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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:41:49 AM   
tazzygirl


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Pst... I know you didnt want to ask.... but I will tell you anyways

Rising federal spending and huge deficits are pushing the nation toward a financial and economic crisis. Policymakers should find and eliminate wasteful, damaging, and unneeded programs in the federal budget. One good way to save money would be to cut subsidies to businesses. Corporate welfare in the federal budget costs taxpayers almost $100 billion a year.

Policymakers claim that business subsidies are needed to fix alleged market failures or to help American companies better compete in the global economy. However, corporate welfare often subsidizes failing and mismanaged businesses and induces firms to spend more time on lobbying rather than on making better products. Instead of correcting market failures, federal subsidies misallocate resources and introduce government failures into the marketplace.

While corporate welfare may be popular with policymakers who want to aid home-state businesses, it undermines the broader economy and transfers wealth from average taxpaying households to favored firms. Corporate welfare also creates strong ties between politicians and business leaders, and these ties are often the source of corruption scandals in Washington. Americans are sick and tired of "crony capitalism," and the way to solve the problem is to eliminate business subsidy programs.

Corporate welfare doesn't aid economic growth and it is an affront to America's constitutional principles of limited government and equality under the law. Policymakers should therefore scour the budget for business subsidies to eliminate. Budget experts and policymakers may differ on exactly which programs represent unjustified corporate welfare, but this study provides a menu of about $100 billion in programs to terminate.


http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/corporate-welfare-federal-budget

The Cato Institute....

The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. Founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Murray Rothbard, Ed Crane and Charles Koch.[6] In July 1976, the name was changed to the Cato Institute.[6][7] According to the 2011 Global Go To Think Tank Index, Cato is the 6th most influential US based think tank, ranking 3rd in Economic Policy and 2nd in Social Policy.[8]
The Institute's stated mission is "to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace. The Institute will use the most effective means to originate, advocate, promote, and disseminate applicable policy proposals that create free, open, and civil societies in the United States and throughout the world."[9]

Cato scholars were critical of George W. Bush's Republican administration (2001–2009) on several issues, including the Iraq War,[10] civil liberties,[11] education,[12] agriculture, energy policy, and excessive government spending.[13] On other issues, most notably health care,[14] Social Security,[15][16] global warming,[17] tax policy,[18] and immigration,[19][20][21][22][23] they supported Bush administration initiatives. During the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Cato scholars criticized both major-party candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama.[24][25][26][27]

Cato has criticized President Obama's stances on policy issues since his inauguration, such as fiscal stimulus, healthcare reform, foreign policy, and the War on Drugs,[28][29][30][31] while supporting his stance on the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell[32] and liberal immigration policy.[33]


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But you keep ignoring corporate welfare as a bigger issue than general welfare. It fits into your philosophy better.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:47:20 AM   
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We aren't talking about what if's, we are talking about what happeneds.


But we are talking about what ifs. Like what if your parents blow your inheritance instead of passing it on to you? Why shouldn't they? They worked for theirs and you envy them for it. You covet what they have. They can now take 3 vacations while you suffer under your young burden.

What I DO take issue with is that someone (me) who could (at the time) could barely feed himself and pay his bills (at the time, no internet, no cable, no phone. Just rent, food, vehicle expenses, and college loans) would pay more every year than the pair that has absolutely no problems paying their bills and takes an average of 3 over seas vacations a year.

Do you not see your envy and covetous nature there? It's just not fair someone else could pay bills easier than you.


Your vocabulary may be quasi impressive, but your words are still inane trite.

A) I don't get an inheritance, neither do my brother or sister, we have all known that since we were old enough to understand the concept. But even if we did, how would that have EFFECTED MY TAX RATE FROM 2 YEARS AGO?!?!?
B) I'm commenting on the tax rate, not my ability to pay bills, the information was necessary to make my point, that is all.
C) Are you even capable of noticing how you are taking everything I'm saying and attempting to change the context in which I'm saying it?.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 11:50:35 AM   
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And sure, I do covet what my parents have. Hell, I'd love to be able to go to France for 3 weeks just for the fuck of it...

...what does that have to do with ANYTHING i was talking about?

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 12:01:55 PM   
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Cuz the teaparty is all about giving, like Jeebus said.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 12:32:55 PM   
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I thought they were more about passing by on the other side of the road, like Jeebus didn't say?

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 12:36:50 PM   
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Well, their campaign rhetoric does not match their actions, tis true.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 1:45:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And easily debunked as an "Obamaphone"

Regardless of who started the program, the whole idea of voting for Obama (or any President, for that matter) based on being given stuff, is heinous and one of the reasons why the Federal Government shouldn't be in the business of giving stuff to individuals.

Then we can safely assume that you are against tax cuts for wealthy and corporations, the Fed shouldnt be giving them that stuff. So, Romney is off your plate.


Actually, if you were to keep up with my writings, I'm all for ending all loopholes, subsidies, etc. That includes tax cuts (regardless of your wealth, income, or business status). But, I'm not for ending them here and not there, for this group, but not that group, for this type of corporation, but not this type. End 'em all.

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Or, that some vermiform babble is about to commence.


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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 1:49:35 PM   
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yawn.  scratch nuts.

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RE: Tea Party ad - 10/16/2012 9:51:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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a tax cut, a tax break if applied unfairly is a gift (not allowed by constitution) , it is being taken from one and given another.

thanks you for buttressing my point, even though you don't understand you are doing so.



A gift to whom? To the one from whom is unfairly taken less? Like your neighbor whom the thief took less?

You consider it unfair, the thief taking less than you believe he should from one whom you declare fairly should have more taken.

Let's try to explain it in simpler words.

Say that yesterday, I took a contribution from everyone and bought us all lunch. Today I do the same, but I let Ottertail off paying, because of the importance of his work on this forum: but he gets lunch like everyone else. Wouldn't you say he was being given something?

The basic weakness in the small-government movement is that, while it has some genuine economists in its theorists, its support comes from people who feel that things like roads and drains and police and firetrucks are just there, like the sun and rain, and don't see any connection with the taxes they pay, which they believe just go to support worthless paper-pushers who do nothing of any value.

We had a most educational example in this country recently. The Department of Transport made a major screw-up in a railway contracting project, which is going to cost the country a fortune. When people looked to see what went wrong, the immediate answer was that the DoT had just done a massive "efficiency savings" drive which, inter alia, had fired most of the people who'd been working on that project. Of course, the money saved thereby is maybe a hundredth of what has been lost as a result of not having the people in place to do the job right. This happens every time someone starts cutting out "waste" and "non-essential personel:" after things have fallen apart for want of the necessary staff, and massive amounts have been spent cleaning up the mess, the "non-essential" people are quietly rehired so things can start working again.

Of course a significant amount of tax money is wasted in incompetence and empire-building and corruption: it happens in any large organisation, and anyone who believes that corporations are too "efficient" to have such maladies has never worked in the private sector. But curing the problem by cutting off the money is only a solution if you like living in log cabins.


< Message edited by leonine -- 10/16/2012 9:55:23 PM >


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