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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/13/2007 7:43:46 AM   
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When you live long enough and see it happen often enough... you know (I don't assume)
 
You have focused on one sentence of my post- there was so much more,
 
To blindly have one person do something exclusively that will ultimately effect your well being and have no idea what that might be because he is HoH instead of discussing it all and working together- results exactly in what happened in my post.  Who is the female supposed to rely on after her HoH is gone?  I say, trust in Hoh.. but row for shore.  Have a plan B to protect yourself in adversity is all. 


obviously in all those years she should of had some idea of the finances...asked a few simple questions....like where is all our money, etc...

I wonder how happy people are nowadays with feminism and women working, than back when things were different and there wasn't as much divorce?  maybe its time to get back to what worked for families.....

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/13/2007 8:13:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

When you live long enough and see it happen often enough... you know (I don't assume)

You have focused on one sentence of my post- there was so much more,

To blindly have one person do something exclusively that will ultimately effect your well being and have no idea what that might be because he is HoH instead of discussing it all and working together- results exactly in what happened in my post. Who is the female supposed to rely on after her HoH is gone? I say, trust in Hoh.. but row for shore. Have a plan B to protect yourself in adversity is all.


obviously in all those years she should of had some idea of the finances...asked a few simple questions....like where is all our money, etc...

I wonder how happy people are nowadays with feminism and women working, than back when things were different and there wasn't as much divorce? maybe its time to get back to what worked for families.....


Considering most women were not educated and therefore left behind few records how could you determine it was better or not for everyone?

Would you say the same thing for race relations? Maybe we should go back before the 13th and 14th Amendments here in the USA too?

My point is that how do you know it worked for families when the members of the family was usually only considered the most educated, wealthy, and at least in the European and American cultures, white male and everyone else was unable or discouraged from leaving behind records?

The cry that the "old days were always better" is as old as the earliest personal journals and historical records. In general they seem based on limited memories and a lot of "poor me" attitude from the person doing the recording.

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/13/2007 8:25:03 PM   
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I bought this book today after standing in a bookstore and reading the introduction.  I have read quite a bit so far and I think it's going to give me a lot of great advice on how to not only keep my Master happy, but my husband as well.  I found by reading it, I had being doing a lot of things I didn't even realize.  It is opening my eyes to how much damage what I say can actually have, and I am hopefully going to learn to bite my tongue a bit more from now on.
 
Just because they probably show the more radical of the stories (afterall, they want ratings), doesn't mean the whole book is for that extreme of purposes.  I can't see anywhere so far it says anything about turning back to the dark ages where women had no rights, it's more showing you how to think before you speak, because your words have a huge impact.  That to me is something can be used in our lives from home, to just everyday public dealings.
 
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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/14/2007 5:55:28 PM   
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Just because they probably show the more radical of the stories (afterall, they want ratings), doesn't mean the whole book is for that extreme of purposes.  I can't see anywhere so far it says anything about turning back to the dark ages where women had no rights, it's more showing you how to think before you speak, because your words have a huge impact.  That to me is something can be used in our lives from home, to just everyday public dealings.
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sin,
They definitely sensationalized the whole thing to stir people up.  The book is nowhere near as radical or controversial, in my eyes, as the video segment was.  I don't think they even so much chose more radical stories as they just selectively showed what goes on in the relationships they profiled.  I mentioned before how the one segment that seemed to upset people the most (blindfold, the husband ordering his wife's meal, picking her clothes, etc.) was a one-time "no control date" experiment.  It's not like they lived that way all the time (like Master and I do).  Well, excepting the blindfold.  I don't have to cover my eyes to keep from nagging Him about exactly which route to take....lol....

