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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:10:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Iatrogenic ED is a bitch, and if I see the doc that caused it again, he might come to learn that first-hand for a few hours after that encounter. Not that I'm advocating stereotypical male violence as a way to resolve conflicts with doctors, of course. Just that I've tried all the other options. (Joking about this, in case it wasn't obvious; in the spirit of there being a bit of toxic testosterone vapour from a certain female forumite and all.)

Can't really say I blame you. If a doc damaged my womanly bits or my ability to enjoy sex, I'd be more than a bit cross. To put it mildly.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:25:11 AM

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Considering you didn't think it either rude or insulting, and saw no reason to comment when the waitress slave attacked higher education as drivel or when the male agreed with her, you effectively condoned that sort of thing.

Actually, she didn't attack higher education as drivel.

She attacked you, but offered you the excuse that it could be attributed to your age group, or possibly to belonging to a certain subculture at your level in the educational system. Either would do as an excuse, if you want one.

What "the male" would point out, though, is that, at your reported age (which appears credible from the avatar picture), what you are attending, unless you skipped a bunch of years, hardly qualifies as "higher education".

As I recall from the Rind paper's justification for its choice of sample population, although I'll admit to being no expert on American demographics, about half the American population has completed it, making it pretty much a de facto definition of "average education". One you finish, that is.

If I'm wrong in that regard, or you've skipped tons of years, you should look up the femsub with 160 IQ. Don't know if she's a lesbian too, nor whether she subscribes to the feminazi school of femdoms, but it's worth a shot. By your manners, it could take a long time to find a suitable partner otherwise.

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My observations stand... ALL males, including yours are nothing without female validation.

You wouldn't happen to have grown up in a Gorean household?

Just trying to fit the pieces together as to how women get broken this way, or if you're joking.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:26:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Comments about about colleges and drivel aside, can I please please please please have front row tickets to that show? I'll be really good...

Fine by me if it's fine by her. Can't promise I'll be good, though.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:31:12 AM

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Sorry to do this, but what I was attacking the notion that the idea was drivel and would only be believed at colleges because it was drivel. I didn't start commenting on her until she started the whole DNA thing.

But then again, I also believe that it's not just men who want validation from their lover. Plenty of women take it very personally when a man doesn't climax.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:33:11 AM

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Comments about about colleges and drivel aside, can I please please please please have front row tickets to that show? I'll be really good...

Fine by me if it's fine by her. Can't promise I'll be good, though.

I think that would show would be very amusing. I'm a bit curious as to how her "all men need validation from women" statement applies to gay men though.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:37:49 AM

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Can't really say I blame you. If a doc damaged my womanly bits or my ability to enjoy sex, I'd be more than a bit cross. To put it mildly.

Well, he didn't so much do that, as he nearly killed me, despite my warnings that his idea was dumb.

The ED is just a side-effect of long-term hypophyseal failure.

I'm not as attached to the dangly bits as most men, though. I'd much rather have back my lost muscle and bone mass, expiration volume, heart stroke volume, and so forth. And I'm still happy I survived. I spent 6 hours dancing along that fine line that seperates clinical shock, in the fatal sense, from "mere" severe hypotension bordering on shock, most of it unconscious.

Still, if I see him again, I'll explain it to him. If he's taken aback, I'll be on my merry way. If he shrugs, I'll try very hard to refrain from breaking his pelvis bone when kicking his nuts back up where they belong.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:42:23 AM

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Ugh... I'm first to admit that docs aren't perfect and there is no such thing as a "safe" proceedure but there. There are things in the world that just make me grimance and go "Bad doctor, bad! No sexy intern for you!"

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:46:06 AM

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Sorry to do this, but what I was attacking the notion that the idea was drivel and would only be believed at colleges because it was drivel. I didn't start commenting on her until she started the whole DNA thing.

Yes, but the "waiter slave", as she called her, presumably the woman you replied to, did not.

