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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 10:54:29 AM

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You bible thump

Seems quite appropriate. Just because it's biblical doesn't make it wrong.

Just because its biblical doesnt make it right or moral either...

You beat me to it.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:00:17 AM

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Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Lets look at the facts. How much did you invest, what effort, or what did you risk to get your 32 grand? what effort, investment, risk, etc did your parents make to get their cash?

Lets see...

Parents - cars paid off, house paid off, college loans paid off...
Me - still paying for car, still paying rent, still paying for college

Otherwise, gas and car insurance (the general working investments of the average working person)
Except, my round trip was 1.5 hours a day, theirs was 10 minutes COMBINED, not to mention the redonkulous difference in not only car insurance (I pay twice what they do every 6 months, they are combined, Im alone) and the difference in gas prices (same state, but where I am gas is generally 10-15 cents more per gallon than back home).

The way I see it, I invested more every day to work than they did.

We dont gamble on stocks, my family works for its money.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:00:17 AM

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I just find it interesting that so many wish to complain about general welfare... when corporate welfare cost around 100B in 2012.

I saw a figure that quoted it at 92B in 2006

Amazing logic. When corporations get "corporate welfare" to insure their survival so they can continue to provide jobs, Liberals scream "FOUL!!!"

When Obama blows hundreds of millions on green losers, that didn't provide shit, or, at best, produce a few jobs at a cost of $200,000 per low paying job, Liberals adore him!

In all fairness the libs did applaud Government Motors.

for the sake of fairness, the saving of General Motors and Chrysler, that Libs credit Obama for doing, and Obama's campaign brags about, was started by the Bush administration as was stated by the debate fact checkers.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:02:47 AM

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Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Just for argument sake -

If you and your parents paid no income taxes at all, would you call their income unfair? Do you begrudge others what they earn?

If in thirty years your income is equivalent to your parents today, how much taxation would you state would be fair?

Should a national income level be set in that everyone, on April 15th, either pay or receive as to make their income at that declared national level? Would that not be absolutely fair? The doctor and the janitor both equal in the eyes of income fairness? Why should the doctor enjoy what the janitor cannot?

Now, if that is not acceptable, whom shall decide what shall be fair? Those from whom is taken (taxation), or those to whom is given (recipients)?

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:03:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: papassion

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I just find it interesting that so many wish to complain about general welfare... when corporate welfare cost around 100B in 2012.

I saw a figure that quoted it at 92B in 2006

Amazing logic. When corporations get "corporate welfare" to insure their survival so they can continue to provide jobs, Liberals scream "FOUL!!!"

When Obama blows hundreds of millions on green losers, that didn't provide shit, or, at best, produce a few jobs at a cost of $200,000 per low paying job, Liberals adore him!

In all fairness the libs did applaud Government Motors.

for the sake of fairness, the saving of General Motors and Chrysler, that Libs credit Obama for doing, and Obama's campaign brags about, was started by the Bush administration as was stated by the debate fact checkers.

The libs applaud something Bush started? OH! The irony!

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“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:04:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

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ORIGINAL: papassion

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Lets look at the facts. How much did you invest, what effort, or what did you risk to get your 32 grand? what effort, investment, risk, etc did your parents make to get their cash?

Lets see...

Parents - cars paid off, house paid off, college loans paid off...
Me - still paying for car, still paying rent, still paying for college

Otherwise, gas and car insurance (the general working investments of the average working person)
Except, my round trip was 1.5 hours a day, theirs was 10 minutes COMBINED, not to mention the redonkulous difference in not only car insurance (I pay twice what they do every 6 months, they are combined, Im alone) and the difference in gas prices (same state, but where I am gas is generally 10-15 cents more per gallon than back home).

The way I see it, I invested more every day to work than they did.

We dont gamble on stocks, my family works for its money.

Nice try, again, what sacrifices did mom and dad have to make to get the cash to pay for the car, houses, etc. etc. Or did the "good fairy" dump a load of cash on them?

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:06:45 AM

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It's incredible that someone could think that if their neighbor were only taxed at 10% while them self were taxed at 50% their neighbor was the recipient of a gift (being given something). Just how convoluted can one get in their thinking process? It's tantamount to holding that a thief, stealing less from your neighbor than yourself, somehow bestowed some form of giving (a gift) upon your neighbor.

Again, I wait for credible citations of the 50% tax rate, the people who think that and how it applies to thieves, since your elected represntatives have set tax law, as it was, is and shall be, and done so with your blessings.

