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Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 8:26:11 AM

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this is on the interest survey and several Masters are versed in it. how is it used in bdsm in general? thank you.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 8:29:42 AM

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hey, i'm not vanilla...but i may be nuts, as i am talking to myself, ha!

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 8:33:01 AM

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Hypnosis can be used to lower someons hangups about acting a certain way. It is extremely relaxing and opens someone up to being more suggestable. Its a high level of trust to alow someone to put you into a trance. I have considered its use though I am not sure how good I would be at it yet, to help Angel be a better girl than he is now. For some subs and slave,s the idea of giving up even their subconscious control is exciting, as well.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 8:52:47 AM

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I'm an autodidact in hypnotism, and I am sure there must be someone here with a clinical background who can offer more comprehensive thoughts.

The one area in D/s I have used hypnotism is to explore a women's house of memory. Some of you may be fasmiliar with Bachelard's Poetics of Space--this was sort of a reverse application, using a hypnotic or meditative state to go through the house of her memory and see what the shapes of her home spaces refelcted and engendered in her intimacy.

We never made it upstairs, to her bedroom, which was not a safe place. We stayed on the ground floor, in the kitchen and the livingroom mostly, where there were safe spaces.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 9:04:41 AM

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completely lost now lol...don't think i'm understanding the symbolism of the rooms in the house

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 9:23:56 AM

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There is a nexus for imagination and memory: the houe of our past. Go back to your earliest childhood memory--see the spaces where you were a child. Can you go, in your minds eye, to the attic or the basement? Was there a closet in your room you hid in or perhaps feared, did you walk down the staircase and see a crack in the plater that was a face? Go back to the spaces of your childhood, your childhood home, and hear and see again what happened to you, how you felt, who you were as you were made. Your parents yelling at each other while you pulled the pillow over your head, or the placemats on the kithen table you picked at when you had breakfast--the silent resentment you felt when your sibling got away with murder, or the pet you first loved and first lost: all your memories are housed there.

"Something closed must retain our memories, while leaving them their original
value as images. Memories of the outside world will never have the same
tonality as those of home and, by recalling these memories, we add to our
store of dreams; we are never real historians, but always near poets, and our
emotion is perhaps nothing but an expression of poetry that was lost."
-Bachelard, Poetics of Space

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 10:03:37 AM

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i'd rather not delve into the memories i would have to look at through hypnosis. i think unless You have the training to deal with things that might be brought up You shouldn't mess with this kind of stuff

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 12:12:43 PM

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 12:27:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

I'm an autodidact in hypnotism, and I am sure there must be someone here with a clinical background who can offer more comprehensive thoughts.

The one area in D/s I have used hypnotism is to explore a women's house of memory. Some of you may be fasmiliar with Bachelard's Poetics of Space--this was sort of a reverse application, using a hypnotic or meditative state to go through the house of her memory and see what the shapes of her home spaces refelcted and engendered in her intimacy.

We never made it upstairs, to her bedroom, which was not a safe place. We stayed on the ground floor, in the kitchen and the livingroom mostly, where there were safe spaces.

This kind of exploration of repressed memories is a very powerful tool. It can, in the proper context and correctly handled, help people recover traumatic memories, process them, and be relieved of many anxieties, fears, phobias and other sources of negative behaviors. However, it's a very intense and in some senses dangerous activity. Uncovering traumatic memories can lead to thoughts of, and attempts at, suicide. The association of the dom or other intimate in the process can taint a relationship severely. In the best case, uncovering trauma unleashes a storm of emotions that can be frightening in themselves, and require a supportive response that not every dom is equipped to give. It's also a mistake to think that simply recovering these memories is the same as 'healing' the damage done by them.
Hypnosis can be a very helpful tool in D/s, but given the high likelyhood of submissives having unresolved, hidden trauma in their pasts, it's not something that I would recommend most people meddling with. Even if the aim of the trance is to create some kind of 'play' scenario, simply putting a trauma victim into a trance can unleash a torrent of unexpected and possibly dangerous perceptions and emotions.
Hypnosis is, on one level, a 'volountary' state, that people must in some way acquiesce to. Because of this, time and repetition tend to make hypnosis deeper and more effective, as greater trust is built. The down side of this pattern is that early experiences may give you the impression that there's nothing to worry about, when in fact, the scary stuff is just waiting for a higher level of trust before it bursts out. I think it's something to be very cautious about, and if one suspects that one's partner has a background of abuse, it's far more prudent to have them seek professional help than it is to delve into the hidden depths of their psyche yourself.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 5:26:54 PM

