RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Alternative Lifestyles in the News >> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia

Page: << < prev 10 11 12 13 [14]

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 2/20/2008 10:13:01 AM

Posts: 77
Joined: 11/2/2007
From: Pennsylvania
Status: offline

The key difference between the women of The Surrendered Wife and BDSM lifestyle submissives and slaves (involved in TPE, 24/7 D/s, etc.) is that these women seem to have been defeated; they've literally surrendered themselves to save their marriages. It's an act of desperation. Conversely, a submissive or slave gives herself willingly and wholly to her Master, because that is what pleases her, makes her happy, and is best for her and her Master. It's a loving act, and should only be done when both partners are completely ready to take on the responsibility of the Master and slave dynamic.

Of course, it confuses me that some novices associate slavery with being entirely sexual. No, you won't always be on you knees, butt up in the air, head down and naked waiting for your Master to take you. More often, you'll be caring for him in other ways. Making him breakfast, doing his laundry, and keeping a tidy home for the two of you. The women shown in the clip did these things. However, the key difference is that a slave should be pleased to do these things - these women do it because they desperately want to "keep their man."

_____________________________

Warm Regards,
c.,
The "Service with a Smile" Slut

"Domination's the name of the game, in bed or in life, they're both just the same - Except in one you're fulfilled
at the end of the day."

- Depeche Mode, "Master & servant"

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 2/20/2008 2:56:02 PM

Posts: 615
Joined: 2/1/2008
Status: offline

quote:

Of course, it confuses me that some novices associate slavery with being entirely sexual. No, you won't always be on you knees, butt up in the air, head down and naked waiting for your Master to take you. More often, you'll be caring for him in other ways. Making him breakfast, doing his laundry, and keeping a tidy home for the two of you. The women shown in the clip did these things. However, the key difference is that a slave should be pleased to do these things - these women do it because they desperately want to "keep their man."

I do those things, but I am not always pleased to do those things. I despise doing laundry, but I do it anyway. I don't consider myself "surrendered" though. I don't consider myself a slave either. I think the main difference in what I do and the "surrendered" wife stuff lies in whether the beholder sees kink as part of it all. A good surrendered wife is not:

A very freaky girl,
The kind you don't bring home to mother ...

(in reply to allcatsaregrey)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 2/20/2008 2:56:42 PM

Posts: 629
Joined: 2/6/2008
Status: offline

I agree with the fact that it looks like a one sided report. What does he do in return? There has to be a compensation, or a threat. Nobody would do this without compensation or threat, I'm thinking.

On the other hand, who am I to judge? I scrub my man in the shower, remove his boots, wash his clothes, and bring him drinks. I never thought of it as subserviant, since he has done similiar for me, including caring for new tattoos that I can't reach, but I can see the parallels. If these folks are happy, I say more power to em. If not, well, it'll come to light. Doesn't unhapiness always come to light?

_____________________________

Congratulate me...I'm a missus!!

--nobody's resident anything.

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 2/20/2008 3:35:55 PM

Posts: 77
Joined: 11/2/2007
From: Pennsylvania
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

quote:

Of course, it confuses me that some novices associate slavery with being entirely sexual. No, you won't always be on you knees, butt up in the air, head down and naked waiting for your Master to take you. More often, you'll be caring for him in other ways. Making him breakfast, doing his laundry, and keeping a tidy home for the two of you. The women shown in the clip did these things. However, the key difference is that a slave should be pleased to do these things - these women do it because they desperately want to "keep their man."

I do those things, but I am not always pleased to do those things. I despise doing laundry, but I do it anyway. I don't consider myself "surrendered" though. I don't consider myself a slave either. I think the main difference in what I do and the "surrendered" wife stuff lies in whether the beholder sees kink as part of it all. A good surrendered wife is not:

A very freaky girl,
The kind you don't bring home to mother ...

I admit I overgeneralized on that part, but, I'd still rather wash my Master's underwear and know I've willingly decided to take on that responsibility, rather than doing it out of sheer desperation.

By the way, nice "Superfreak" reference, haha!

_____________________________

Warm Regards,
c.,
The "Service with a Smile" Slut

"Domination's the name of the game, in bed or in life, they're both just the same - Except in one you're fulfilled
at the end of the day."

- Depeche Mode, "Master & servant"

(in reply to TracyTaken)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/8/2008 3:58:18 PM

Posts: 2
Joined: 12/17/2007
Status: offline

Just a comment, I thought that slave luci, Amygirl, Leonidas had some really profound comments, that are progressive and balanced. Very articulate.

Honorably,

MasterB

(in reply to allcatsaregrey)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/8/2008 8:02:00 PM

Posts: 78
Joined: 3/25/2006
Status: offline

Let me first state, I could never live this way, however I can understand the charm of it. Think of how easy life would be if you had no choices to make. It would be like being a child again.

