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FelinePersuasion -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/5/2007 10:02:58 PM)
I ran into the very thing with my Dominant. He said I was his slave and I said no I am a submissive, slaves have zero privilages only the things Master agree's to give, and they have no right to say no, and I sure do not give up my rights to say no. Well James says he doesn't think slaves have to give up rights to say no, and I belong to him don't I, I said yes, and he said then you're in my definition my slave. So basically I learned he can call me what ever he wants, because our idea's and limits match so well. quote:* ORIGINAL: minnetar lmao i never doubted that. Sorry edited to add that i have had Doms ask me whether i could be a slave and that has basically been my response. If i would have the same values as You do, then i would do what You ordered without question. So i guess that would mean i would be a slave but i consider myself a submissive to make sure i can reach that level. minnetar

FelinePersuasion -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/5/2007 10:08:33 PM)
Just me personally, but I'd find any one who'd be willing to kill themself because I ordered them to, mentally unstable and someone I'd run faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar far away from. quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit [I dont even really have to make a list. I can simply say "Death". Would you kill yourself to fulfill the will of your master? I can safely say that the vast majority would say "No." While we can argue whether its possible to achieve the devotion and sacrifice of self to cross this limit, personally I have yet to meet anyone (Maybe because they are already dead...I dont know).

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/5/2007 11:35:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: minnetar prop maybe that is done in order to test yourself. If your Master ordered you to do something which is illegal would you? minnetar I will never understand why people think legalities or some general morality is somehow a sign of no limits. I'd kill people, I'd kill myself, I'd steal, I'd lie, I'd do a whole list of illegal things- heck doing drugs is illegal and I willingly and happily do that. I don't need a master to allow me or order to do them- for me, a limit is a limit. I won't do it no matter who would tell me to do it for whatever reason they would tell me. If it's not a limit- I'd do it whether someone told me to do it or not. In fact I'd probably throw myself in front of a bus to save my nephew even if ordered not to by my owner. I'd be disobedient, but I'm ok with that. Forget legalities and forget what proper people think is ok- think about reality, think about what YOU need to stay true and healthy in YOUR life. That's where limits come from.

simplyangelic1 -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/5/2007 11:55:05 PM)
When the subject of "no limit slaves" comes up it makes me wonder, do they think of everything that could possibly happen to them? I've been asked this a few times, and it caused me to stop and think. One Dom asked if I could handle him taking my ch!ld as a slave too and both of us becoming breeders. As a no limits slave you do open yourself to whatever may cross a Dominant's mind. Do you really want to be used by a dog? Or as a toilet? What about never being allowed to speak to any friends or family and being kept completely isolated except when being used? You have to think about everything and if you answer no to any of them, then you aren't a "no limits" slave. Doesn't mean that your aren't a slave. Just means that you need to discuss your limits with potential partners and see if you can't find someone who shares your views on certain things.

gloriousangel -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/5/2007 11:59:32 PM)
Thank you all so much for your help. Yes I may of wordied the question wrong and I am sorry about that. I found that a interesting read and I think you are all right I may have limits but I dont know what they are as I have not found them. I have found a few though when reading all the posts on here Just want to say a Big thank you

jaunty1 -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 1:18:45 AM)
Melissa will do anything that I ask her; on this I put one stipulation at the very beginning of our relationship; and that was if at any time SHE felt that her life was in danger; she was to fight back. And yes, I have tested this and she has a mean temple jab that can pretty much paralyze the biggest of us. Live well Alex

aldompdx -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 1:19:06 AM)
The TRUE limits which one must transcend on the path of surrender are their own preconceptions, beliefs, and delusions that love comes from anyplace but their own heart. And, to overcome the doubt that they are worthy of that awareness, experience, and inner bliss. The physical acts in pursuit of such experience are merely symbols which the ego associates as the cause of the experience. While there may be no limits to one's fantasies, every person has limits. The ultimate limit is the termnination of life. "No limits" play is simply self abuse. It is typically a severe form of bargaining, or giving to get. So, what are the limits you really believe you want to overcome? What is the real feeling you want to experience as a result?