Anyway, the book is written by a woman who decided to make some changes in her approach to her marriage.  She decided to stop nagging, criticizing, dictating, and controlling every aspect of every thing in her marriage and actually hand that control to her husband and then respect and honor his decisions.  Imagine that?  How radical!  She said that it was as if she felt she HAD to make all the decisions and have things her way.  It was amazingly freeing to them both for her to begin deferring to Him.  It's not that she suddenly became ignorant of how to do things or that she played "stupid" so that her big, smart husband could make all the decisions.  It's that she decided to stop being a control freak and put some of the power back into the hands of the man she married.  It worked for her, it works for me, and I hope it works for all who decide it's the right way for them.  Enjoy the book, sin............luci


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/15/2007 9:28:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SlND3R3LLA

I bought this book today after standing in a bookstore and reading the introduction. I have read quite a bit so far and I think it's going to give me a lot of great advice on how to not only keep my Master happy, but my husband as well. I found by reading it, I had being doing a lot of things I didn't even realize. It is opening my eyes to how much damage what I say can actually have, and I am hopefully going to learn to bite my tongue a bit more from now on.



That's great to read.

I think most people do things based on habit, on what they experienced growing up, and what has helped them survive.

Yet, they do help us survive but do they help us thrive?

I just don't think it's a woman thing or a man thing -- it's an individual thing and most explored on the individual level not through "wive" or "boyfriends" or "cats" should behave any particular way.


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 7/27/2007 10:53:00 AM   
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The video wouldnt work for me. So I read the transcript. I really didnt think this was such a big deal. Who cares what they do as a couple? If it works for them, well...great! Im suprised by some of the remarks being made here.

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/3/2007 10:46:41 AM   
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If it works for them, it works for them - if it'd work for you then good, if not then find something that does.

Personally, I would never involve children - respect is one thing, but I don't children should be actively working to keep the father happy. Now I haven't seen the video or read the book - I've only been reading the comments and can only make my conclusion based off of that -

I'd keep my children out of my personal relationship with my Sir. Yes I'd teach my son not to hit a woman, and yes I'd teach my daughter to be strong and not underestimated by any boy - to be independant and rely on herself. If by some chance they Actually get into the lifestyle later in their lives, learn desires that contradict their upbringing - they will discover it for themselves they way we have and without our guidance. Children and smarter than we think they are, and they will decide what works for them in the long run as well.

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/3/2007 1:07:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daes

If it works for them, it works for them - if it'd work for you then good, if not then find something that does.

Personally, I would never involve children - respect is one thing, but I don't children should be actively working to keep the father happy. Now I haven't seen the video or read the book - I've only been reading the comments and can only make my conclusion based off of that -



Personally I'd say that children should be taught to respect both parents and to see their families as families where everyone's happiness has value. Who knows? They might be taught that in these households but it isn't what the tv folks showed us. Actually I hope the parents earn their children's respect and love by what they do and how they live not merely from teaching them to respect them.


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/4/2007 1:59:13 AM   
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*Thinks about people in glass houses, but decides to stop that because I need to take My kids to therapy. * Their dad and I have called each other mummy and daddy all their lives. We're divorced and I'm dominant. Hell, I take them to church too and program them into My Judeo Christian religious (ack!) thinking. Knows they're going to be sociopathic and do all manner of evil things to the society. Of course, being brought up in that way will keep My daughter from perhaps becoming dominant or My son from perhaps being submissive. (Did I mention that there are 6 priests in My immediate family...like uncles and two aunts and hmmmmmm I went to church all My life and hmmmmmmmm still ended up being a Domme ...think that the programming crashed????????)

Henny Penny Syndrome aboundssssssssssssssss on collarme.com!!!!!!! Let the people live their lives for godsake.  Do you think they're having a debate on whether I should beat dream's ass and whether it will mentally crush him for years to come????

*Goes away balancing the sky coz I wouldn't want it to fall or anything*

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/4/2007 8:07:11 AM   
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*Thinks about people in glass houses, but decides to stop that because I need to take My kids to therapy. * Their dad and I have called each other mummy and daddy all their lives. We're divorced and I'm dominant. Hell, I take them to church too and program them into My Judeo Christian religious (ack!) thinking. Knows they're going to be sociopathic and do all manner of evil things to the society. Of course, being brought up in that way will keep My daughter from perhaps becoming dominant or My son from perhaps being submissive. (Did I mention that there are 6 priests in My immediate family...like uncles and two aunts and hmmmmmm I went to church all My life and hmmmmmmmm still ended up being a Domme ...think that the programming crashed????????)

Henny Penny Syndrome aboundssssssssssssssss on collarme.com!!!!!!! Let the people live their lives for godsake. Do you think they're having a debate on whether I should beat dream's ass and whether it will mentally crush him for years to come????

