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Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 3:59:27 AM

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Hello to all Master's/Sirs and Doms,

ive just been asked if my Master beats me hard? to which i replied it depends on what you class as hard but if you mean caning, flogging and whipping leaving stripes, bruises and marks that last well over a week then yes and i thank Him for them everytime accordingly.

This persons repsonse was, 'what about punching hard in the stomach?' Now forgive me if im wrong and im well aware that some people partake in extreme sessions of beating their sub/slave, i know Master and i enjoy edge-play so can appear to others as being quite extreme, and this has more than likely been asked before, but when does punching your sub/slave in the stomach or anywhere become an acceptable BDSM past time?

Surely never? i know full well each to their own and one mans kink and all that, im not asking that but surely punching is simply abuse and if not how is pleasure gained from punching your sub/slave? and lets face it we are generally talking about male Doms and female subs/slaves.

Am i being naive? i dont think so but whats the Master's/Sir's/Doms take on this one?

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 4:30:32 AM

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I love to inflict erotic pain - it sates my sadist needs and generally gets the girl where she wants to be, too! Win - win.... But I would NEVER intentionally hurt her, *EVER*! And punching would certainly do that, which makes it a hard limit for me.

As always, what others do in their personal relationships is not my business.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 4:34:49 AM

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Have heard of it, have never tried it but, given the right circumstances I wouldnt say no

Right circumstances meaning it would have to be with someone I really trusted!

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 4:48:10 AM

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I would have a hard time trusting someone who wanted to punch me in the stomach.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 4:50:04 AM

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This is called Thug play in the scene . I don't even like watching it, but to each their own.

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ORIGINAL: Domspaintoy

Hello to all Master's/Sirs and Doms,

ive just been asked if my Master beats me hard? to which i replied it depends on what you class as hard but if you mean caning, flogging and whipping leaving stripes, bruises and marks that last well over a week then yes and i thank Him for them everytime accordingly.

This persons repsonse was, 'what about punching hard in the stomach?' Now forgive me if im wrong and im well aware that some people partake in extreme sessions of beating their sub/slave, i know Master and i enjoy edge-play so can appear to others as being quite extreme, and this has more than likely been asked before, but when does punching your sub/slave in the stomach or anywhere become an acceptable BDSM past time?

Surely never? i know full well each to their own and one mans kink and all that, im not asking that but surely punching is simply abuse and if not how is pleasure gained from punching your sub/slave? and lets face it we are generally talking about male Doms and female subs/slaves.

Am i being naive? i dont think so but whats the Master's/Sir's/Doms take on this one?

Thanks in advance.

dpt.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 5:02:44 AM

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Greetings...

As a vintage girl..i have been around more than a few years..and seen more than a few things...In my time within the local bdsm community i have watched one couple...in particular play... for many years...They are married and played all through her pregnancy..adjusting the level of play as her pregnancy progressed...i know them to be a couple who take safety seriously..even though they play hard..

After her delivery and recovery..i saw them again at the local play party..They did a scene where punching AND kicking were the main components..NOW..i know it was consentual..i know they have probably done this many times before..and i know they were doing this in a "risk aware" manner..BUT even knowing all of that..i could not watch it..It smacked of violence to me..and i could not handle viewing it...My flaw ..not their's... just a comment from a bystander..and no..i have no interest in participating in such a scene..Not much will squick me..but that did..

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 5:25:38 AM

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I would have a hard time trusting someone who wanted to punch me in the stomach.

Exactly. Its unsafe and i cant see how it could ever be made a safe thing to do.

Areflectionofyou, Thanks i didnt know there was even a name for it.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 5:35:13 AM

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Not My bag but I know 'punch play' is enjoyed by some. Normaly restricted to shoulders, arms, legs etc where there is no chance of internal injury.

'belly punching' is something again I know enjoyed by some, though not by anyone I know personaly and carries a MUCH higher risk of actual harm/possible FATAL injurys.

The former I could, IF I was interested in it, do without risk of actual harm, thus have little problem seeing where it could fall within a duty of care. The latter, the risks are simply too high for Me to see it in that light.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 5:36:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: krista

Greetings...

As a vintage girl..i have been around more than a few years..and seen more than a few things...In my time within the local bdsm community i have watched one couple...in particular play... for many years...They are married and played all through her pregnancy..adjusting the level of play as her pregnancy progressed...i know them to be a couple who take safety seriously..even though they play hard..

After her delivery and recovery..i saw them again at the local play party..They did a scene where punching AND kicking were the main components..NOW..i know it was consentual..i know they have probably done this many times before..and i know they were doing this in a "risk aware" manner..BUT even knowing all of that..i could not watch it..It smacked of violence to me..and i could not handle viewing it...My flaw ..not their's... just a comment from a bystander..and no..i have no interest in participating in such a scene..Not much will squick me..but that did..

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See, had something bad happened to her it wouldve been argued that due to recent childbirth the woman was not in her right mind therefore was not consensual and resulting in a prision sentence for the bloke involved.

its just unsafe practice in my opinion and who in these instances who stops this kind of play when all involved think its ok?

dpt.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:14:06 AM

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Greetings...

