Collarchat.com

Join Our Community
Collarchat.com

Home  Login  Search 

RE: trying to understand sadism


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: trying to understand sadism Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 1:18:28 AM   
BossyShoeBitch


Posts: 3931
Joined: 1/13/2007
From: South Florida
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Well then good for you! It sounds like you have an offshoot group of the 'Ancient Royal Order of the Old Swiss Chard'. The group we were with last week was considering a US chapter of 'Collard' members. Each novitiate will be given a collard seed and only those who grow a collard from this seed into a plant which can be used as a neck wrap, or a 'collard-collar' if you will, will be granted entrance. WE have our standards and no splinter group advocating the benefits of fringe players such as the 'slaves of spinach' will be considered 'true' BDSM 'collards'.


  Holy crap that was funny!

_____________________________

A clever man can get out of situations a wise man never gets into...
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

(in reply to Mercnbeth)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 2:11:26 AM   
BossyShoeBitch


Posts: 3931
Joined: 1/13/2007
From: South Florida
Status: offline
  This entire thread really and truly distresses me.
Right or wrong; Long winded or short and to the point; Pompous or humble; opinionated or yielding; I may not agree with what she says, but I will vigorously defend her right to say it..


"If they don't like what I have to say,  nobody is stopping them from changing channels and listening to another radio station."
-Howard Stern


_____________________________

A clever man can get out of situations a wise man never gets into...
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

(in reply to SimplyMichael)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 4:54:17 AM   
lateralist1


Posts: 886
Joined: 11/22/2006
Status: offline
So finally we get down to it.
Thankyou one and all.
It's not what ladyhugs says because I for one never get that far.
It's how she says it.
I'm here to try and communicate, to learn and to have fun.
Style is an important part of the art of communication.
If nobody challenges anyone on the way that they communicate then they never learn.
And yes we all have a right to say what we think and we also have a right not to read what someone is saying.
So ladyhugs if you want us to read what you have to say then I suggest that you change the way that you write. I have to change the way that I talk/write depending on the audience. It has to be an instinctive skill when trying to teachreach people.
Of course you don't have to. If the only reason that you write is to enjoy yourself then that's fine. I for one will continue not to read your posts.
But that would be a shame because you might have something to teach me.
And why on earth shouldn't slaves contribute to the debate?
As a dominant every slaves view point is very important to me.
How am I ever going to understand what a slave needs from me if I don't listen to her/him when she/he has the courage to tell me?
But to get back to the point. I am still trying to work out if I'm a sadist or not.
Does getting a sexual thrill from caning someone once qualify me as one?
Does enjoying really humiliating someone I don't like qualify me as one?
Does wanting to hurt a masochist until they absolutely can't take anymore qualify me as one?
I don't want to call myself a sadist if I'm not because I attempt to be absolutely honest about myself.
So if you could give me a helping hand here I would be very grateful.

(in reply to BossyShoeBitch)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 6:11:22 AM   
TigerNINTails


Posts: 178
Joined: 5/16/2005
Status: offline
Plain and simple here Lateralist1... If you truly enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on another person, regardless if there's enjoyment there for them or not (though ideally for a lot of people apparently, this is important), then you're a sadist.

It's really about whether you enjoy inflicting pain either physically, or mentally or emotionally... Maybe even spiritually ties into it.

From the examples you gave, I think that you are. It doesn't matter if it happened once or 100,000 times. You enjoyed inflicting some level of suffering on someone in some manner, so at least at that point, you were a sadist. Whether you remain one, I guess is told in the future. Well, maybe being a sadist is about consistency in it, and feeling sadistic at one time doesn't qualify, but that's an interesting concept all unto itself.

What if you enjoyed it once, but then you never were able to get into it again, for whatever reason, might just well be irrelevant... What then? Does that mean your a sadist, dyed in the wool, or does that mean that you had a streak of sadism?