*Goes away balancing the sky coz I wouldn't want it to fall or anything*


*blink* (wondering what set this off cause I'm not seeing anything in the last comment I made that would trigger this)

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/4/2007 8:22:47 AM   
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I'm perfectly okay with the idea of a husband and wife living together with the sort of relationship they are condoning, but adding children to the mix serously complicates matters.  Yes, I believe kids should respect and look up to their parents, but they should also have the freedom to determine their own personal outlook on relationships and social dynamics.

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/4/2007 8:39:46 AM   
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By the time I read the first page of responses and then watched the video I did not have time to read the other 10 pages of responses so I am sure I will probably repeat something that has already been said if not all that has been said.

One thing I feel personally is that these news shows show one side of everything:    The side they want us to sympathise with! It makes me rather disgusted usually because I am the type who wants both sides so that I can figure out for myself what I think based on ALL of the possible information.

From what I saw on the video I honestly could not see a difference between that and the D/s aspect of BDSM. I suppose I am agreeing with what luci said in her original response on page one. (again I apologize because I have not read the other pages of responses).

As for the "century of struggle for women's equality with men", what happened to making the choices that are best for you? If the women's movement was for the purpose of us being allowed to make our own choices then why is it so bad if I choose to do something you see as politically incorrect, or if that is too strong a word, just simply different from what you would choose?

On a side note, I did not see anything in the women's eyes that said they were not happy. With the exception of the last woman they all seemed very happy and even she made the choice to do this without being forced. She just seemed to be struggling with it that's all. So maybe in the end she'll try it and find she just cannot do it, but she did not seem unhappy to me. Could we all be projecting?

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/5/2007 3:03:55 AM   
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If the Amish can decide to refuse medical care for their children, the Jews can practice male genital cutting, the Klan can teach their children to hate people for the melanin content of their skin, many societies let the doctors "correct" intersex conditions surgically without so much as parental consent, and so forth ... what the hell does it matter whether the children grow up in an otherwise ordinary household with an unbalanced power dynamic?

Sure, "let them decide for themselves". Screw that. They can't. Quite simply put, their parents and immediate environment while growing up, these stick certain ideas in their head, ranging from potty training to ethics, and at the end of the day, these kids are allowed to enter society. There, they are exposed to ideas that vary somewhat from those they have in their heads, and they can compare, pick and choose, and even come up with their own points of view (otherwise known as "deciding for themselves"). At this point, they can do that. Not before.

Or does one propose we leave the kids as somewhat intelligent monkeys with overdeveloped vocal chords (their own decision)?

Humans came out of the trees at some point, and gradually, over the course of countless millenia, developed a social inheritance that supplemented genetic inheritance (technically speaking, we had social inheritance from the apes we descended from, but I digress). This social inheritance ranges from language, through ideas and knowledge, to behaviour and skills. It also displays some slight variability (slight, if you compare to apes, at least). And we pass the local flavour on to our children, warts and all.

Or does anyone think we should suddenly invade Japan and take the kids there from their parents, since the modern sarariman-families (yes, I know other parts of society are starting to change in this respect) have a distinct power dynamic that probably surpasses the imbalance of these "surrendered wives"? Can we even find some intersection between human cultures that will provide some "average" social inheritance that we can standardize for children? Certainly, such an intersection would be quite handsomely dominated by Chinese, Indian and African cultures, since they are the most numerous in the world. For that matter, do we want standardization, or is such diversity one of the few strengths we as humans have, one of the things worth keeping?

No man or woman is an island unto herself / himself, nor can we be, for humans are not born self-sufficient.
We all come from somewhere, and we all choose where to go from there once we are allowed to stand on our own.
Those children whose parents are involved in relationships with such imbalanced power dynamics are no different in this regard.

And, in the end, parents are human, too. Couples, in fact. (In the west, at least; I don't think any western nation recognizes poly- or endogamous relationships yet.) These couples have a relationship that not only predates the children, but is in fact the very reason the children exist in the first place. I posit that this relationship is important, and that is should remain what it was, so that the true foundation of the relationship (love, caring, and hard work) can be an example to the children as they grow up. Whether the parents have a particular orientation does not matter; lesbian parents are illegal many places, but in those places where they are legal, they do better than heterosexual parents on all parameters, including providing male role models for the children (we are a social species, the children learn from their environment just as well as their parents, with enough exposure).