(in reply to DedicatedDom40)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/9/2008 6:30:14 PM

Daddyslilpookie

Posts: 498
Joined: 3/3/2008
From: OC, California
Status: offline

First off I would like to state I am a surrendered wife/slave as you read in my profile, I find it very fulfiling.I read and have the book and there is some dominance. For some of you who say the book has no dominance I beg to differ. My Master/husband and I don't follow all the book but most of it. We have a taken in hand relationship with /Daddy/girl dynamic without age play. If you do not know what taken in hand means look at www.takeninhand.com this book was on the websites booklist.

_____________________________

Princess Andie

"A Woman Loves Only Her Master"

(in reply to DedicatedDom40)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/10/2008 4:29:44 PM

Posts: 36
Joined: 3/4/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Masque66

My only issue was the idea of having their daughters in 'training'. I think everyone has the right to be dominant or submissive as their choice, but applying that choice arbitrarily to their children based on their gender is, in my opinion, wrong. If their daughters want to be submissive, so be it. But make it known that they can be the dominant if they want. It's only right.

YES, THIS. That entire video squicked me out because of that detail.
I know for some people M/f or F/m works well, but I cannot understand them at all, and I especially cannot understand why they'd indoctrinate their children into a belief like that.

(in reply to Masque66)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/12/2008 6:57:05 AM

Posts: 1
Joined: 10/19/2005
Status: offline

I thought the video was pretty hot tell you the truth. But I was imagining being the wife. Who can figure? :)

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/12/2008 6:58:32 AM

Posts: 16926
Status: offline

The thread of the living dead... this one just never dies.

_____________________________

(in reply to YourMaid)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/15/2008 12:06:51 AM

Posts: 286
Joined: 11/20/2007
Status: offline

i feel the way the women in the video do. Only this dynamic lies within BDSM. i agree with some who have stated that it is unsettling to see them 'training' their children. i do not think children should be trained the way that mother was drilling that girl (brainwashing i say) with repeditive ideas. Granted the child is going to learn your ways anyway. She may accept it as her own given that is what she knows, or she may reject it for the way her friend's parents are. Someone else said something to the effect of the Men's roles were not properly displayed--and i agree with that as well.

Edit: Also, i am not comfortable with the fact that it was 'women only' surrendering. men, women, trans--whichever, live the way you and your partner want to and if this is it.. then no one can tell you how to live otherwise.

Also, i hope these women and other women who are trying it to save their marriage are actually happy in these roles.

< Message edited by sillyfool -- 3/15/2008 12:10:21 AM >

(in reply to kittinSol)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/16/2008 2:44:19 PM

Posts: 648
Joined: 5/24/2004
Status: offline

all I have to say about that article is "Amen!!!" I think it is great that there is this movement where the wives will allow their husbands to be the leaders and decision makers, nothing wrong with that. What is that movement called?

(in reply to sillyfool)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/16/2008 4:15:07 PM

Daddyslilpookie

Posts: 498
Joined: 3/3/2008
From: OC, California
Status: offline

It's called being taken in hand you can find out about it on www.takeninhand.com

_____________________________

Princess Andie

"A Woman Loves Only Her Master"

(in reply to MasterKalif)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/16/2008 7:28:33 PM

Posts: 580
Joined: 9/5/2007
Status: offline

I went into this video knowing that I was going to hate it.

I went into it knowing that I would want to judge it..so that will make My opinion jaded.

But I have to say this...and its already been said...Guys love it because they can lay back and relax and get it their way. But when the cold hard reality of having to be responsible for everything smacks them in the face...they drop the ball.

Im sitting here wondering what will happen next....when will our right to vote be stricken because some bone head president gets this book and passes it out to congress?

_____________________________

Everything has been said before
There's nothing left to say anymore
When it's all the same
You can ask for it by name

Did I fail to mention...I am a BITCH?

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/19/2008 2:30:04 AM

Posts: 1
Joined: 2/18/2006
Status: offline

I did gather from the video, that the couples discussed and decided to make these changes. i and my master, like luci and hers, are more focused on the concepts of bdsm being though out our relationship. Rather than just simply a bed room enhancement. Their will always be a gap between the folks that this is simple a adult bedroom game, and those of us that practice this as a LIFESTYLE.
luci stated this very well.
Master/slave, Surrendered wifes, Covenant Marrages... these are just a few of the names that are given to a large returning to older values.... that serve our needs as men and women. It is a part of our human nature. And, imho..... this is what most Dominant men are searching for. So many times a dominant says "i want someone to serve me"..... and subs hears "i want sex".... And in realty.....Dominant is thinking about home-cooked meals and clean clothes..... and the sub is dreaming of lying spent in subspace on the floor.........
Everyone makes choices in their relationships.... And wasn't that what the womens movement fought for...choises????? Those of you that are ranting about this being creepy and oppressive, sent it in the proper direction....... These are not women in the middle east that actually have no say so in their destinies, or can still be killed by the males in their families for "honor".