Hmmm... I think that's probably another topic altogether, but in my opinion, given all the examples, if they all truly apply to you (and you did say you try to be honest with yourself, so I'm assuming honesty with us), then absolutely... A sadist you are.

Peace.

< Message edited by TigerNINTails -- 7/7/2007 6:14:54 AM >


_____________________________

Consistent Discipline Renders Punishment Unnecessary

(in reply to lateralist1)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 6:50:38 AM   
MzMia


Posts: 5333
Joined: 7/30/2004
Status: offline
I want to publically applaud Master Michael and Master Tiger for the way that they worked out their
disagreement.
They had a great fight, it was wonderful.
If you note, they agreed to disagree in the end.
Isn't that what this is really about?
People have the right to have different opinions, and they have the right to disagree.

What I really like the most, is the way other people stayed the hell out of it and let THEM
work it out.
Bravo Masters!


< Message edited by MzMia -- 7/7/2007 7:04:33 AM >


_____________________________

Namaste'
To Each His/Her Own
"DENIAL ain't just a river in Egypt." Mark Twain


What's your favorite fetish?
"My partner's whisper"--bloomswell

(in reply to SimplyMichael)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 7:08:36 AM   
GhitaAmati


Posts: 3263
Joined: 5/30/2007
Status: offline
To the OP...you wanted to understand sadism....

I propose that this is sadism at its worst...do they really expect us to read through all this and still be able to sensibly respond?

(in reply to MzMia)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 7:21:36 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TigerNINTails

It's really about whether you enjoy inflicting pain either physically, or mentally or emotionally... Maybe even spiritually ties into it.


Lateralist

If you can say Yes to the above... then you are a Sadist!   Don't get catch up in the all the exceptions and conditions of when or how you enjoy the inflicting of pain.  That important that is it doesn't disqualify you from the label.  It is seldom that any Sadist doesn't have exceptions and/or conditions where they will enjoy or not enjoy the nflicting of pain.

Once you establish and accept that a Sadist is what you are to some degree or another.  Then I would suggest you look deeper into the exceptions and conditions of when you enjoy the inflicting of pain.  Seek to understand and grow your own self-awareness of this part of you.  Secondly, Many Sadists seem to see the sadistic part of them as some beast or bad part of them.  Personally, I don't understand this line of thinking.  I like all who I am... but first and foremost I am an ethical and moral person.  This is the core of who I am.  It is my thought that this core self is what guides me in all my many facets.  My sadism is guided by the principles that are internal to who I am.   I am an Ethical Sadist.  My enjoyment of inflicting pain has boundaries that I don't cross.  I can do what I do and look in the mirror and like myself because of it. 

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to TigerNINTails)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 7:23:06 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

To the OP...you wanted to understand sadism....

I propose that this is sadism at its worst...do they really expect us to read through all this and still be able to sensibly respond?


mmmmm I can't see why not

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to GhitaAmati)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 7:56:42 AM   
TigerNINTails


Posts: 178
Joined: 5/16/2005
Status: offline


_____________________________

Consistent Discipline Renders Punishment Unnecessary

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 1:05:06 PM   
LadyHugs


Posts: 2299
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
Dear MzMia, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I agree.  It was nice to see.

Respectfully submitted,
Lady Hugs

(in reply to MzMia)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 8:01:48 PM   
TigerNINTails


Posts: 178
Joined: 5/16/2005
Status: offline
No applause necessary... Just bein' myself. No big squish. I made my point. That was enough.

Peace.


_____________________________

Consistent Discipline Renders Punishment Unnecessary

(in reply to LadyHugs)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/7/2007 9:13:35 PM   
SimplyMichael


Posts: 7229
Joined: 1/7/2007
Status: offline
Dear listners,

I am glad everyone was able to act all smug.

Most respectfully and arrogantly,

The CrappyDom himself.