All play at these events are closely monitored by Dungeon Masters..and as this couple were very experienced ...as a long term couple..i imagine they were less scrutinized..Living in canada..our laws are somewhat different regarding bdsm...Add to the fact that she did not leap from the deliviery table to the play party..i don't know if such a scenerio as you have painted would be the case here..This was one instance where i viewed this kind of play..i'm sure many others engage in it...i just have never seen it before..and i do not care to again..which is my choice..just as it is their's to engage in it..

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:17:24 AM

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It's stunning to see a bunch of people at a BDSM site, most of them self-confessed masochists, cackling together like a bunch of old vanilla biddies: My kink is ok, but your's isn't. I do X, Y and Z, and that's good (because I like it) but anyone who does P or D is bad (because that's not to my taste).

It's really, really simple. The answer to "when does punching your sub/slave in the stomach or anywhere become an acceptable BDSM past time?" is "Whenever those two consesnting adults choose to." It's their life, not yours. I mean, the ludicrous hypocrisy of a person with the nic "Domspaintoy" carping at other people's SM kink, prating on and on about safety and abuse, is OFF THE FUCKING HOOK. It's a wonder you haven't been struck down by lightning.

Safety? Hey, let me a make a wild, wild ass guess. One of you carping about this--I would never trust a person who wanted kink X--likes breath play. Holy fucking ignorance--you people think stomach punching is dangerous? You punch someone in the gut, your hitting their intestines. You'd have to really, really wallop someone to damage them. I've had about 20 Superfights/Tuffman fights over the years, three rounds apiece, and fuck, maybe 200 rounds of serious pick-up and sparring. I was trying to hurt them, and I know in those thousands of punches a few hit someone in the gut, not with their abs tensed, and nobody had a ruptured intestine. It's conceivable that a strong man could haul off and hit a woman hard enough to hurt her, sure. And I could slap a woman full-force, I suppose, with a locked wrist and break her jaw. And you could do electrical play near organs and hurt someone. And you could do....

Hey, listen, pot, please meet kettle. Everything you do, a vanilla person thinks is sick, dangerous, and if they were judemental like you, would think indicated you were not competent and able to give consent. You like being judged because what you do is different? You're just like a judgemental vanilla biddy clucking her tongue.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:17:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

I would have a hard time trusting someone who wanted to punch me in the stomach.

Exactly. Its unsafe and i cant see how it could ever be made a safe thing to do.

Areflectionofyou, Thanks i didnt know there was even a name for it.

dpt.

Yes, it's unsafe as is most of wiitwd...but many people enjoy it and do it in a SSC/RACK sort of way which in my opinion takes it out of the realm of abuse. Everything that we do is considered abuse by someone...certainly by most vanilla's who do not realize that we practice consensually. Practicing consensually, however, does not make an activity safe. It only assumes that the parties involved understand the risks and have decided to do the deeds anyway because they get something out of it. Please, let's be careful how we "label" our practice. I personally do not like punching of any sort. That goes too far for me. But, I support others' rights to engage in such play/scening as long as it's consensual. Now, if I see someone hitting someone in the street, that's another story. That's a 911 call and I let the police sort that out.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:21:37 AM

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Not My bag but I know 'punch play' is enjoyed by some. Normaly restricted to shoulders, arms, legs etc where there is no chance of internal injury.

'belly punching' is something again I know enjoyed by some, though not by anyone I know personaly and carries a MUCH higher risk of actual harm/possible FATAL injurys.

The former I could, IF I was interested in it, do without risk of actual harm, thus have little problem seeing where it could fall within a duty of care. The latter, the risks are simply too high for Me to see it in that light.

You don't know a fucking thing about anatomy or fighting.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:25:12 AM

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I have to agree

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:33:56 AM

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Greetings...

No where in either of my posts..did i use the words..wrong..or bad..or any such negative terms..i explained what i saw...how my mind processed it..and how i made the decision that i did not wish to view that play..which is MY right ..just as it is THEIR right to play howerver they decide between thenselves...i don't like brussel sprouts either..so i don't have them in the house...but honest..i don't think they are a BAD veggie..and any one is free to enjoy them..im just not intersted in watchin...

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:34:16 AM

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A while ago I was punched unintentionally, not in my stomach, but higher up... right between my breasts. Not super hard, but hard enough to knock the wind out of me for about 30 seconds. When I was finally able to breath again I began to cry. Not from pain but from the unexpected shock of what had just happened. He felt awful because it was an accident and afterwards I was somewhat confused because I realized that it turned me on. So this is something I would consider. It has the potential of being a turn on for me.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:38:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Faramir

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Not My bag but I know 'punch play' is enjoyed by some. Normaly restricted to shoulders, arms, legs etc where there is no chance of internal injury.

'belly punching' is something again I know enjoyed by some, though not by anyone I know personaly and carries a MUCH higher risk of actual harm/possible FATAL injurys.

