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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/21/2007 4:36:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am very much opposed to the use of steroids. Better try to find whether an environmental factor is causing your problems. A viral infection? Diet? The clothes that you wear? Washing powder? Keep a food diary.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/21/2007 2:08:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Just a note to those who may be reading this ..

Prednisone can cause Diabetes, but it is * generally* with long term usage. And Steroid induced Diabetes very often disappears when the steroid is stopped. Most of the systemic complications from Prednisone and other corticosteroids are associated with long term use, not short term use.

I am pretty sure Feline is on what is commonly called a Medrol Pack. Which is a week or 10 day tapering dosing of prednisone. This is what is * generally * used to treat  acute episodes such as allergic reactions and hives.

Simply adding this so people won't get all freaked out if they need short term steroid therapy.

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The problem is when you have these acute outbreaks with some frequency.  I have had systemic allergies numerous times (and doctors are not able to determine the cause because they are usually associated with medications, not foods - such as medications containing Benedryl ) and have developed diabetes because of using the Medrol Packs. 

If she only has this one occurance of hives, she should indeed be fine.  However, people who do not know the cause of their allergies often have the allergies reappear and require more steroid treament.  I try to use the Atarax in place of the Prednisone if the hives are minor.  If they progress like Feline's have, then the prednisone or cortisone shot becomes necessary.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 12:36:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I keep breaking out repeatedly, sometimes after days of no itching then BAMN out of the clear blue welts. I had 8 pop up on one leg alone with in minutes of starting to itch. They were on my back and other places too, but most were my leg.

no food changes no clothing changes, I re itterate NOTHING is new, I have done ZERO new things, no new meds no new perfumes NOTHING. There's no logical or un logical explination they just keep exploding all over me in mass.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 1:08:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Feline, because you do not know if it is food or other things causing the allergies, might I suggest that you keep a diary for about a month or longer.

In the diary, write down all the foods you eat, all the medicines you take (including vitamins), any perfumes or detergents you have used (including brands of soap) for each day.  Hopefully you discover a pattern.  For instance on days you have welts develop, mark that in your diary too, and check to see other days that welts have developed to see if there is anything in common.  If you find multiple commonalities, try removing all of the similar items from your daily routine and gradually add back one at a time.  Only add one per week.  This will help you to eliminate things that are not causing welts and help you isolate the things that are.

I had to do this and discovered that most of my allergies are medicine related.  Whenever I start having random welts, I start journalling again to see what the cause may be.

I wish you luck, I know how miserable I am when suffering with welts.

*edited to add:  Allergies can come on suddenly.  Things you once were not allergic to you can become allergic to in time. 
When journaling your daily routines, be sure to include all the ingredients in the foods you eat.  If you simply write down "spaghetti" and do not include things such as mushrooms, garlic, tomatoes, etc. you will not get a full picture.  My uncle became allergic to mushrooms when he was 40, he loved mushrooms, but had to give them up because of the hives and his throat would close up, preventing him from breathing.  I was able to take Benedryl (diphenhydramine) when I was young, up until my early 20s.  Then one day, I took some Tylenol PM and wound up in the hospital with welts all over my body, my throat was closing up, my body temperature and blood pressure was dangerously low, and I nearly died.  Ironically, they were treating me with more Benedryl and my condition was getting worse.  In a brief moment of lucidity, I sat upright, and yelled "NO MORE BENEDRYL".  That saved my life.  They gave me a shot of cortisone instead and an hour later, I was recovering nicely. 

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 6:18:09 AM   
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Owned the dr won't do an allergy test pannel with out SOME idea what it is. I asked. he said as long as they do not have any clue at all what might be causing it they can't test for anything.


What?
A few months ago my son broke out in hives, almost his entire body was covered.  They treated him with some sort of cortisone, and then 2 weeks later arrangements were made to have him tested for allergies.  My family doctor insisted on it.  He siad that if we didn't find out the root of the problem he'd continue to have hives.  He is allergic to many things, too many to list, he's now taking allergy shots in order to desensitize him.  This has been going on for months. 
Are you seeing a family doctor or an allergist?


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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 9:38:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		See I don't think it's food cause I haven't eaten for several hours by time I break out. Like yesterday the only thing I ate all day was wheat thins at 10 Carls JR at noon, then popcorn at 5. I broke out at 9. I don't wear pefumes, I use dove soap, which the dr approves of, I spend all day naked well most days so I'm not in contact

Katy he's my general practisioner.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 10:15:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would suggest that you ask for a referral to an allergist.  There are so many things that can be making you break out, you'd be surprised.  Until you can determine the cause you are going to be struggling with this.  It may not be something you've ingested or put near your skin, it can be other things as well (mold, dust mites, to name a few)

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 4/25/2007 7:58:06 PM   
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An allegic reaction does not have to be from something new. One can develope an allergy to anything after years of using it. I grew up in the Penicillan age. Measles> give em Penicillan, chicken pox>> give em a shot of Penicillan, common cold  >>> another shot of Penecillan. At age 38, I developed a severe allergy to Penicillan. I had strep throat, they prescribed Pen, and I was ruched to the hospital a few hours after taking the first dose. The same thing has happened to me with 5 other drugs I had previously taken without problems. If your current MD is unwilling to do an allergy screem, do as Katy says, and get a referral to a specialist. I personally would not live with recurring hives without exhauting all avenues to find the cause.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/5/2007 7:21:35 AM   
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See I don't think it's food cause I haven't eaten for several hours by time I break out. Like yesterday the only thing I ate all day was wheat thins at 10 Carls JR at noon, then popcorn at 5. I broke out at 9. I don't wear pefumes, I use dove soap, which the dr approves of, I spend all day naked well most days so I'm not in contact



Hi Feline,

There's a big misconception, even between doctors, that food allergies have to be of the instantaneous type. This is only the case with the IgE mediated type I allergic reactions. There are other types of allergies, which are far more common, but go unnoticed, because their onset is delayed and therefore is not associated with the allergen. The most common of those is the IgG type, that can take hours to days to take effect. Much 'malaise' type complaints are in fact delayed allergic reactions to commonly ingested foods, or stuff you get into contact with by touch or inhalation, or even radiation. Outbreaks can be precipitated by immune-dips caused by stress or exhaustion.

