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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 8:01:23 PM

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You cant consent to something elegal so even if the sub consented to such a thing it still would be elegal and get you in trouble... Personaly for me it wouldnt be something I would consent to, I may be a slave but Im not caddle and wish to be treated as the valuble human I am. Also I beleave the one choice a slave does have is who they are a slave to, what you are stateing would be takeing that one right away.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 8:21:24 PM

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slavery is ilegal so you can't be a slave, by your standards. consenting makes it legal.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 8:25:07 PM

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I like how you quickly covered up your perspective of slaves as inferiors with the second post, emphasizing on consent and fantasy so we dont make fun of you again like in previos posts.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 8:28:44 PM

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Why am I not surprised to read that he's a 22 year old slave trainer?

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 8:32:08 PM

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I am not even going to dignify that with a response.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:03:28 PM

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And people wonder why I think training and trainers as well as people who walk around offering themselves up as mentors are best avoided?

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:20:12 PM

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Mentors are creepy old guys, I am a young guy with a lot of experience, I do not say I know it all, but I know enough about Myself to know that I train slaves better than keeping them. But i am still learning like everyone. I do not think that just b/c you are older you know more than me. Older doesn't mean more experience, you can be 56 and just starting off in bdsm.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:27:06 PM

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I once went to a pot luck where we were supposed to bring ethnic dishes, I brought one and labeled it "Long Pork - New Guinea" and nobody got it...oh well.

You of course wore the chef's apron that says "We love to serve our fellow man" ...

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Don't tease the child. You KNOW that he'll get all angry and stamp his feet and cry again.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:27:50 PM

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My 2 cents, I would never trade my boys. Then again I would never trade my animals either. I spend entirely too much time and effort cultivating what I have with them to decide on a whim to give them away. You couldnt pay me enough to be without Angel. I am releasing Kitten for his own good, but not into the hands of someone else who I couldnt be sure would have his best interests at heart. If you wish to put the time and effort into training a slave for someone else, then by all means go for it. My boys are trained for me and I am not giving them up for anyone.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:41:30 PM

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I agree with that. But one thing, I will not call myself a Master on my profile except in the name b/c I do not have enough experience to call myself a Master, so instead I call myself a trainer until I find the right slave at the right time that she can call me her Master. And I don't feel like that's wrong in someway. first you start off as a novice and then you go to intermediate and then you go to expert. Just like that there are levels to becoming a Master.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:46:21 PM

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My response wasnt specificaly to you, JBK, but in general to the idea of having a slave trade.
I train them to serve me. I cannot train them to serve someone else. I only know what *I* like. It just seems like too much work to put into something you arent going to get to keep and benefit fro yourself. Not to say I havent released some after training them, but it was never started with the understanding that I wouldnt be keeping them long term or permanetly if it worked out that way.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 9:59:51 PM

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I apologize I thought you were directing your comment at me so I replied.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:03:42 PM

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In case you hadn't noticed and no one has told you yet, every slave is different and every master is different and every slave/master relationship is different. Some masters treat their slaves like chattel and some treat treat them like a member of the family. Thats just something that each particular slave and master needs to decide for themself. And some men rather enjoy saggy breasts.

I did inspect my slave thoroughly before deciding to keep her and I do plan on having her tattooed, but I will never consider trading her, or selling her, or giving her away. She is a treasure to me, my MVP (most valuable possesion). My life is immensly and immeasurably better with her in it and I know that I got lucky when I found her. I've been around long enough to know that I probably won't get this lucky again and I make very sure that she wants nothing more than to remain my slave. I don't take her for granted and I take very good care of her, sometimes to the point of spoiling her, but I would rather spoil her than take the risk of losing her. I think even in ancient times, some slaves were highly valued by their masters and I certainly value mine too much to think of letting her go to another master, although I do enjoy watching her serve a domme now and then.

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ORIGINAL: zack2912

Why should slaves not be traded like livestock ( cattle etc ) by physically checking the health - teeth , hips and breast ( firm and not sagging ) , anal and pubic area examination for disease , movements like jump , run , limb movement etc. among masters or traders like ancient times ?