< Message edited by SimplyMichael -- 7/7/2007 9:14:19 PM >

(in reply to TigerNINTails)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/10/2007 4:00:23 PM   
Kinkypupper


Posts: 713
Joined: 9/26/2004
From: Portland oregon
Status: offline
Inflecting pain is part a control issue, but mostly its the energys that I feed off of the submissive person in pain.
that statement may sound strange to many but it is a "energy" that I strive for.
I enjoy giving them what they desire but is more about me and what I get out of the scene.
Some I have played with put out no energys at all, Some can effect an entire room.

_____________________________

Phil Moulton
A Sensual Touch
Locopony Racing
Portland Oregon

(in reply to pussinbootz)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/11/2007 5:36:14 AM   
NoVacancy


Posts: 21
Joined: 10/3/2006
Status: offline
Is it too late for me to pipe in and say that I, for one, picked up some useful information from reading this thread?  I agree that LadyHugs' style of writing is a bit laborious to interpret (and I think if you hold post #81 up to a mirror there is a recipe for gormet fried wontons there), but I appreciate her willingness to patiently (oh, so patiently) take the time to share her opinions with us and I would hope she would never be discouraged from doing so.  I was a bit surprised to see the vitriol with which Sir Michael indulged when he disagreed with her as he usually seemed more tolerant in the past,  but was glad to see that Tiger took him to task, again very patiently I thought, and that they finally reached the conclusion to agree to disagree.  I don't participate much on the message boards, preferring to read and learn.  So many times, it seems, they disintegrate into bickering and the taking of sides by the contributors to the thread.  I value much of what Sir Michael has contributed to the board and look forward to  learning more from his viewpoints. I haven't seen much of TigerNINTTails until this thread but will keep my eye out for further posts from him because I really admire the way he handled this.  I will always enjoy LadyHugs posts because she makes a concerted effort to always be polite and I admire grace and manners and I appreciate civility, something our society seems all too willing to sacrifice these day in a need for one-upsmanship.  I think in this case, her style was seen as arrogance and she was mocked for it.  That's a shame, I think. 

Anyway.....thanks guys and gals. 

(in reply to Kinkypupper)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 7:32:47 PM   
PAsextoy4u


Posts: 58
Joined: 9/27/2006
Status: offline
This thread is so long I lost track of the message I wanted to comment on LOL  Its somewhere on page 3 or 4 I think! 

Basically, this thread was distrubing for several reasons.  One being how vicious, sarcastic, condescending, arrogant, etc some of the messages were toward LadyHugs.  I dont know her, but as other posters have mentioned, I cant help but notice how much she was attacked.   Some of the Doms here post as if they are the GODS of the World, or GODS of all the submissives, or GODS of something LOL  Perhaps something that needs flushed a bit more often!  Is it that hard to just shut up and let others express THEIR opinions???  Does a Dominant woman really rock your boat that much, or disturb your world that much??? Surely you dont want every woman of the world dropping at your feet??? LOL

The real disturbing part of this thread was reading just how much some Doms/Dommes enjoy hurting others and inflicting pain.  No, I not one of those subs who is "into" pain.  I read this thread hoping to better understand sadism.  I had a hard time reading all the posts, as the idea of someone enjoying inflicting pain on another to be nauseating.

I realize my background fuels my distaste for this, and my spiritual beliefs about the human body makes sadism incomprehensible.  Reading this thread did nothing to help me understand it better or accept it.   How another person can enjoy, even be aroused by, the deliberate infliction of pain on another human being is beyond me.  And just because some one believes they need or want pain still doesnt justify it to me. 

As a submissive, I dont understand how inflicting pain and body injury and tissue damage is taking care of ones submissive.  Doing that repeatedly causes irreversible damage, either tissue damge or damage to the endocrine system.  It will wear out the adrenal glands and the pancreas.  As a submissive gets older, her body will break down.  I cant help notice how many submissives have auto-immune diseases or conditions. 

