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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 5:55:09 AM

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The last 2 girls I tried to trade,I soon discovered, could not be given away, not even to men who had said if you ever tire of her I will take her in each girl's case. I suspect the universe of folks that would be willing to trade their beasts is so small that if a girl is in the slightest displeasing to anyone she has tainted her market value beyond redemption.

That being said there is also the little factor of human trafficing laws, but somehow the bikers get around that. In my younger days my roommates and I had a girl at our place for about 6 weeks while she got established in a new job and got her own place. This girl had been traded around.....her ass was tatooed PROPERTY OF JOHN SMITH (fill in different names) 5 times with all but the last name crossed out. She had been a biker chick and from what I hear they do trade their property and mark it's ownership.

This would make the gorean way of marking girls seem far superior.....brand her with the mark of a slave on her left thigh.....and make her ownership a marking or tag on her collar. I am not sure I would want a beast where I had to look at another's ownership mark, even obscured, on her body everyday.

Just a few thoughts from one man.

CB
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It works in the biker world because everyone who is in the part of the biker world that participates in this practice lives by the same rules. So if you get involved as an "old lady" then you agree to it. The key thing is that everyone knows the rules and lives by them.
Now I know that most take exception to this but those who live like that accept it and that what works for them.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 5:56:07 AM

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With all this talk about creating slavebay. Got to thinking about forming a business called Rent-A-Dom. I figure if you want to trade and sell slaves back and forth, then why not allow us the option to rent a dom, that way we'll try out different ones until we find one that's better for our needs! *ROFLMFAO*

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 6:09:04 AM

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Not quite Rent a Dom but when my local kink group decided to raise funds for a charitable cause we did a Dominant and submissive for the night auction. The dominants brought in the most money! I have the bragging rights to say that I was the dominant with the highest bid price for the night. It was very flattering to have a three way bidding war going on over a chance to play with me.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 6:17:04 AM

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Has anyone checked out www.owk.com or has anyone visited it in person ?

why cant we have something with Male masters ??

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 6:29:45 AM

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 6:49:16 AM

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Well, the slaveBay option would let you find them faster, too.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 6:51:07 AM

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who said i have never been a sub. i was a switch before i realized that i love being dominant and i only somewhat like being a sub. don't make generalizations about ppl you don't know

Really? So, please enlighten me....when exactly was the last time you were a female submissive?

It's not a generalization to say that you're not female and that you've never been in the role of one.

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ORIGINAL: MasterJBK

Most female slaves wouldn't b/c that brings back memories of times one hundred years ago when the women was basically a slave to the man.

This bolded part is a generalization. You said that I wasn't "Most of the female submissive population". I stated that I'm closer to it than you are and said that you shouldn't make generalizations about the emotions of a role that you've never been in. I can with almost 100% certainty say that you've never been a female submissive. That is not a generalization.

Next you can describe to us what labor pains feel like.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 7:24:19 AM

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i already apologized for that.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 7:49:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterJBK

who said i have never been a sub. i was a switch before i realized that i love being dominant and i only somewhat like being a sub. don't make generalizations about ppl you don't know

Really? So, please enlighten me....when exactly was the last time you were a female submissive?

It's not a generalization to say that you're not female and that you've never been in the role of one.

You said:

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ORIGINAL: MasterJBK

Most female slaves wouldn't b/c that brings back memories of times one hundred years ago when the women was basically a slave to the man.
This bolded part is a generalization. You said that I wasn't "Most of the female submissive population". I stated that I'm closer to it than you are and said that you shouldn't make generalizations about the emotions of a role that you've never been in. I can with almost 100% certainty say that you've never been a female submissive. That is not a generalization.

Next you can describe to us what labor pains feel like.