Dance. Dance. Dance. You covetous progressive.

Squirm like a worm. You covetous regressive.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:07:08 AM

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You bible thump

Seems quite appropriate. Just because it's biblical doesn't make it wrong.

Just because its biblical doesnt make it right or moral either...

You beat me to it.

So envy and coveting are moral are they? Not surprising, given what progressives espouse.

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“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:09:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Just for argument sake -

If you and your parents paid no income taxes at all, would you call their income unfair? Do you begrudge others what they earn?

If in thirty years your income is equivalent to your parents today, how much taxation would you state would be fair?

Should a national income level be set in that everyone, on April 15th, either pay or receive as to make their income at that declared national level? Would that not be absolutely fair? The doctor and the janitor both equal in the eyes of income fairness? Why should the doctor enjoy what the janitor cannot?

Now, if that is not acceptable, whom shall decide what shall be fair? Those from whom is taken (taxation), or those to whom is given (recipients)?

You make no sense. No, I don't begrudge them what they earn. They have put in their time, earned their raises and busted ass doing so.

What I DO take issue with is that someone (me) who could (at the time) could barely feed himself and pay his bills (at the time, no internet, no cable, no phone. Just rent, food, vehicle expenses, and college loans) would pay more every year than the pair that has absolutely no problems paying their bills and takes an average of 3 over seas vacations a year.

And yea, I see where you are trying to bait a socialist response out of me. Yea, I have a few socialist ideals (universal healthcare, a base standard of living for all citizens, those are the only two) but they have nothing to do with this conversation. We aren't talking about what if's, we are talking about what happeneds.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:11:53 AM

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So envy and coveting are moral are they? Not surprising, given what progressives espouse.

given what regressives espouse envy and coveting are their morals.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:12:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Lets look at the facts. How much did you invest, what effort, or what did you risk to get your 32 grand? what effort, investment, risk, etc did your parents make to get their cash?

Lets see...

Parents - cars paid off, house paid off, college loans paid off...
Me - still paying for car, still paying rent, still paying for college

Otherwise, gas and car insurance (the general working investments of the average working person)
Except, my round trip was 1.5 hours a day, theirs was 10 minutes COMBINED, not to mention the redonkulous difference in not only car insurance (I pay twice what they do every 6 months, they are combined, Im alone) and the difference in gas prices (same state, but where I am gas is generally 10-15 cents more per gallon than back home).

The way I see it, I invested more every day to work than they did.

We dont gamble on stocks, my family works for its money.

Nice try, again, what sacrifices did mom and dad have to make to get the cash to pay for the car, houses, etc. etc. Or did the "good fairy" dump a load of cash on them?

What does their past, leading up to that point, have to do with that year's effective tax rate?!? NOTHING!!

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:16:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You bible thump

Seems quite appropriate. Just because it's biblical doesn't make it wrong.

Just because its biblical doesnt make it right or moral either...

You beat me to it.

So envy and coveting are moral are they? Not surprising, given what progressives espouse.

Keep thumping that bible.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

I have no problem with Christians.... I detest bible thumpers.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:25:18 AM

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We aren't talking about what if's, we are talking about what happeneds.

But we are talking about what ifs. Like what if your parents blow your inheritance instead of passing it on to you? Why shouldn't they? They worked for theirs and you envy them for it. You covet what they have. They can now take 3 vacations while you suffer under your young burden.

What I DO take issue with is that someone (me) who could (at the time) could barely feed himself and pay his bills (at the time, no internet, no cable, no phone. Just rent, food, vehicle expenses, and college loans) would pay more every year than the pair that has absolutely no problems paying their bills and takes an average of 3 over seas vacations a year.

Do you not see your envy and covetous nature there? It's just not fair someone else could pay bills easier than you.

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“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:28:55 AM

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Do you not see your covetous and envious nature when you do not pay your way and go to war with other countries to force your covetous and envious regressiveness on others?

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:29:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You bible thump

Seems quite appropriate. Just because it's biblical doesn't make it wrong.

Just because its biblical doesnt make it right or moral either...

You beat me to it.

So envy and coveting are moral are they? Not surprising, given what progressives espouse.

Keep thumping that bible.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

I have no problem with Christians.... I detest bible thumpers.

I detest progressives. I find this all hysterical though. Pointing out the covetous and envious nature of progressives sure has hit the bullseye.

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“We all know it’s going to end badly, but in the meantime we can make some money.” - Jim Cramer, CNBC

“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:31:42 AM

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Do you not see your covetous and envious nature when you do not pay your way and go to war with other countries to force your covetous and envious regressiveness on others?