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/19/2008 11:10:46 AM

Posts: 2037
Joined: 3/9/2007
From: Louisville, KY
Status: offline

I have never understood the problems lifestyle people have with other models of female submission. Women are entitled to make those choices. I have to have a very good reason to believe that something that is none of my buisness is not a chioce.
Even if I think a particular society structure makes it an inevitable choice for most in that society, as in the middle east, if an individual woman tells me she is happy and fulfilled, I give her the respect of beliveing that she is right about what works for her.
As to raising children to see this as 'right', we all raise our children with our own beliefs, and it is right to do so. It scares me that society is moving towards defining one 'right' way to raise kids, and get the goverment to come in and do that for you. Those kids, just like any of us, can grow up and chose a different set of values than they were raised with - or not. as they see fit.
I personally, as a lifestyle slave, sometimes feel lucky that half my family is fundemetalist. It allows me to get away with lifestyle comments that, otherwise, I could only get away with around other lifestyle settings. 'Let me check with him.' 'I will have to get permission. I'll get back to you on that.' ect. Its really quite convenant. No one growls at me becuase I get his drink or plate at family functions, ect.

_____________________________

“If you never did you should. These things are fun and fun is good”
~Dr. Seuss quote

(in reply to acacia)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/24/2008 1:06:23 AM

obis

Posts: 412
Joined: 9/9/2005
From: Austin, TX, USA
Status: offline

There is no shortage of people raised in conservative households who decide to reject all that when they leave home, and vice versa. The idea that kids are going to have their free will irreparably damaged by being told to respect their parents is absolutely mind-boggling.

Shockingly, the human race has managed to survive without all children being corralled into training pens after birth, lest their parents accidentally damage their neurological development with politically incorrect ideas they have no hope of ever rejecting.

I'll have to remember not to refer to my mother as "grandma" around my nieces, or in any way instruct them to follow her directions. They will not only be confused as to who my actual mother is, they'll be convinced that only grandmothers have any authority and that the entire world requires them to submit to that supreme grandmatriachy. They'll just grow up with no choice but to look for grandmothers to submit to, and never have any confidence in themselves!

(in reply to kittinSol)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/24/2008 10:14:14 AM

angelbluewingsz

Posts: 324
Joined: 10/10/2004
Status: offline

anyone got the surrenderd husband link?

(in reply to slaveluci)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/25/2008 11:30:22 AM

Casie

Posts: 450
Joined: 1/5/2006
Status: offline

There isn't anything in this video I haven't done. I didn't find it to be opressive or abusive. Most of the wifes seemed happy in their choice to live this way. The only one that really seemed to be in it simply for the sake of savingher marrige was the dark haired woman who had her clothing picked for her. I don't see it as being much differnt than a basic d/s relationship.

(in reply to allcatsaregrey)

RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia - 3/25/2008 3:19:40 PM

MasterWilliam55

Posts: 361
Joined: 1/27/2006
Status: offline

Thank you slavelucie for coming to the defense of a lifestyle that many here find disturbing. Thank you also AmyGirl for adding depth to this discussion by adding information from the books to augment the video. What I got from the video was a fairly basic rendering of D/s or M/s relationships. It only showed one side of the story as AmyGirl has explained, but even so, it described a dynamic that a great many subs and slaves would kill for.

We describe the D/s part of BDSM in terms of obedience and service. We promote disipline and punishment. We talk about submissives doing things they don't particularily enjoy but as a service to please their Masters or Dominants. We even limit their choices by setting rules of behaviour, and for many we throw in cooking, cleaning, running the bath and in my case, washing my feet a few times a week. What part of D/s do some folks Not understand? Now, just as we've succeeded in our behaviour modification program, we start hitting our submissives with sticks and things, tieing them up, gagging them, branding them, fucking them senseless...and more.

And........we're judging who exactly?

Oh yes, and I love ordering for my submissive when we go out to dinner and many times I tell her what clothes to wear. If I forget, she gives ME the Look, as if to say "get with the program bud". Then I bring out the "big bamboo" and the evening takes on a different twist.

Just as folks see some play as "extreem" others see some D/s relationships as "extreem". I wouldn't judge them, in six months you could find yourself happily in a similar relationship.

(in reply to Casie)

Page: << < prev 10 11 12 13 [14]

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Alternative Lifestyles in the News >> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia

Page: << < prev 10 11 12 13 [14]

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

5.699