Try to follow the advice of DomiDreams and write an 'exposure diary'. Then try to find substances or situations preceding outbreaks with a reproducable timeshift-pattern. Go back as far as two weeks, because some allergy-types have a delay of several weeks.

Many doctors equate allergy with IgE-mediated hypersensitivity. Not so. This is type I only. Type II is IgG mediated activation of cytotoxic cells, type III is deposition of immunecomplex followed by inflammation of tissue (e.g. skin), type IV is a delayed reaction by definition (>12 h) and is caused by sensitized T-cells, activating a cascade of immune substances (delayed as in: "granulomatous hypersensitivity reactions develop over a period of 21 - 28 days" Immunology, 5th ed., Roitt).

So that's why the diary is such a good advice. It's the only way to discover a pattern if there is one.

I tend to disagree with your doctor on the soap. Commercial soaps contain lots of chemicals which can cause allergy. Try switching for a week or so to special soaps without additives and an acidity adapted to the pH of the skin. Would not know which brands you have in the States. We have specialized stores for hypoallergenic products in Holland, there must be a few near you, which could give you advice as well.

Hope this will shed some light on the source of your problems.

K/R

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/6/2007 5:55:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kazinja, dove is very gentle, it's got some gentle moisterizer in it, and very little fragrence I've used it for 2 or 3 years now,  It's the only soap that didn't irritate my genitals when I washed,* and I tried lots before dove that did hurt* and it's fabulous on my face.. when I do use it on my face.

I could be allergic to something at the Animal Control Building, I started breaking out about the time when I started going, and I've been broke out ever since, but I don't come into direct contact with the dogs, and I don't handle chemicals, course we all know you don't have to handle anything nessisarily to get a reaction. I suppose the only way for me to tell would be stop going for a long time and then see if I still break out, but I do not wish to abandon my post there.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/6/2007 9:35:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh, you know you might be having a reaction to the topical flea treatment applied to the dogs.....you know stuff like Frontline and Advantage.  They are low doses of pesticides.  Or flea collars or flea dips or sprays or flea powders.

Or the dogs could be getting something rubbed on their fur from their environment like a sap or pollen and then you get exposed when you handle them.  I had a patient once that kept breaking out from poison ivy contact although he insisted he was not personally touching it.  Come to find out his dog was running thru a patch of the poison ivy and getting the oily allergy producing sap on his fur.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/7/2007 1:25:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		yeah it could be some kind of chemical I don't like. the thing I don't get is why the continual break out late at nght even when I haven't been around the shelter.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/7/2007 5:06:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		It could be like kazinja wrote that the way your body is processing these allergens is not a quick reaction but delayed for several hours.

If you usually notice the hives at a certain time or on certain days only then you are part of the way to solving the source.  You really do need to try to keep a diary or schedule of what you do, where you go and when you have these hives.  Because as time goes by and you continue to break out the possibility of developing a more serious allergic reaction grows.

Consider yourself a detective and find out the clues to what is causing your body to do this.  I know you can figure it out if you look at it like a puzzle to be solved.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/9/2007 6:24:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		DommeChains, I have new welts every single day. I wake up get online that's about it ,  yesterday had arbies and then a home cooked taco, before bed, go to bed except wednesday and friday I have school. I am usualy in the house all day doing nothing, hanging out online, putter about go to bed wake up with more. they pop upi n the middle of the night. or late evening, usualy not connected to anything else. Well seemingly not. Maybe it's mites or something causing a reaction. I finally got an appointment with the allergist.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/9/2007 7:57:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Um.... Knowing you I have to ask.. is you room clean?? if it is as messy as I know is usually is you could be growing something in your room that you are breathing in and is causeing your reaction I know you sometimes leave food garbage and stuff and I hate to say but that could cause it.


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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/9/2007 8:31:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		bratty, mm no, it's messy as always but it's mostly clothing and paper trash now. I don't think it is my room though, cause it's messy everyday of the year and I broke out in april.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/10/2007 4:39:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad to hear you are seeing an allergist.  Good luck to you.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/11/2007 7:50:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		He can't tell me anything new, he said it's not food nor pet related, I knew that, and  take benadryl in the morning afternoon and two at night, I've been doing that, except not 3 times a day. He said for some reason my body has just decided toproduce tons and tons of histamine, to much for me to handle, so I break out. he can't tell me why or when it'll go away, or even if it ever will, he said some people suffer these reactions for years with out knowing why.

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/12/2007 8:48:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that is an answer but not a very satisfying one, is it? sigh. 

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RE: How long will it take for a new steroid pill for hi... - 5/13/2007 11:24:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		No. It's not a satisfying answer. You're right. But it's not dangerous unless my airways swell from it, so aside from being painful, when I get a swollen lip from it, or the annoyance of constantly needing benadryl, It's managable.

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