Similarly, it does not, or should not, matter whether there is a power dynamic.

If we do not accept atypical relationships between parents as children grow up, it does not matter how much we speak of tolerance and diversity in society. They will know the truth. And that truth will be that only the public face is acceptable, that only conformity is allowed, and that- while we may tolerate (as in, "put up with") a different "wiring"- it is still shameful to live it. This puts a final limit on how far we as humans can develop. Until we let go of this restriction, we cannot transcend the bounds of our prejudices and misconceptions, ever. No amount of effort will do it.

We aren't talking about "indecent" exposure here. I'll leave that topic for another thread. But there is no difference in this regard. All sides of WIITWD have parallels in vanilla relationships. It isn't form, but function, that matters. The children will perceive the function (that is how they are able to correctly apply what they have learned in the first place) and they can easily relate to other forms (that is how they can assimilate different cultures, and shift between relating to adults and peers). Just like the vanilla wife isn't going to blow her husband in front of the kids, the kinky one isn't going to ride her husband to the elbow in front of them either. If heavy play is going on, soundproofing resolves the only remaining issue, which is that of the kids feeling safe. Something that can be enhanced in a power exchange household, as communication is (ideally) more explicit, and there is not only someone to take charge and say "not in front of the kids" when an argument breaks out, but the partner is going to listen.

We may know that this is considered "wrong" by prevailing societal standards of morality and propriety.
Almost like a "black" person sitting in the front of the bus some decades ago, eh?
They children don't. They are blank slates. Let's not mar them.


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/5/2007 7:10:17 AM   
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Edit to the above: "The children don't know. They are blank slates. Let's not mar them."

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/5/2007 8:24:42 AM   
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Edit to the above: "The children don't know. They are blank slates. Let's not mar them."


Confused.

Could exposing them to only one way be considered a form of marring this blank slate?

I don't think anyone in this thread has ever suggested that the offspring be taken from the home. I think this is an attempt to inflate the argument into the realm of extremity that frankly isn't there.

Some of us have merely stated our opinion (strong or otherwise) that we think it's fine what two consenting adults do but we have different standards when it comes to non-adults and non-consenting dynamics.

I personally think its a bit sad that turning to a book and someone else's path has become almost standard for figuring out how to find one's happiness and to help relationships grow and be healthy. I personally think that each individual is unique enough that cookie cutter molds (which ever mold it be) will be unlikely to provide the answers. Learning about other ways, other paths, lot of reading, all of that can be helpful to us as we develop but one path, one way, one book... I'm not a big fan of the concept of "one".

The television show offers this example of one way in the hopes of ratings. But if no one watched, they soon would show other things.

So why do/did people watch? Why do people pledge devotion to one way, one path, one book or even one person?

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/5/2007 10:43:50 AM   
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Could exposing them to only one way be considered a form of marring this blank slate?


My point being that we must either say "what we do is wrong" and stop doing it, or we must say "what we do is not wrong" and not imprint the notion that it is on the children. To keep it hidden from them and generally act as if it is a shameful thing is an effective way to tell them that it is wrong. To have it out in the open is an equally effective way of telling them the opposite. Children learn more by example than by instruction, at least in the way of lasting learning. Instruction to the contrary of examples only serves to create cognitive dissonances that cause problems later in life.

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I don't think anyone in this thread has ever suggested that the offspring be taken from the home. I think this is an attempt to inflate the argument into the realm of extremity that frankly isn't there.


Children have been taken from homes that openly practice M/s or D/s dynamics in the past. Whether that is still the case, I do not know. My own country has made a lot of headway over the years I've lived in it, but I've not kept entirely up to date with others. That said, it's not an issue unless people were advocating that children should not be raised in such an environment. But I got the impression that they were advocating just that.

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Some of us have merely stated our opinion (strong or otherwise) that we think it's fine what two consenting adults do but we have different standards when it comes to non-adults and non-consenting dynamics.


