does anybody have any advice on how he could punish her? He has already locked her toys away so that she can not use them but she needs something more she needs to really feel like she has been punished/disciplined.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions.

Destinykitty

Trust has been broken on both sides. My guess is that they, like a lot of us, tried too much, too fast. Stop. Backup. Start over...and go slowly this time, beginning with a few rules. When she shows that she is willing and capable of following them and he is willing and capable of enforcing them, then add more.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:36:57 PM

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is this an M/s relationship?

if it is and both parties are still wanting to continue i would agree that they need to start over. deny her from being a slave. demote (please don't take that as a negative to subs) her to sub status and remove her slave name and slave status from her. start over from the begining... perhaps with more communication than previously done.. weekly meeting, talks etc.. journals .. whatever works..

if it's a D/s relationship i would suggest stripping her of any scene/sub name and any and all things that denote their relationship status. remove the collar and place it in a spot she can see it but do not allow her to wear it. perhaps buy a nice dog chain for training sessions etc and perhaps when and only when they are both back on track re-collar her to Him as a re-commitment of their bond..

hope that helped. never in this situation but seems a more emotional punishment. though the physical works too.. beat the crap outta her and ignore her for awhile and forbid speach etc.. either way.. LOL

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:43:49 PM

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Somebody needed attention and seems like it worked, at least for the moment.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 5:57:05 PM

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Okay, I'm feeling contrary this evening so I'm going to make waves...

If this master admits to being partly at fault, then how does he plan on punishing himself?

Personally, it sounds to me as if both need to step back and reevaluate just what it is that they expect from an M/s relationship. Then, if they decide that they share a mutual goal, as others have suggested they should start over. Though my recommendation is that they both give up their titles and start out as just two people building a relationship. He can earn the title of Master from her, and she can earn the title of slave from him. Then, maybe they'll both have more respect.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 6:07:41 PM

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Somebody needed attention and seems like it worked, at least for the moment.

Possibly, Michael... but I would consider a cry for attention that desperate to be a sign of some serious underlying problem. So whose fault would it be to allow a problem to fester to this point?

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 6:24:34 PM

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A Sub that knows and accepts her limits and rules is happy and well content. If she knowingly disobeys once then mild punishment should occur, but for repediately breaking her Masters Rule continually and knowing full well that she would be cheating on him. even using her own fingers or hands would be considerd Adultery. The severity of punnishment must fit her crime. Her Master's two Question's to her should be, " How many F---*ing times have you cheated on me with your hands or fingers?" And " Just how much Power should I relenquish to you so you can continually do this and cheat me of what you should be willing to give to me?"
I say take away her collar of pride strip her down to the lowest level say a foot slave. give her a dog's collar or a training collar, to remind her of her punnishment. Keep a chasity belt on her, have others continually watch over her and have her sleep alone for undertimed time, with no sheets, blankets, or pillows. then slowly reintroduce bedding as tokens of your retrust in her. and watching her to make sure she knows if she breaks the rules consequences must follow.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 6:25:20 PM

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Does anybody have any advice on how he could punish her?

If he feels he is partly to blame, then I would suggest on the next meeting no sex for either of them. She needs to know that he is also being punished for her misdeed. Sometimes, just simply knowing that my action caused a hardship for him as well as myself, is the worst punishment of all.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 6:27:53 PM

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How is her decision to repeatedly break rules even partially his fault, exactly?

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He may feel that he has failed her in his Domination. Example, a child repeatedly misbehaves due to the fact that the parent is lacking in his/her parenting skills.

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RE: How to punish a slave that has broken every rule? - 2/6/2007 6:42:59 PM

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The consequences of doing this in my relationship would be the end of the relationship.

By willfully disobeying she has removed her consent from the relationship. Not sure how a punishment is going to fix that.

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