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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The first one is the bit of the myth in which the slave is in fact a person who has absolutely no limits. This is unrealistic since with any person we can endlessly list extreme and radical things and eventually we will find something that is a limit.

I dont even really have to make a list. I can simply say "Death". Would you kill yourself to fulfill the will of your master? I can safely say that the vast majority would say "No." While we can argue whether its possible to achieve the devotion and sacrifice of self to cross this limit, personally I have yet to meet anyone (Maybe because they are already dead...I dont know).

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

prop maybe that is done in order to test yourself.  If your Master ordered you to do something which is illegal would you?

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The first one is the bit of the myth in which the slave is in fact a person who has absolutely no limits. This is unrealistic since with any person we can endlessly list extreme and radical things and eventually we will find something that is a limit.

I dont even really have to make a list. I can simply say "Death". Would you kill yourself to fulfill the will of your master? I can safely say that the vast majority would say "No." While we can argue whether its possible to achieve the devotion and sacrifice of self to cross this limit, personally I have yet to meet anyone (Maybe because they are already dead...I dont know).

it is not so difficult to find a slave who would die at her Master's will. you have found one right here. *waving* [:)] if one can reach the point of accepting that their life is their Owner's, then one can accept that the Owner has the right to end that life. personally i can think of many things far more frightening and "extreme" than death.

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ORIGINAL: minnetar


i wont even go there because i won't stoop to demean myself. Sometimes trying to talk to others is futile when they are filled with so much hate.

minnetar

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

first i think that there are multiple ideas of "no limits" floating around, when it's really not that complicated of a concept imo. the way i was trained/taught, a slave was by definition "no limits" since she/he has given up all rights upon agreeing to become the property of another. and by no limits, that meant that the slave gave up all personal limits, and took on the limits of her/his Owner. some may take this to mean that there is no such thing as no limits, however if the limits are not your own and you have no control over them, i think that would qualify as no limits. so as a slave while i have no personal limits, my Master has limits which he places upon me. however these limits are subject to change at any time, and have absolutely nothing to do with shared values/desires/trust etc. there are certainly things my Master subjects me to that i would make limits if i were a free submissive.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

MadRabbit said: There is just a deep enough level of trust and understanding that the Master wont ask the slave to do something that would cross those limits.

i would say that's true for some, but not for all. in my case, my Master does what he wills, which means that i cannot count on him not crossing certain lines or boundaries. actually it's quite the contrary, sometimes he crosses those lines just to make the point that he can, and sometimes he crosses them just because he wants to do what he wants to do, and the end result (damage to me) is not relevant. it can be immensely difficult at times, especially from an emotional standpoint as i can be a very sensitive person, however it's something i accepted when i came into this life. this is "no limits."

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ORIGINAL: tricia

You are the very reason why when people simply say, "no limit slavery" is a myth - it highly irritates me.  There is an exception to every rule. 
 
I always say that i believe myself to be a no limits slave in the confines of my relationship for the very reasons MadRabbit stated.  Frankly, there has been a few occasions when the man i serve has directed me to do something i originally believed were outside of His own limits- but while these activities may hurt 'my being' for a short time - there is no long term scarring, emotionally nor physically.
 
I think you are a rarity.  I appreciate your point of view.  Always makes me think.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

The first one is the bit of the myth in which the slave is in fact a person who has absolutely no limits. This is unrealistic since with any person we can endlessly list extreme and radical things and eventually we will find something that is a limit.

I dont even really have to make a list. I can simply say "Death". Would you kill yourself to fulfill the will of your master? I can safely say that the vast majority would say "No." While we can argue whether its possible to achieve the devotion and sacrifice of self to cross this limit, personally I have yet to meet anyone (Maybe because they are already dead...I dont know).

it is not so difficult to find a slave who would die at her Master's will. you have found one right here. *waving* [:)] if one can reach the point of accepting that their life is their Owner's, then one can accept that the Owner has the right to end that life. personally i can think of many things far more frightening and "extreme" than death.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


I appreciate your viewpoints. There is exceptions to every rule. I certainly didnt mean to say "It cant happen" as opposed to speaking in more general terms.

But you will have to forgive me if I remain highly skeptical regarding the merits of this. Self sacrifice and suicide are two of the most testing of acts. It requires a lot of force of will to override the natural desire to live or the complete lack of a will to live due to horrible circumstances.

Basically, what I am saying, is its a lot easier to say it as opposed to doing it.

Sure, there is more horrendous things than death, but death has absolutely no chance of recovery.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: tricia

You are the very reason why when people simply say, "no limit slavery" is a myth - it highly irritates me.  There is an exception to every rule. 
 
I always say that i believe myself to be a no limits slave in the confines of my relationship for the very reasons MadRabbit stated.  Frankly, there has been a few occasions when the man i serve has directed me to do something i originally believed were outside of His own limits- but while these activities may hurt 'my being' for a short time - there is no long term scarring, emotionally nor physically.
 