The point being that there is always an inevitable element of non-consent in rearing. And there is always a transfer of values, one which is eventually offset by encountering society at large, and even other societies. The process of individuation cannot start until the child has been reared to a certain point, and until that time, parents should live by their values and impart them on their children by example. I'm not saying parents should involve the children in a dynamic beyond what they are already in by virtue of being children, merely that they should not be prevented from seeing a dynamic the parents do not consider unhealthy. Questions may arise eventually, and should be answered in a factual manner, at the child's current level of development at the time.

I also said that, unless we set strict standards for how parents can raise their children, we cannot judge parents' practice of BDSM by a different metric than other elements of how the children are reared without being inconsistent and/or hypocritical.

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I personally think its a bit sad that turning to a book and someone else's path has become almost standard for figuring out how to find one's happiness and to help relationships grow and be healthy.


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But it has always been so with herd animals. They turn to anything but themselves for answers.

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Learning about other ways, other paths, lot of reading, all of that can be helpful to us as we develop but one path, one way, one book... I'm not a big fan of the concept of "one".


~nod~

It is, however, difficult to impart such a diversity on a child without rearing them in a very polycultural environment.

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So why do/did people watch? Why do people pledge devotion to one way, one path, one book or even one person?


Wrong person to ask.


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/7/2007 7:04:58 PM   
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Without question, I think this concept is foolhardy beyond belief.  It's one thing for a woman to want to do this, but I think it's despicable to be brainwashing a little toddler right off the bat into this.

As a guy, it makes me cringe to realize that there are actually guys like this out there in the world, as well, who magically think they're somehow entitled to automatic and total obedience, without first demonstrating that they are first infallible, as well as all-powerful.  It's a narcissistic sham.  I guess I just despise vanity in any form. 

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/8/2007 4:36:02 PM   
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Brainwashing a little toddler off the bat is what is more commonly known as "raising a child"...

The connotation you are assigning is just dependent on how far they are from the prevailing cultural norms of your environment.

Apart from that, welcome to the forums.


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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/8/2007 4:56:33 PM   
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Master and i live like those surrendered wives live. He tells me what to do and i do it. It's not something i have a problem with since my greatest joy is pleasing master. i would be thrashed and tossed into the closet tied and gagged if i refused master sex, well sometimes i am anyway, lol, but i wouldn't refuse, it isn't mine to refuse. So what's wrong with that? isnt' that what a slave is for? slave keri

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RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 8/9/2007 1:14:15 PM   
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It's hard to view this and be offended by it, I posted some thoughts about it on my blog (link in my signature below) - and even after having gotten it down on paper it kind of confuses me...much like Keri - i don't own me, and its been a very long time since i have, so its hard to think from an objective point of view on the subject. in comparison to my lifestyle, those women really are vanilla (however they don't really show their entire relationship so perhaps it goes further) - but me personally, every thought and action that i may do in a day or night has something to do with master (yes even posting on collarme.com, this was his decision for me to become part of this community).

is this really stepping into the past? i think it would be only if it became a social norm. i think its very very far from a social norm, just as bdsm is not a social norm...how would you feel if you were critsized on T.V. because you like to spank your slave (wife) while you play? people DO find it disgusting, just as many people find this surrendered housewives thing disgusting.

it cannot be judged on an mass scale - but rather individually...if you were to find out the REAL motivations behind why these women submit, you would get just as many responses as there are women.

i do believe that a parent should instill there values in there children...if their family operates in this manner that daddy is the king of the house - then so be it...in other relationships mommy is queen of the house. again it has to be judged on an individual basis i think.

should master and i be criticized because i've chosen this lifestyle? i have permanent body modifications that I DO NO WANT - however master desired them. if master is away from the house for a day - it is my duty to hurt myself...i don't like pain, but its a necessity in my training...i'm trained to hurt myself if he doesn't have the ability to do so.

these are my choices.

now of course there are 2 sidesto every coin. perhaps some of thsoe women are submitting perhaps because they don't have any techincal skills, and are scared if they divorce their husband, they'll end up working a minimum wage job, with the legal fees to pay and children to raise...its so complicated :( i consider myself very lucky to live the life i lead, and the simplicity it brings.

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(in reply to keri)
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