And you can't fault her for the DNA thing. She probably just doesn't have a clue about the biological foundations of sexual dimorphisms in humans, and how this ties in with behavioural differences (as opposed to learned roles and stereotypes). That's hardly something new. I give her credit for going the route of "speaking, and thereby removing all doubt." Takes a lot of balls, that, no?

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But then again, I also believe that it's not just men who want validation from their lover. Plenty of women take it very personally when a man doesn't climax.

No sh*t.

Hope you'll pardon the language, but I believe it concisely and accurately conveys several layers of my response to that, particularly the last sentence.

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:55:51 AM

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Sorry to do this, but what I was attacking the notion that the idea was drivel and would only be believed at colleges because it was drivel. I didn't start commenting on her until she started the whole DNA thing.

Yes, but the "waiter slave", as she called her, presumably the woman you replied to, did not.

Ahh sorry. Got confused as to who was being talked about!

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And you can't fault her for the DNA thing. She probably just doesn't have a clue about the biological foundations of sexual dimorphisms in humans, and how this ties in with behavioural differences (as opposed to learned roles and stereotypes). That's hardly something new. I give her credit for going the route of "speaking, and thereby removing all doubt." Takes a lot of balls, that, no?

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But then again, I also believe that it's not just men who want validation from their lover. Plenty of women take it very personally when a man doesn't climax.

No sh*t.

Hope you'll pardon the language, but I believe it concisely and accurately conveys several layers of my response to that, particularly the last sentence.

No worries at all!

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 5:57:45 AM

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I think that would show would be very amusing. I'm a bit curious as to how her "all men need validation from women" statement applies to gay men though.

I dunno, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe she figures gay men are broken, while lesbians "get" it?

One way or the other, the show would probably be very amusing, yes.

Either, she's right, and I look like an idiot, which is fair enough; I doubt that one. Or, I'm right, and she looks like a right cute idiot, though most likely either miffed or ragged, depending on the tack she's taken; I find that more likely. I can be a good sport, either way, though. And half the fun is getting there, so...

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 6:00:23 AM

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I think that would show would be very amusing. I'm a bit curious as to how her "all men need validation from women" statement applies to gay men though.

I dunno, we'll have to wait and see. Maybe she figures gay men are broken, while lesbians "get" it?

One way or the other, the show would probably be very amusing, yes.

Either, she's right, and I look like an idiot, which is fair enough; I doubt that one. Or, I'm right, and she looks like a right cute idiot, though most likely either miffed or ragged, depending on the tack she's taken; I find that more likely. I can be a good sport, either way, though. And half the fun is getting there, so...

But for her to be right then all men are submissive and that seems to be very clearly disproven. Unless she believes that they just haven't met the right domme yet.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 7:26:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: peepeegirl5

Considering you didn't think it either rude or insulting, and saw no reason to comment when the waitress slave attacked higher education as drivel or when the male agreed with her, you effectively condoned that sort of thing.

Actually, she didn't attack higher education as drivel.

She attacked you, but offered you the excuse that it could be attributed to your age group, or possibly to belonging to a certain subculture at your level in the educational system. Either would do as an excuse, if you want one.

What "the male" would point out, though, is that, at your reported age (which appears credible from the avatar picture), what you are attending, unless you skipped a bunch of years, hardly qualifies as "higher education".

As I recall from the Rind paper's justification for its choice of sample population, although I'll admit to being no expert on American demographics, about half the American population has completed it, making it pretty much a de facto definition of "average education". One you finish, that is.

If I'm wrong in that regard, or you've skipped tons of years, you should look up the femsub with 160 IQ. Don't know if she's a lesbian too, nor whether she subscribes to the feminazi school of femdoms, but it's worth a shot. By your manners, it could take a long time to find a suitable partner otherwise.

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My observations stand... ALL males, including yours are nothing without female validation.

You wouldn't happen to have grown up in a Gorean household?

Just trying to fit the pieces together as to how women get broken this way, or if you're joking.

I appreciate your lead to Chomsky's propaganda model, I've enjoyed reading about it very much and see how it applies to many things, including public education. No, I don't subscribe to that Gorean trash, and my family is not a subject I care to discuss in this venue.