What no one really addressed is WHY does inflicting pain arouse you or make you feel powerful?   Why doesnt being loving and tender arouse you?  Has any sadist ever explored where that need to inflict pain comes from?   Where or how did the wires get crossed in some people that causes them to NEED and/or ENJOY inflicting pain on another person???   It SEEMS so hateful, so mean, so angry, so vicious. 

Im sure I will get roasted and flamed for this.  I am not trying to offend anyone, I am truly trying to understand.   I have had a couple of sadits try to talk me into playing with them, despite the clarity in my profile about NOT being into pain.  They didnt accept my choice of NOT taking pain just for their pleasure.  They didnt understand why I wouldnt try it at least once.  And I dont understand why or how they can deliberately inflict pain. 

What am I missing here???  Why is being a sensuous submissive and NOT wanting pain considered so wrong here???   And how do seemingly intelligent, reasonable, engaged people make it OK in their minds to inflict pain, whether their sub likes it or not???  

(in reply to NoVacancy)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 7:45:08 PM   
Sinergy


Posts: 9383
Joined: 4/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I stand before you on this most modest of soapboxes and and will proceed to excite a mixed blend of molecules consisting of primarily nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon dioxide and an assortment of other gasses.  The exitement of those gasses by me will cause them to rise but however, the vibrations emanating from my vocal cords will carry the thoughts now formed into words in  your direction and will be then converted into electical impulses which will pass into your brain and be reinterpreted as words.
 


Im still trying to figure out why he is talking to his keyboard while he stands on a box of soap.

Kinky.

Sinergy

_____________________________

"There is a fine line between clever and stupid"
David St. Hubbins "This Is Spinal Tap"

"Every so often you let a word or phrase out and you want to catch it and bring it back. You cant do that, it is gone, gone forever." J. Danforth Quayle


(in reply to SimplyMichael)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 8:36:09 PM   
LadyHugs


Posts: 2299
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
Dear PAsextoy4u, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In another effort to explain from my side of Sadism; there are many flavors of pain that can be used and unfortunately, all to often abused.
 
Indeed there are as many types of Sadists and masochists as there are ice cream flavors at Baskin Robbins.  It really is difficult to put something that is felt and sensations used as to create the chemical reactions as to make a launch into flying or subspace; into terms with any solid results.  Again, some people see the glass half empty, others see it half full.
 
I will do my best to give an example or so, to explain 'pain' before the pleasure aspects.  One example only women who have given birth can know all too well--the labor, discomfort, the work and the tears, the hormonal roller-coaster as the baby is ready to come into the world we're in--not within Mom.  It is that labor, the pain which you know will bring the bundle of joy in your life--it is that goal which gives resolve to see you through much pain.  Some Moms are lucky and don't have much pain at all. But, each birth--is unique and no two are the same.
So, why do women go through the pain? --Answers are many.  Another example is the pain before orgasm for some.  It is that brief pain before release and then the body seemingly creates it's own 'sleep aid.'  Have you noticed how guys need to lay back and recover--hard work.  Of course they need to do a lot of work as they do the 'Elvis Pelvis' per se.  Women can also experience this brief pain before release.  It is just but for a moment--so why do humans push beyond the pain--perhaps as most may find; it is the relief after the pain.  Athletes are another group which often say; 'No pain-no gain.'  So, why do track people push themselves so hard and push through pain--not only for competition but, sometimes for their self pride, image and accomplishment.  Running a race--the joy of winning--that 'high' is much like sub-space. 
 
Those seeking that rush or endorphin high--cannot achieve it on their own.  It is like medical studies that show, people who are ticklish aren't ticklish when they attempt to tickle themselves.  The need for an external aid, device and or in S&M; the Sadist provides the external force that the body as well as the mental and emotional side cannot mute.  Again, tickling factor--that other person can tickle.  Should it not be known, tickling can be a form of Sadism. 
 