I think you are a rarity.  I appreciate your point of view.  Always makes me think.

thanks tricia. and i really don't mean to make anything sound easy when most of us know it's not, and i also don't consider myself to be any better than any other slave. there are slaves i admire who make it all look so easy...they are so calm, peaceful, accepting: "my Master broke 3 of my ribs and made me eat sh*t today. then we had lunch and watched TV." lol...and while i might preach the same philosophies they do, i'm not always so serene and accepting deep down. instead i'm afraid, nervous, sometimes depressed, sometimes even angry. ranting and raving in the confines of my own head...why'd he break my ribs? doesn't he care about me? what if i get sick from eating his sh*t? doesn't he care about that? and then he actually has the nerve to expect me to go about the rest of my day as normal, eating food and watching tv!!!....lol...that doesn't happen as often now, i am for the most part accepting, however those internal struggles still rear their head every now and again.

the OP asked how one goes about becoming a no limits slave. well the answer to that is simple, find a Master who seeks and demands such. now a better question imo would be how does a no limit slave go about staying sane and at peace? i'd sneak a peak at the responses to that one.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


I appreciate your viewpoints. There is exceptions to every rule. I certainly didnt mean to say "It cant happen" as opposed to speaking in more general terms.

But you will have to forgive me if I remain highly skeptical regarding the merits of this. Self sacrifice and suicide are two of the most testing of acts. It requires a lot of force of will to override the natural desire to live or the complete lack of a will to live due to horrible circumstances.

Basically, what I am saying, is its a lot easier to say it as opposed to doing it.

Sure, there is more horrendous things than death, but death has absolutely no chance of recovery.

death is not a frightening thing to me. some of us have no natural drive to live, or lost it long ago. others have it conditioned out of them by determined Masters. sometimes there is a bit of both.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I think our definitions are very similar, but just different on semantics.

In theory, I could make a no limit slave do anything I want. I just dont. I could make her swallow HIV infected blood. I could make her break her own foot. I wont even consider doing either because her well being would trully be jeopardized.

I dont want to question your relationship, but do you feal that there is certain things that you trust your Master wont do because they would truly harm you?

no, that's not something i could say with any confidence. there are things i can say with pretty much 100% certainty that he would never do or subject me to (like making me serve a female Dominant), but not because they would harm me, but rather because they go against his personal beliefs or he just finds them distasteful.

Do you worry on a regular basis that he is going to do something that is going to trully permentantly harm you?

depends what you mean by "regular basis." daily? no. weekly? sometimes. it just depends on his mood at a particular time. if he's in a mellow period, i don't worry at all. if he's in a more perv period, i'm worrying by the minute.

I dont feal shared desires are a part of it. My desires arent going to change. Its more the shared trust part that I feal makes the concept work.

Limits also has a big of a loose definition. When I think of "limits", I think of things that someone "can't" do as opposed to things they "won't" do. Of course, we can argue that there is really nothing someone "cant" do if they have enough willpower, but I think realistically, people "cant" do things. I cant have sex with a child. I cant kill myself. This is drastically different to my previous submissive's limit on "exercise" she made when I announced my views on working out.
 
ahhh...i tend to think of limits, in the way we mean them here, as things that a person "won't" do. but i do understand what you mean here. the "can't"s i would just refer to as limitations/physical impossibilities, not limits.


I dont everything about the M/S lifestyle and certainly dont have the experience to know how to handle every situation. I certainly dont want to say my definition is the only way though.



Do you feal that anything your Master has done has caused serious, if not permentant, harm?
 
some things, yes. more emotional and psychological harm than physical.


Damage is a broad definition. I can cause damage when cutting someone threw SM play. The damage though is part of the play.
 
yes true, many of these terms are subjective. when i say "damage" i mean permanent harm or injury, whether physical or otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


Well nevermind regarding my first post lol.

You certainly addressed most of my points and questions with this antedote.

Of course, I never meant to say this way was a myth, just a "bit of a myth" and certainly not for me.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I think our definitions are very similar, but just different on semantics.

In theory, I could make a no limit slave do anything I want. I just dont. I could make her swallow HIV infected blood. I could make her break her own foot. I wont even consider doing either because her well being would trully be jeopardized.

I dont want to question your relationship, but do you feal that there is certain things that you trust your Master wont do because they would truly harm you?

no, that's not something i could say with any confidence. there are things i can say with pretty much 100% certainty that he would never do or subject me to (like making me serve a female Dominant), but not because they would harm me, but rather because they go against his personal beliefs or he just finds them distasteful.

Do you worry on a regular basis that he is going to do something that is going to trully permentantly harm you?

depends what you mean by "regular basis." daily? no. weekly? sometimes. it just depends on his mood at a particular time. if he's in a mellow period, i don't worry at all. if he's in a more perv period, i'm worrying by the minute.

I dont feal shared desires are a part of it. My desires arent going to change. Its more the shared trust part that I feal makes the concept work.

Limits also has a big of a loose definition. When I think of "limits", I think of things that someone "can't" do as opposed to things they "won't" do. Of course, we can argue that there is really nothing someone "cant" do if they have enough willpower, but I think realistically, people "cant" do things. I cant have sex with a child. I cant kill myself. This is drastically different to my previous submissive's limit on "exercise" she made when I announced my views on working out.
 
ahhh...i tend to think of limits, in the way we mean them here, as things that a person "won't" do. but i do understand what you mean here. the "can't"s i would just refer to as limitations/physical impossibilities, not limits.


I dont everything about the M/S lifestyle and certainly dont have the experience to know how to handle every situation. I certainly dont want to say my definition is the only way though.



Do you feal that anything your Master has done has caused serious, if not permentant, harm?
 
some things, yes. more emotional and psychological harm than physical.


Damage is a broad definition. I can cause damage when cutting someone threw SM play. The damage though is part of the play.
 
yes true, many of these terms are subjective. when i say "damage" i mean permanent harm or injury, whether physical or otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: gloriousangel

Need some help here can you tell me what entails me to becoming a no limit slave what do I need to do