My pieces fit together as follows, Marianist Catholic education through 8th grade, followed by homeschooling. Homeschooling that was in the 19th century model of liberal arts. A curriculum that included countless assignments of 200-300ppg reports on everything from the Influences of middle kingdom T'ang Dynasty court etiquette on the emerging Japanese court to possible points of unification between superstring and chaos theory.

At the end of my first two semesters i've logged 75 hours towards my degree which is in RTF (Radio, Television, & Film). My career path includes special effects (SFX) for film, specifically makeup and prosthetics.

I impart these facts about myself to you because it will be our last chat. With all due respect, I find your posts ultimately non-productive to my interests in being here on CM. As a result I feel it is in my best interest to take your advice and block your posts so that I can concentrate on those I feel to be of value for me.

Please don't take this as a negative, you are NOT the only one I'll be doing this with. But you are the one I'm telling because I did find the Chomsky reference of real value, and felt that you deserved some respect in that matter.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 7:28:52 AM

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Please don't take this as a negative, you are NOT the only one I'll be doing this with. But you are the one I'm telling because I did find the Chomsky reference of real value, and felt that you deserved some respect in that matter.

*chuckles* Aww... I'm gonna get blocked!

Can anyone pinpoint the reason I don't feel like I'm missing anything?

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 8:50:48 AM

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But for her to be right then all men are submissive and that seems to be very clearly disproven. Unless she believes that they just haven't met the right domme yet.

Well, it could be conceivable that the idea is that they'll hook up as a couple, and then become service subs/slaves to a domme. I'm open to the idea; I don't have anything to prove to anyone. If she thinks she can make me submit, I'm willing to give it a go. But being in a different country, and her being a lesbian, kind of makes it unlikely that we'll get to test her hypothesis, unfortunately, unless she's up for a vacation.

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 9:14:41 AM

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peepeegirl5,

In case you didn't get around to that block yet.

Thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry to hear that you felt such a resolution was the most reasonable way for you to deal with this.

If you are reading this, I'd definitely like to read what you wrote on the influences of the T'ang Dynasty on the emerging Japanese courts, as that is a topic of significant interest to me. If not, I'll live.

You're welcome regarding the bit about Chomsky. He has a lot of interesting contributions to both linguistics and politics, plus some elsewhere. Reportedly a very arrogant fellow, according to my teacher in the subject of Modern West-European History (1890-1990), but arguably well-read and coherent. Regardless of how one feels about his views, one can but admire his tenacity.

Clearly, you misunderstood what I said about Gor, by the way. I did not mean to imply that you subscribed to it; nor do I subscribe to it. I was merely making a semi-humorous attempt at discerning why you have such a condescending view of all males.

I'm the one who usually comes over as condescending to men, you see.

And when someone goes far beyond what even I can support with regard to men, and makes it such a sweeping generalization as to explicitly state that it applies to me as well for the simple reason that I have the dangly bits, well ... that strikes me as a bit hostile.

With all due respect, if it was not apparent to you that I was being humorous (yes, I do have a sense of humour, despite what the expression on my avatar pic may look like), and that your posts came across as pretty clearly condescending and hostile without addressing the issues in question, then perhaps you would consider the possibility that there are a few areas where you have yet to mature, regardless of the level of education you have.

If you find my posts on other threads non-constructive, that's fine by me. I don't think those are of a lower standard than average, though, and I'd welcome any constructive criticism, whether from you or anyone else.

Either way, hope things work out for you.

I'm not putting you, or anyone else, on block, and haven't done so yet, as far as I can recall.

It doesn't solve any problems for me, and I've found that most people can be dealt with by communicating things clearly to them, at least so far. If it works for you, however, then that's great. To me, it seemed like you might just be joking, especially given that the replies didn't address the issues very much, so I returned that favour, in good faith. If you are reading this, however, I'd suggest PMing a complaint to me directly, and I'll resolve the issue. I try to be civil, in general.

To everyone else; the above bits apply to anyone else who might have a complaint, etc.