NControlofU -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 5:50:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gloriousangel No I would not want that either so that is two I have found so far Branded is that when you have it branded onto a part of your body my master wants me to have that done You want to learn what it takes to become a "no limit" slave and you don't know what it means? Why do you want to beome a "no limit" slave? Is that what your Master is wanting? Have you asked him what he means? If not, why don't you ask your Master what it means to him? Your Master wants to have you branded and he didn't tell you what branding is or how he will have it done? You're not allowed to ask your Master questions? Your Master doesn't allow you to talk with him about things you don't understand? How can you serve someone, properly, without understanding what it is he wants you to do? As a Master, it is one of my responsibilities to inform my slave about things that she doesn't know or understand, especially things that are going to affect her life. I make a point of asking her, "Do you understand?" and "Do you have any questions?" And, she better tell me if she doesn't understand something I have said to her or has any questions about what I have told her. If she says that she does understand and, later on, she tries to say that she didn't understand what I was talking about, then she has not been honest with me and that is unacceptable to me.

GloriousJen -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 9:46:03 AM)
Thank you very much Fully agree.

Ericus1 -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 10:04:25 AM)
Be sure there is an extreme level of trust between you. I spent over 3 years as a no-limit slave to my wife. It worked ok for us. But there were ALOT of things i didn't like doing that She had me do. Find the 10 things you think are the most extreme and hate the very idea of the most. Will you do everyone one of those things for him, everyday? If not, don't do a no-limits contract. ericus

MadRabbit -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/6/2007 3:52:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aldompdx The TRUE limits which one must transcend on the path of surrender are their own preconceptions, beliefs, and delusions that love comes from anyplace but their own heart. And, to overcome the doubt that they are worthy of that awareness, experience, and inner bliss. The physical acts in pursuit of such experience are merely symbols which the ego associates as the cause of the experience. While there may be no limits to one's fantasies, every person has limits. The ultimate limit is the termnination of life. "No limits" play is simply self abuse. It is typically a severe form of bargaining, or giving to get. So, what are the limits you really believe you want to overcome? What is the real feeling you want to experience as a result? Thank you! This is where my view of a no limits relationship stems from. You expressed my issues with the concept of "no limits" better than I could have.

GloriousJen -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 12:23:21 AM)
Thank you he has found was of punishing me that i dont like. But i will take all this on board

MissOchistic -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 1:19:51 AM)
No limit slave? Think of the worst thing that can happen to you, possibly. The very worst that you would never want. Now tell someone it's okay to do that whenever they like. That's no-limit.

aldompdx -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 3:23:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissOchistic No limit slave? Think of the worst thing that can happen to you, possibly. That's no-limit. And to add, not diminish... I would say that TRUE "no-limit" exceeds even what one can begin to imagine. Most americans have never experienced REAL torture (and my heart goes out to those veterans or survivors who have). Some labels used in BDSM are very far removed from what they really mean, and the true horror of that experience.

OsideGirl -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 11:33:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied There is no such thing as a no limits slave .... they just haven't yet met their limits. Yup. Whenever we meet a "no limit sub/slave" Master always says..."Go down to the convenience store, rob it and kill the clerk. Then after you come back we'll hang you from a shark hook." Suddenly, they develop limits.

mistoferin -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 12:28:13 PM)
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WilliamWizer -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 12:40:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied There is no such thing as a no limits slave .... they just haven't yet met their limits. Yup. Whenever we meet a "no limit sub/slave" Master always says..."Go down to the convenience store, rob it and kill the clerk. Then after you come back we'll hang you from a shark hook." Suddenly, they develop limits. that was fun. but I think that with the expresion of "no limits" usually they refer to "my only limits are those imposed by Master judgement. I belive he will take care of me and won't ask me to do anything that will harm me or send me to jail."

cjenny -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 1:05:14 PM)
I think that the majority see it that way as well, at least I have picked up that impression from a lot of reading. Maybe some just can't help but insist that things like water/food/shelter are supposed to be negotiated in a no-limit relationship..however I have never seen it brought up in any other talk about limits hard or soft. It is only with 'no limits'. I don't know if it's done out of lazy thinking or a refusal to entertain a different mindset.. [8\|] For me, the assumption of the life basics are covered and everything else is up to the master.