The former I could, IF I was interested in it, do without risk of actual harm, thus have little problem seeing where it could fall within a duty of care. The latter, the risks are simply too high for Me to see it in that light.

You don't know a fucking thing about anatomy or fighting.

Gee, that's a great way to answer a polite answer not directed at you. I DO know a good bit about anatomy and fighting, and I agree with him.

The risks for punching the stomach and torso are higher than punching the shoulders and arms. This is assuming we're talking about your average joe who isn't trained in how to pull punches and what areas can result in internal injuries. There aren't vital organs resting under your biceps. A pull punch to the arm is less likely to break your bones then a misplaced one is to break your ribs. A hard jab to the thigh is less likely to trigger an underlying heart condition than a punch to the chest.
Sure, you or I might be able to beat the crap out of a sub without any higher risk than other play, but most people could not, and this fellow was right in saying that the risks are too high for him to safely just haul off and punch someone in the stomache for shits and giggles.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 6:40:34 AM

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LOL They hypocrisy of this is too funny. It is perfectly acceptable for a man to grab an instrument with his hand and beat the hell out of someone in BDSM play. But if he removes the instrument and just uses his hands then it is no longer BDSM and no fucking way should it ever be done. LOL

I love, love, love rough body play. Kicking, punching, slapping are some of my favorite forms of play. I love that flesh to flesh primal energy that gets going between me and him. It is also just hot to watch.

He will kick, punch and slap just about anywhere. He avoids areas where there is little protection to the internal organs because it is a risk that he does not ususally want to take. However, when I was in kickboxing, I used to get punched in the stomach rather regularly as part of our training and my body is none the worse for wear. So even though it is higher risk than punching other places, it can be done without harming the person.

This is an awesome form of play, very primal and a great release to any pent up emotions. The event in Oklahoma that we just went to had many sessions on this type of play. It is something that is regularly practiced by many.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 7:08:24 AM

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The risks for punching the stomach and torso are higher than punching the shoulders and arms. This is assuming we're talking about your average joe who isn't trained in how to pull punches and what areas can result in internal injuries. There aren't vital organs resting under your biceps. A pull punch to the arm is less likely to break your bones then a misplaced one is to break your ribs. A hard jab to the thigh is less likely to trigger an underlying heart condition than a punch to the chest.
Sure, you or I might be able to beat the crap out of a sub without any higher risk than other play, but most people could not, and this fellow was right in saying that the risks are too high for him to safely just haul off and punch someone in the stomache for shits and giggles.

No, he was being idotic talking about FATAL injuries in all-caps from getting punched in the gut. I read dumb, uninformed stuff here all the time, but that stood out.

Yea, the high schools of America are littered with the dead bodies of kids who get hit in the gut playing football or basketball or rough housing. Kick boxers, MMA fighters and boxers die left and right from getting hit in the gut. It's FATAL I tell you!

People die in fighting from trauma to the brain, most often acute subdural hematoma to the brain or cerebral edema, and much less often Second Impact Syndrome.

Now, if we really want to split hairs, punching someone in their skeleto-muscular system is more risky than punching them in the gut. Those blows are done much harder in general, and carry a real risk of damage to joints, tendons and ligaments, as well as the possibility of ruptures to the muscle belly itself. Not that I really think it's all that dangerous, but if you want to get technical about it, there you go.

FATAL injury, my ass.

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RE: Punching your sub/slave? - 7/4/2007 7:17:14 AM

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I've changed the order here for expedience.

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ORIGINAL: Domspaintoy

Am i being naive?

I can answer this in two words.

Yes, Exceedingly.

now... for this part...

quote:

ive just been asked if my Master beats me hard?

The answer to this - in my world - is to never answer it. Just laugh and say what in the world kind of question is that and why in the world would you even ask me it?

You see, that question is not a question. It's an accusation. Tell me, what constitutes "too hard?" What's "too hard" for one person might just be what floats the boat of another person and when someone asks you if your Master hits you "too hard." They're not asking you. They're telling you what they think of him and just cloaking it in a nice little question designed to make you release information regarding your Master that will confirm what they already presume.

You might say that that's all right, you have nothing to hide and you're proud of your Master and all that - and that's all well and good. But nonetheless, if these folks do not understand bdsm, you've just painted your dominant in a bad light and he's done nothing to deserve that.

If these people were lifestyle people, then I really have NO idea why they'd want to know that beyond the idea that they may be probing to see how committed you actually are to him.

If they were vanilla people concerned for your welfare, and not understanding bdsm, you've now painted the picture of your Master being abusive - something that they will ALWAYS see him as from this time forward - even if they come to grudgingly accept that you two seem happy. It will be the little whisper behind their smiles as they introduce you to others. "This is Sam and martha, two of my dearest friends" And after you move away from them ("I know they look happy, but he beats her and she gets off on it - I don't get it.") and other people will now have that same view.

So the answer to THAT question - even if it's not the question you've brought to us here, at least for me it would be to laugh and point out that that's a really odd question and leave it at that - no information that's negative in any way being put out there about my Master.

juliet

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