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CC, I think all your observations have merit. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion. I'm not a therapist, I have no clinical background, and only a lay theoretical understanding, so maybe I shouldn't do anything that is intended to be theraputic. On the other hand, I know therapists who feel that healing is not their sole province, that individuals can and should be agents in their healing. I honestly don't know the answer.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 5:34:05 PM

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This sounds extremely erotic to me. i would love to be hypnotized and videotaped while i was in an hypnotic state so that i could watch it all afterwards.

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Hypnosis can be used to lower someons hangups about acting a certain way. It is extremely relaxing and opens someone up to being more suggestable. Its a high level of trust to alow someone to put you into a trance. I have considered its use though I am not sure how good I would be at it yet, to help Angel be a better girl than he is now. For some subs and slave,s the idea of giving up even their subconscious control is exciting, as well.

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 5:39:54 PM

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This is fascinating to me. For a very long time, i have been wanting to undergo hypnosis and be taken back as far as i could go in my memories and have it tape recorded so i could have all those hidden memories brought back into the light. i want to remember as much as possible and have it all recorded.

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

There is a nexus for imagination and memory: the houe of our past. Go back to your earliest childhood memory--see the spaces where you were a child. Can you go, in your minds eye, to the attic or the basement? Was there a closet in your room you hid in or perhaps feared, did you walk down the staircase and see a crack in the plater that was a face? Go back to the spaces of your childhood, your childhood home, and hear and see again what happened to you, how you felt, who you were as you were made. Your parents yelling at each other while you pulled the pillow over your head, or the placemats on the kithen table you picked at when you had breakfast--the silent resentment you felt when your sibling got away with murder, or the pet you first loved and first lost: all your memories are housed there.

"Something closed must retain our memories, while leaving them their original
value as images. Memories of the outside world will never have the same
tonality as those of home and, by recalling these memories, we add to our
store of dreams; we are never real historians, but always near poets, and our
emotion is perhaps nothing but an expression of poetry that was lost."
-Bachelard, Poetics of Space

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RE: Role of Hypnotism in BDSM - 6/3/2007 9:11:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

CC, I think all your observations have merit. I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion. I'm not a therapist, I have no clinical background, and only a lay theoretical understanding, so maybe I shouldn't do anything that is intended to be theraputic. On the other hand, I know therapists who feel that healing is not their sole province, that individuals can and should be agents in their healing. I honestly don't know the answer.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what they 'should' or 'shouldn't' do. Rather, I hope to give people insights useful in choosing what to do. I very much agree that therapists are not the sole purveyors of healing, and in fact, many don't know their asses from their elbows. Healing is, ultimately, the task, responsibility and activity of the person with the hurt, no one can do it for them. The support that others can give them is valuable, but has limits. One of the things I try to stress to people is that getting into the realm of therapy with an intimate partner has great potential for damaging a relationship. In particular, a dom taking on the therapist role for a sub dealing with trauma stemming from early abuse is fraught with peril, since so much about the dom/sub relationship mirrors aspects of an abusive relationship. Typically, victims of abuse have difficulty separating emotions from the abuse period from activities in their current, adult life, at least until the issues of trauma are resolved. If they're resolved- well, they don't need a therapist, dom or not. It's not uncommon for clients to transfer a lot of their feelings about their own issues to their therapist. In theory, a therapist has the professional detachment and training that this will not harm them emotionally or undermine their professional relationship. In an intimate relationship, though, this confusion of the therapist with people from the 'client's' past does tend to be damaging to the relationship, as dealing with it requires the therapist 'not to take it personally'. This can be an overwhelming task in a relationship that is, after all, supposed to be personal. It's not always easy for either party to separate legitimate, current interpersonal issues from those stemming from past abuse.
So, my personal conclusion is that it is quite a bit safer for an intimate relationship, and especially a D/s one, for the partner/dom to give emotional support, but to seek someone outside of the intimate relationship to take the lead in the therapy itself. Just what kind of support can be given effectively will naturally vary with the needs and capabilities of those involved, but becoming the lead therapist for one's intimate partner is a perilous undertaking.

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