GrizzlyBear -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 1:16:10 PM)
Some "No Limits" stories I have heard: One girl was a "no limits" slave for ten years, towards the end her master was drinking heavily and became more and more abusive, often beating her severely. Finally one night he got very drunk, broke her arm, and stabbed her several times, then passed out. She crawled out to the street, where passersby found her and called the police. She was taken to hospital, he was arrested and went to prison for attempted murder. She eventually decided not to wait for him to get out, that the contract was broken when he tried to kill her. In a nearby city a couple of "masters" decided they needed more money for drugs, so they thought they would make a porno video and sell it. They decided it would sell better if they had Japanese girls in it, but they didn't know any, so they kidnapped a couple of them from a nearby college. They ordered their slaves to assist them in the kidnapping and the bondage, torture, and rapes that followed. Eventually the girls were released, all the conspirators were captured and the video they took was used in the trial. All are serving 20+ years in Federal prison. A friend of mine, in her first D/s relationship, told her Master that she had no limits. So he amused himself testing her. He finally found some, when he ordered her to out herself in detail to her family, to procure her daughters (ages 16 and 21) for him to have sex with, and to go to the mall and offer to give blowjobs to teenage boys. She decided she did have limits after all. He decided she was no fun if she had limits, and released her. Then there were the Manson girls. Murdered all those people because their Master ordered it. Those who say no limits, would you do these things? Would you come back to a master who had tried to kill you, so he could finish the job? Would you help him commit a major crime, or kill pregnant women for him? Would you procure your daughters for him? Would you seduce children for his pleasure, in such a way that you would almost certainly be arrested? (Edited because I sent too soon, and it wasn't finished)

WilliamWizer -> RE: Question about a no limit slave (5/7/2007 1:41:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GrizzlyBear Some "No Limits" stories I have heard: One girl was a "no limits" slave for ten years, towards the end her master was drinking heavily and became more and more abusive, often beating her severely. Finally one night he got very drunk, broke her arm, and stabbed her several times, then passed out. She crawled out to the street, where passersby found her and called the police. She was taken to hospital, he was arrested and went to prison for attempted murder. She eventually decided not to wait for him to get out, that the contract was broken when he tried to kill her. In a nearby city a couple of "masters" decided they needed more money for drugs, so they thought they would make a porno video and sell it. They decided it would sell better if they had Japanese girls in it, but they didn't know any, so they kidnapped a couple of them from a nearby college. They ordered their slaves to assist them in the kidnapping and the bondage, torture, and rapes that followed. Eventually the girls were released, all the conspirators were captured and the video they took was used in the trial. All are serving 20+ years in Federal prison. A friend of mine, in her first D/s relationship, told her Master that she had no limits. So he amused himself testing her. He finally found some, when he ordered her to out herself in detail to her family, to procure her daughters (ages 16 and 21) for him to have sex with, and to go to the mall and offer to give blowjobs to teenage boys. She decided she did have limits after all. He decided she was no fun if she had limits, and released her. Then there were the Manson girls. Murdered all those people because their Master ordered it. Those who say no limits, would you do these things? Would you come back to a master who had tried to kill you, so he could finish the job? Would you help him commit a major crime, or kill pregnant women for him? Would you procure your daughters for him? Would you seduce children for his pleasure, in such a way that you would almost certainly be arrested? (Edited because I sent too soon, and it wasn't finished) no. because a simple minor detail. the people you mention are not masters of anything. they are only abusers that call master themselves. a true master would have never ask his slave to do that kind of things.

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