As for me, I work with reactions -- negotiations are when I do find out how the boundaries are for that person.  Again, people are their own best Masters.  They know what gets them in a happy space and for some--it requires a bit of pain before they go into subspace.  Some cases have been extremely brief discomfort and they're off in subspace happy.
 
I must make another effort, as to explain that there is a difference between 'hurting' someone and 'pain' scenes.  I go back to a person's intentions.  Only the person's spirit of intent knows for sure-- I don't like to 'hurt' people.  I will enjoy delivering pain to those who seek it as to create the body chemical within them to create that 'high' like a drug trip or being super buzzed with drinking--and all without injesting/consuming drugs and or alcohol to do so.  My pleasure comes from delivering my skills, knowledge as to permit that person to have a high without using drugs and or alcohol.  We are also witnessing of late, the medical studies by Russian doctors how S&M 'can'/'may' give healthy benefits.
 
For me, I won't participate in humiliation and or a pain scene without the full cooperation and consent of the other party.  It isn't fun for me if the other person isn't having fun.  To me, pain play does not require injury, tissue damage and heavy impact.  If I can achieve the same result by a tap like twiddling a Number 2 pencil between my fingers type of impact or touch if you will--as others do with massive hard strikes with a cane--I shall do so.  Working with the electrical system of the body (nerves) I will.  One of my favorite S&M scenes involves textures and sensations --did anybody realize or care to notice, that color of bunny furs also have different textures?  Mind games, suggesting and tricking the body and body is a form of Sadism--guessing wrong about the color fur could be just as fun and no impact period.  It is much like taste testing with the food but, in this form--it is testing and feeling with textures, sensations and having fun with the reactions.  For example moistened braided leather from an old cheap bullwhip, it can be suggested that it is a snake--using creative juices; suggestions can create the mental sadism for somone.  For those in the modern scene it is known as a "Brain/Mind F__k."
It is fun for me, to see someone to confuse burlap for a bunny fur pelt and a bunny fur pelt with sandpaper.  I mention this sort of Sadism; where it does not have to require 'pain' or 'injury' to the body.  It is even more fun when the submissive/masochist has lost time.  They think they have only been worked with for thirty minutes; when in fact they have been scened with for over four hours.  Tired without having to 'work' --it is a pleasure to see them happy and high in subspace just for sensation sadism.
 
Because it is an electrical exchange, energy will be exchanged.  It is only broken off when the scene or role play is finished.  It is much like an echo, where energy bounces off each other like voices repeat back.  It is much like a dance and as a person recieving pain may cry or laugh and other reactions; we remain connected and we enjoy them in their moment of discomfort; much like the contorted face of a lover about ready to cum.  To deny the relief--is at times more cruel than the discomfort or burn and or pain prior to orgasm.  This can be proven independently if a woman; by placing a vibrating 'egg' at high vibration against the clitorus--as much as it builds it then feels hot to a woman, then the pricklely pain and the desire to make it stop comes--you hold it on that side of the clitorus and then you thrash and 'suffer' per se--seeing it through you stop or remove it from the clitorus--this too is a form of sadism but, more on the sensual side.  The throbbing, twitching--this is the pleasure to sadism and to get there the pain to get the pleasure aspects.  It is also a release and relief.  Body chemicals change the mixture or recipe if you will--all these stages are body chemical changes--as the nerve bundles may be the wiring--the conducting forces are the external influences, such as pain, pleasure and relief.  For those who aren't mechanical--the car battery has metal plates inside the case, filled with acid (especially older batteries), the positive energy and negative energy poles go to the alternator--which regulates and balances the energy.  A Sadist is similar to an alternator and generator which goes into the battery (the masochist/submissive) and the chemicals react with the plates and thus creates the juice/power of a battery.  It is good practice to check the battery as to keep the liquid covering the plates; usually water is added.  As a Sadist, I check in with the submissive/mascohist as to maintain a balance with them as much as they do for themselves.
 