Should they not be branded by tattoos etc after being traded / sold

I know its not legal but does it give you an insight about the rights and sentiments of a slave ?

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:48:45 PM

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Another thing slave auctions are hot but not all slaves would enjoy being a sold to someone for any length of time as a toy for them to use and play with at their leisure. Some male slaves would really enjoy being auctioned off. Most female slaves wouldn't b/c that brings back memories of times one hundred years ago when the women was basically a slave to the man. Then again there are those "dumb cows" as I put it in My contract, who would love it. I think there are a lot of "smart slaves" on here who would disagree with the idea of auction. smart slaves is another term from My contract.

What data to have to support that "most female wouldn't because that brings back memories of times...." statement? I would love to be sold off for a determined length of time (think a hour or a night of non-sexual play), especially if the money made from the auction went to charity. A group at my school auctions off a dance with a particular guy to raise money. A lot of the women are annoyed by the "male only" policy because we want to raise more money and we think auctioning off the women would bring in more.

However, anyone attempting to sell or auction me off for real would find themselves having a very difficult time...

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:52:31 PM

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Mentors are creepy old guys, I am a young guy with a lot of experience, I do not say I know it all, but I know enough about Myself to know that I train slaves better than keeping them.

Mentors are people, generally older then you, who have more experience and are willing to teach you. I count my lucky stars that Valyraen and I have found so many wonderful people with more experience who were willing to teach us. As far as training goes though, I have to say I find the idea of training slaves useless if you aren't going to keep them because most masters differ on what they want from a slave.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:54:47 PM

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why do you have to pick apart everyones arguement? okay most of my female sub friends who happen to be 30 and over.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:55:36 PM

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~fast reply~

Slave trade is technically illegal, yes.
That said, so is a lot of WIITWD.

It depends on the slave in question, really.
In a more literal interpretation, a slave is property.
By default, any property one owns is indeed transferrable.
A modern concept of property is more comprehensive, however.
Many jurisdictions do not allow one to sell a DVD one owns to another.
Similarly, it is not incompatible with slavery to include conditions of ownership.
Those may, and will for most, prohibit the owner from transferring ownership to another.
Again, dealing with it from the angle of the modern concept of property, not from the judicial side.

Legally speaking, I don't think you're crossing a line that hasn't already been crossed, as the slave remains as free as ever to run away or whatever. In certain relationships, this is acceptable, in others it is not. But unless one has taken steps to prevent it, I think it would be hard to build a case supporting the assertion that it falls under trafficking. And I don't think the people who work with trafficking would want to waste their time cracking down on it, as it is as obvious to them as to us that it isn't the same thing at all.

But, yeah, there is no consensus definition of slave, outside the literal one, so one can't say anything general about such transfers of ownership, save that it depends on the nature of the relationship between the slave and the owner. Some would prefer chattel slavery, some would prefer to stay with one owner but will accept a transfer, most will not accept a transfer at all. Except for the latter group, I don't see a problem with it, and think some people could find it a trip that adds to their enjoyment.

Some of it comes down to the idea of slavery as a relationship model vs. slavery as a status or institution.

In private, and with a lot of the people I talk to, I use the term slave exclusively in reference to slavery as a status which is independent of the relationship aspect- with the defining characteristic of the relationship side of things being a modern concept of ownership- and use submissive in reference to other forms of power dynamic. But online, I just try to go with whatever the people I'm replying to call it, for lack of more precise terms in the lifestyle. Down the path of this digression, though, lies a lot of four letter word bandying, or so my crystal ball tells me, so I'll leave it at that.

A voluntary trading network with people vouching for each other would go a long way toward M/s speed-dating, though.

Hmm... slaveBay.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:58:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterJBK

why do you have to pick apart everyones arguement?

Probably because this is a community forum, not your blog.
And because she, like me, thinks the argument fails.

P.S.: I'd suggest touching up the avatar. It looks really sinister.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 10:59:35 PM

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okay most of my female sub friends who happen to be 30 and over.

As you said yourself, age doesn't matter. My female friends disagree with your statement, ranging from college age to the age of your friends.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/1/2007 11:00:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

P.S.: I'd suggest touching up the avatar. It looks really sinister.

You really think his avatar looks sinister?

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