LMAO. You progressives are so

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What a hoot

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“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:32:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Lets look at the facts. How much did you invest, what effort, or what did you risk to get your 32 grand? what effort, investment, risk, etc did your parents make to get their cash?

Lets see...

Parents - cars paid off, house paid off, college loans paid off...
Me - still paying for car, still paying rent, still paying for college

Otherwise, gas and car insurance (the general working investments of the average working person)
Except, my round trip was 1.5 hours a day, theirs was 10 minutes COMBINED, not to mention the redonkulous difference in not only car insurance (I pay twice what they do every 6 months, they are combined, Im alone) and the difference in gas prices (same state, but where I am gas is generally 10-15 cents more per gallon than back home).

The way I see it, I invested more every day to work than they did.

We dont gamble on stocks, my family works for its money.

Nice try, again, what sacrifices did mom and dad have to make to get the cash to pay for the car, houses, etc. etc. Or did the "good fairy" dump a load of cash on them?

What does their past, leading up to that point, have to do with that year's effective tax rate?!? NOTHING!!

They obviously structured their income based on past income and investments to use legal tax laws to arrive at their tax rate.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:34:47 AM

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for the sake of fairness, the saving of General Motors and Chrysler, that Libs credit Obama for doing, and Obama's campaign brags about, was started by the Bush administration as was stated by the debate fact checkers.

Dec. 19, 2008 Auto Bailout Announced

$4B Bailout
Jan. 2, 2009 Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note

$280M Bailout
Apr. 29, 2009 Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note

$2B Bailout
May 1, 2009 Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note

$4.6B has actually been disbursed.
Aug. 18, 2009: $4.6B
As of August 18, this was how much Chrysler had used of this loan.

$7B Bailout
May 27, 2009 Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note, Equity Interest
A new loan made to Chrysler, or rather the New Chrysler, which has the legal name New CarCo Acquisition LLC. As of August, Chrysler had only drawn $4.58 billion.

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/entities/93-chrysler

06/03/2009 Loan $23,027,511,395 AIFP Debt Obligation, Equity Interest
05/27/2009 Loan $360,624,198 AIFP Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note
05/20/2009 Loan $4,000,000,000 AIFP Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note
04/22/2009 Loan $2,000,000,000 AIFP Debt Obligation w/ Additional Note
12/31/2008 Loan $13,400,000,000 AIFP Debt Obligation w/ Warrants and Additional Note
12/29/2008 Purchase $884,024,131 AIFP Debt Obligation

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/entities/233-general-motors

Yep, Bush started it. Bush slapped a band-aid on a gaping wound.

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:35:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: papassion

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ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

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IGINAL: papassion

quote:

ORIGINAL: wnyThroatLover

Here's a question about taxes...

I'm going to use figures from 2 years ago...

That year I made 32,000, my parents made over 500,000 (WELL over, might I add)
I paid more in taxes than they did, and my return at the end of the year was exponentially smaller...

That is fair...how?

Lets look at the facts. How much did you invest, what effort, or what did you risk to get your 32 grand? what effort, investment, risk, etc did your parents make to get their cash?

Lets see...

Parents - cars paid off, house paid off, college loans paid off...
Me - still paying for car, still paying rent, still paying for college

Otherwise, gas and car insurance (the general working investments of the average working person)
Except, my round trip was 1.5 hours a day, theirs was 10 minutes COMBINED, not to mention the redonkulous difference in not only car insurance (I pay twice what they do every 6 months, they are combined, Im alone) and the difference in gas prices (same state, but where I am gas is generally 10-15 cents more per gallon than back home).

The way I see it, I invested more every day to work than they did.

We dont gamble on stocks, my family works for its money.

Nice try, again, what sacrifices did mom and dad have to make to get the cash to pay for the car, houses, etc. etc. Or did the "good fairy" dump a load of cash on them?

What does their past, leading up to that point, have to do with that year's effective tax rate?!? NOTHING!!

They obviously structured their income based on past income and investments to use legal tax laws to arrive at their tax rate.

Yes...they structured their income...suuuuuuuure. they don't just go to work and let the government take whatever out of their check like normal people...noooooooooo.

They do the same thing I do, same tax forms and all!

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:36:12 AM

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I detest progressives. I find this all hysterical though. Pointing out the covetous and envious nature of progressives sure has hit the bullseye.

lmao

I just find the words envy and covet from a conservative towards anyone as hypocritical

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to Yachtie)

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