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We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 9:19:58 AM

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*chuckles* Aww... I'm gonna get blocked! Can anyone pinpoint the reason I don't feel like I'm missing anything?

Dunno.

She's made some sensible posts elsewhere.

But on this particular thread, there hasn't been much in the way of substantiating her views.

And I'd definitely argue that if she wasn't joking about the in-your-face way she posted along the way, then her attitude could go very far as an argument in several debates that I've been on the other end of so far. It certainly wasn't very civil, so I've been assuming that it was meant as a joke; kind of like with the slurpmeister.

Where is the slurpmeister, by the way?

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 10:15:09 AM

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WOW! I finally made it to the end, and I must say that through most of the reading of this thread I was impressed by the intelligence and thought that went into so many of the posts with the exception of a very few . (not naming names tho one whos initials ppg seems to do alot of prancing through many diffferent threads slinging insults and just off subject drivel will be goin into MY ignore box). I found this thread riveting and understood many of the different mindsets. Aswad I must say in other threads youve lost Me but in this one you've helped Me to understand various different areas of thought and I thank you for that. slave luci, LuckyAlbatross, tricia, and so many others , you stood by your words, you backed them up to the best of your ability, and regardless of whether "everyone" gets it , doesnt matter you get it, its right for you and your partner , and that is what truly counts in the end. daddysprop247 you did wonderfully in stating, restating, refining, and redefining what you were attempting to get across. I hope you and your Daddy have continued happiness . I followed this thread thru to its conclusion thinking at some point Id add something but its all been said.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 10:34:47 AM

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[...]ppg seems to do alot of prancing through many diffferent threads slinging insults and just off subject drivel will be goin into MY ignore box

Don't bother; it's easy to mentally discard whatever you don't like, and that way you don't miss any good posts.

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Aswad I must say in other threads youve lost Me but in this one you've helped Me to understand various different areas of thought and I thank you for that.

You're welcome. And remember, if I've lost you anywhere, just ask, or send me a message, pointing out the problem, and I'd be happy to explain differently, or try to improve my posts.

I try to be clear, but I don't always succeed, and when I fail, I need feedback to do better.

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I followed this thread thru to its conclusion thinking at some point Id add something but its all been said.

Kudos for reading through all of it. That's no small number of messages.

And kudos for managing to hold off posting until afterwards; I fail to do that very often.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 11:22:03 AM

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*chuckles* Aww... I'm gonna get blocked! Can anyone pinpoint the reason I don't feel like I'm missing anything?

Dunno.

She's made some sensible posts elsewhere.

But on this particular thread, there hasn't been much in the way of substantiating her views.

And I'd definitely argue that if she wasn't joking about the in-your-face way she posted along the way, then her attitude could go very far as an argument in several debates that I've been on the other end of so far. It certainly wasn't very civil, so I've been assuming that it was meant as a joke; kind of like with the slurpmeister.

Where is the slurpmeister, by the way?

Really? To tell the truth she hadn't said anything interesting enough to get my attention until now. I've checked over some of her past posts and don't see anything all that great. Something about peppers and some more stuff about how there is no such thing as a male dominant. But I could have always missed it. I'm open to admitting when I've misjudged someone.

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RE: Are there any Dominants who don't care about submis... - 6/6/2007 12:58:10 PM

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I've checked over some of her past posts and don't see anything all that great. [...] But I could have always missed it.

I'm not saying that she is an oracle, or whatever, but if my memory serves (which it might not, me being a highly fallible male and all) then there has been a mix between average content posts and a trolling style that could, by assuming good faith, be considered mascot'y in an affectionate way, kind of like the slurpmeister. Besides, it just wouldn't be very nice of me to assume someone is a complete twat, now, would it?

And you never know what might come up at some point; a block covers future posts, not just past posts.

E.g. the bits about T'ang Dynasty influences.

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I'm open to admitting when I've misjudged someone.

Me too, I'm just saying blocks doesn't leave anyone open to anything.

And trying to be civil and all, ref. the last of my sentences in the first paragraph of this post.

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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.

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