Some wish to wear their marks as a pride thing.  It is a bit like holding the trophy or ribbon.
It isn't so much being injured--but, something of real pride.  Others do not wish marks--again, certain techniques won't leave marks and or marks that disappear in a few hours.  Each person's body heals differently.
 
Sadism can be used as to promote catharsis.  A person who needs and wants to cry but cannot, may find that in a catharsis frame of which some pain applied triggers the emotions and sensations to which creates the door or window of opportunity to permit a purge, healing and renewal.  This is not a punishment venue--but, in my mind's eyes--a healing venue.  I do this out of love and concern.  It is just another tool.  For some, it might just be as affective as embracing them in a hug, holding them close and petting them with the kindest of touches.  This too can be just as affective as a flogging with anything from bunny pelts and or mink stoal and or a cat-o-nine tails. I work as to tailor things to the individual.
 
Sometimes S&M doesn't need a reason other than for just plain fun.  Again, it really is an individual thing and each couple really have to tailor things to suit the wants and needs of those involved.
 
Religon and Sadism.  I often think of the conversations with a Catholic Priest who also was the legal council of the Catholic Church to which he often shared his personal perspectives as far as the rites, rituals and ceremonies of the historical and modern Church.  (I am not Catholic by the way but, we had a mutual enjoyment of history and law).  By his experiences, being rather old at the time, was brought up in the times of his teachers relating how they wore scratchy clothes and subjected to flagulations and or self flagulations.  He said, the intent was at that time for the opportunity for atonement.  This gave the opportunity to reflect, to suffer and or pay in a way, for their sins as Jesus did for all mankind.  We see this occasionally on TV in some Middle-East's religous practices where men take a chain flail and beat their shoulders hard.
Of course the Inquisition period was in the eyes of the Church at that time, to have people confess their sins and convert back to the Church as the only 'true' salvation.  Again, times have changed and methods have changed --and yet at times remains the same. 

 
It is medical fact, that over doing with impact, clamping and binding; will result in doing injury to the body.  This is why I want so much for better medical education on what is done in the scene.  Knowing medical facts and laying out the risks are important to me--I share risks with all my play partners, as to inform them as to permit them to make choices regarding their body.
 
History of civilization has many incidents of which can be deemed elements of Sadism.  It is hoped by these days and within the community at large; that it is for the right reasons for those involved in giving sadist techniques as much as it for those who recieve sadistic techniques; to include leaving people in the same and or better condition than when we started.

 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

 
 
 
 
 
 

< Message edited by LadyHugs -- 7/12/2007 9:30:46 PM >

(in reply to PAsextoy4u)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 9:31:50 PM   
SimplyMichael


Posts: 7229
Joined: 1/7/2007
Status: offline
Dearest LadyHugs, ladies and gentleman,

Thanks for attending my presentation today I feel honored that you all think of me as an expert and I hope you sit still and don't fidget while your betters speak.  Bear with me as I am a bit tired, I despise female dominants so much I spent the last two days at the house of a dear Female Dominant respected by the likes of Jay Wiseman and others and all we did was talk about bdsm and the scene for two entire days.  Anyway, I digress, back to the issue at hand.

LadyHugs, couple ole questions.

quote:

  It really is difficult to put something that is felt and sensations used as to create the chemical reactions as to make a launch into flying or subspace; into terms with any solid results


Other than the evidence presented in this thread by multiple people who have a command of the English language as to how this works, I can at least agree that it IS a chemical reaction.  Please remember this point as you contradict it later.

quote:

Have you noticed how guys need to lay back and recover {after ejaculation} --hard work.

Okay, since you are big on "medical information" this is a silly way of saying this since the fact men have to "lay back and recover" has nothing to do with "hard work" and instead is related to the fact that men release a cocktail of brain chemicals, including norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, nitric oxide (NO), and the hormone prolactin.

quote:

Those seeking that rush or endorphin high--cannot achieve it on their own.  It is like medical studies that show, people who are ticklish aren't ticklish when they attempt to tickle themselves. 

