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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 2:04:26 AM   
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I know nothing about Green Berets and could care less John. My mentioning them and 80 years was simply an example. For all I know Green Berets could have been founded yesterday or 6000 years ago. That is not nor never was my point.
Some people think out of the box. Most don't. Regardless if its a discussion of history, religion, finance, education, civil rights whatever, the majority of Americans repeat from rote memorization the things that have been pounded into their heads, be it true, partially true or totally false. We laugh and mock other nations, religions and cultures as if they are all a bunch of illiterate peons and strut around with an air of superiorty. Let me give a few examples please (and yea I know this is off-topic).
Finance. I regularly hear people bragging about how high their credit scores are. It seems the majority of fellow Americans/sheep are impressed by this. Sadly the are to ignorant to be able to think for themselves and figure out what that means. They act like its a hard earned badge of honor or something, but actually it means they are a fool that borrows a lot of money. Thats really all a credit score is. Its rate or cap goes up based on how much money someone has borrowed and their credit card debt and of course repayment. Rich people don't have nor need a credit score.
Education. Again, people fight to get into "esteemed" colleges, pay a fortune, learn a good deal by way of archaic industrial age thought process, are oh so proud of their over priced "education". Some get out and a few actually even find a job in their field. Most Americans base "doing good" on 6 figures and use that to compare themselves to others. Its all about 6 figures. Chump change to some of us. And I laugh my ass off as people herald from the mountain tops the alphabet soup after their name and their little titles. Hell I've even seen losers post their degrees on their profiles here, lol. 
Politics. Well look, A bunch of morons "elected" (see Diebold and Supreme Court) Bush not only once but twice. Some of these jackasses are still running around babbling about the connection between 9/11 and Iraq. They watch 20 minutes of CNN  (or worse Fox) and read the Sunday headlines and the comics page and consider themselves to be "informed". 
Religion. Whatever. No evidence to support Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc etc but the sheep follow word for word text written a couple thousand years ago like its God's word. Its not. Its made up parables and little missives, thats it.
My point is that many others see the world through the eyes of the propaganda that runs the US machine. I see in many cases what moronic jackasses they are. Being the flock and to blind to see that they are being fleeced. Whats the saying? If the masses knew the truth they would drag their leaders through the streets.
I may discuss a few things in general or a concept. Perhaps it will inspire others to also think outside the box, maybe not. When I get bored I find something else. Some people like to discuss things they find interesting. Others (no shortage of them here and not implying you) seem to come to forums to try to prove how smart they are or to stroke their egos. Which is about the most shallow and pathetic thing I can imagine. Anyway,,,,
P.S. When Spain pulled out their virtually was no government to speak of. As I mentioned to whatever his name is to some their is police action/peacekeeping missions etc for multiple reasons. Thats not the same as overthrowing govts. and invasion per a religious doctrine and to promote "democracy" via Bush and PFNAC. Yea yea, potato, "potaaato" etc.
To the anal ( again not you) my comment about "American presidents" could be wrong as there may well have been a "South American President" who did whatever. And yes prior to "America" being known as we know it, maybe "Oog and Gluck" (cavemen) got into a fight and one jumped the bering Strait right as it was breaking apart. I suppose that could be an "invasion and occupation" as well but I prefer to leave that type of asinine debating to,,, well you know who. Have a "delightful" evening, lol.  (Ah I kill myself sometimes).
P.S., If anyone doesnt like my off topic rant don't read it, (oops, to late, lol).


It's "could not care less". 

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 2:07:14 AM   
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It's "could not care less". 
 

Lol. How do you know? Maybe I could, or could not care less. Or should not care less, but could care more.

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 4:15:19 AM   
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I know nothing about Green Berets and could care less John. My mentioning them and 80 years was simply an example.


I suspect you "could not care less."

As has happened so often in this exchange, you gave an example of something factually wrong like your primary assertation about which we've been discussing. 

Really, if you knew anything of history you'd be a lot more effective in your criticism of Bush.  But I'm beginning to suspect you're more interesting in discrediting the opposition to Bush than making any real point.

I have to wonder if you really trying unsuccessfully to show that the resistence to the war are many up of ignorant, no-nothing loudmouths. 

It's to dispell that illusion that Art and I have been correcting you.

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 7:19:36 AM   
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not to defend anyone who hasn't cracked open a history book, i would like to say this thread did start out with the fairly recent and not the distant past.  More like JF and an email that had some truthiness about SSN# some paper and writing impliment (im sure the vietcong had a good account of what the prisoners had in their possession)

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 7:41:07 AM   
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if we are going to correct history here, lets get a few things straight.  Columbus' goal was not to prove the world wasn't flat, even the church in that day conceded that.  He was trying to find a better route to the East. the nay sayers were telling him he would run out of provisions and die.  He would probably run out of provition near Atlanta and died around Austin, if they weren't there.
Paul Revere's ride only lasted 19 miles before he was stopped, it was Isreal Bissel that made it to Philadelphia.  No one would be yelling in that time period "the brittish are comming" because we were brittish.  any more?

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/1/2006 8:07:34 AM   
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I'm not sure what the point of this post is exactly. It's long been accepted that Longfellow's poem was far from accurate. It's also long been accepted that Columbus' purpose was to find a trade route west to the (East) Indies.

But as you've brought it up, Revere was never a rider headed to Philidephia. He was heading towards Concord and Lexington from Charlestown (Boston). He was acompanied by Dawes (and they later met up with Prescott). They made it to Lexignton in time to deliver warning. They were stopped on the way to Concord. Dawes and Prescott were able to leave in relatively short order, with Prescott delivering the warning to Concord. Revere had held for a good chunk of time and was released, but his horse was cofiscated. Revere arrived back at Lexington on foot just in time to see the battle begin.

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/29/2006 5:37:57 AM   
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As a Viet Nam vet, I can never forgive her.   Free speach is one thing, giving aid and comfort to the enemy is another all toghther.

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RE: Jane Fonda - 6/29/2006 7:04:12 AM   
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....As has happened so often in this exchange, you gave an example of something factually wrong like your primary assertation about which we've been discussing. 

Really, if you knew anything of history you'd be a lot more effective in your criticism of Bush.  But I'm beginning to suspect you're more interesting in discrediting the opposition to Bush than making any real point.

I have to wonder if you really trying unsuccessfully to show that the resistence to the war are many up of ignorant, no-nothing loudmouths. 

It's to dispell that illusion that Art and I have been correcting you.



I believe you have deduced correctly. 

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