 
Frankly, even for you this one stunned me.  You just finished talking about runners, who run to get an endorphin high.  Again for someone who closes their post with how much they care for "medical info" how could you make such an ignorant claim?
 
quote:

Because it is an electrical exchange, energy will be exchanged.

 
There is no electrical exchange, the energy that is spoken of isn't "electrical" and since you spent the first half of your post talking about how it is "chemical" energy, why have you suddenly switched to it being an exchange of electrical energy?  While the body uses electrical impulses internally, there is no external exchange.
 
quote:

  It is medical fact, that over doing with impact, clamping and binding; will result in doing injury to the body.  This is why I want so much for better medical education on what is done in the scene.


So will cutting someone's head off but we aren't talking about that either but that sure does make you sound informed and caring.  However, in my experience and in talking with Dungeon Monitors from the various playspaces in San Francisco, very few people get injured and most stories here are even second hand. 

That said, and while I am glad to hear you think medical information is important but perhaps you should get some before you sit here making a presentation to the "Dear ladies and gentleman" of this board, most of whom would never have made the gross mistakes present in your post.

For the record, my only mentor was a dominant woman, I am friends with one of the more influential female pro-dommes in the bay area, my ex was a dominant woman before she met me and is again, my current partner is a dominant woman, I am one of the few who can stand a well known female dominant in my area and I could go on.  My issue with LadyHugs has ZERO to do with the fact that she is dominant or a woman, if she was a man I would probably be even less nice...

(in reply to LadyHugs)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 11:01:08 PM   
LadyHugs


Posts: 2299
Joined: 1/1/2004
Status: offline
SimplyMichael;
 
I have not attended any presentations where you were in attendence.  It is another case of being unkind.
 
I have spoken to medical doctors...one is a neurologist as well as in the lifestyle. He is known as Dr. Leather in Ohio and several have met him at MAL.
 
I have also spoken to a OB-GYN who is also in the lifestyle and knows well about orgasms and works closely with Endocrinologists.
 
In my teens--I ran track.  I experienced the same similar 'high' or 'flying' as I did when on the slave side of Sado-masochism when I won. My "sports medicine" doctor; Dr. McMahon, MD was also Doctor for the Washington Redskins [John Kent Cooke era].  He explained to me what and why I was feeling this 'flying' state.  Commentary by Jackie Joiner on ABC Sports has also mentioned the 'high' and the 'rush' they get; especially when they won a track meet.  I'm sure other individuals have expressed themselves.
 
Master David aka Dr. David -- Phychiatrist; also a member of the lifestyle has discussed this.
 
This is not counting others with medical backgrounds, that are in the local scene.
 
I apologize to those reading this thread, as to see this extended into a sad experience.
 
Sadly,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 

(in reply to SimplyMichael)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: trying to understand sadism - 7/12/2007 11:56:30 PM   
SimplyMichael


Posts: 7229
Joined: 1/7/2007
Status: offline
I didn't accuse you of not talking to doctors, I accused you of getting the facts wrong.

As for being unkind, how would you treat someone who presents themselves an an expert and yet makes post after post of false and ignorant information?  Last time I called you on your errors you edited your post to correct them and then claimed I was just being mean.  Low and behold, you edited your post again right after I posted about your obvious errors.

I am only asking you to correct the more glaring errors in your post and explain why you  continually make them about some rather basic concepts and yet continue to present yourself as an expert and community leader.

You do it again in this post, you state:

quote:

  In my teens--I ran track.  I experienced the same similar 'high' or 'flying' as I did when on the slave side of Sado-masochism when I won.


quote:

  Those seeking that rush or endorphin high--cannot achieve it on their own.  It is like medical studies that show, people who are ticklish aren't ticklish when they attempt to tickle themselves.


Uh which is it?  Oh, and it is NOTHING like tickling.

(in reply to LadyHugs)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: trying to understand sadism Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2024
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.081