But you didn't say female submissive i don't care what is implied i just got done arguing with a girl over not to imply anything. no you are not closer to it then me every submissive is different, especially submissives slaves and you didn't just say that."Neither do you. A word of wisdom: you shouldn't make generalizations about emotions from the perspective of a role that you haven't been in. " how do you know i have never been a sub, you know that i have been a switch and you are talking about the role not the gender. try not to get into a symantics battle with me. and yes i was a sub/switch for a year to a domme until i took control.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 8:28:06 AM

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as a slave, i think the "slaveBay" idea could really work. mostly as a means to loan, rent, or trade for services, but the options of buying and selling could be available as well. money would change hands discreetly, except in the cases of trades.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 12:38:47 PM

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as a slave, i think the "slaveBay" idea could really work. mostly as a means to loan, rent, or trade for services, but the options of buying and selling could be available as well. money would change hands discreetly, except in the cases of trades.

I think so, too, and I've been giving thought to at least writing the software and such to play with the idea. Before I could do anything more serious about it, though, I'd need someone to do the webdesign and such. Hosting could probably be in the Netherlands or in Japan, where there are (IIRC) no legal issues with this kind of activity. Elsewhere, it is a legally gray zone.

Anyway, a pretty cool idea, in my opinion.
I agree that any money can be handled in the usual ways, or personally.
For instance, the slave can get the money before returning, in the case of loaning or renting.

Such a site could work off the same kind of reputation system as eBay uses, which tends to do a good job of tracking who is serious and who is not. But one needs to add the CYA- and safety-measure of having some means of validation or identification. That could either be in the form of existing members inviting new ones and vouching for them, or by using regular verification via conventional verification. The former is preferrable in many ways, I think, as it means there is no central registry of identities, but if there is a legal issue, it still isn't a big problem to find the identity, as the person vouching for them has it (or is legally culpable for misrepresenting them). Such a system gives some protection against predators by providing detection (there is a record of the transaction) and response (one can identify a perpetrator).

In any case, I like the idea.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 12:48:42 PM

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Just an FYI. You guys are treading a very thin line here with the TOS. In fact, you've probably actually stepped over it already, but that's for the Mods to decide.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 12:54:45 PM

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I'll go reread them. My apologies if I've crossed the line.

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As far as I can tell, there isn't a line being crossed, unless the mods choose to exercise their discretion. There was no solicitation, and we are talking about people who have consented to participating in relationships of this nature, after all, not trafficking. If you see anything that is in violation of the US criminal code or the Norwegian criminal code, let me know, and I'll remove it.

Though I'll probably point out about a dozen current threads that are in violation afterwards.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 1:06:36 PM

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Why should slaves not be traded like livestock ( cattle etc ) by physically checking the health - teeth , hips and breast ( firm and not sagging ) , anal and pubic area examination for disease , movements like jump , run , limb movement etc. among masters or traders like ancient times ?

Should they not be branded by tattoos etc after being traded / sold

I know its not legal but does it give you an insight about the rights and sentiments of a slave ?

firm not sagging breasts???? lil boy i AM sorry to ruin your ides of the "perfect" slave but as time goes on gravity takes over fact of life deal with and move on ..so basically what you are saying is that older slaves she just be forgotten and just thrown away like yesterdays garbage because their tits sag .. bravo you have just shown the world your ignorance with that

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 1:51:03 PM

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Sorry Aswad,

My post was actually a fast reply and I forgot to put the little ~fr~ that I usually use to denote such. It wasn't specific to you.. but rather regarding the posting about buying and selling of humans in general, consensual or not, to which I was referring. I do believe such is a violation of the TOS guidelines as I read them, but, again, that's the Mods jobs to determine. I'd hate to see posters whom I enjoy reading get moderated so was just throwing out a general caution to tread lightly on this subject.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 4:08:18 PM

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No need to apologize, Celeste.

The warning was appreciated, in any case.

Best wishes,
al-Aswad.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 5:59:26 PM

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how do you know i have never been a sub, you know that i have been a switch and you are talking about the role not the gender.

The role was a female submissive. End of story.

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try not to get into a symantics battle with me. and yes i was a sub/switch for a year to a domme until i took control.

I don't do battle with the unarmed.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 7:00:13 PM

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role doesn't not imply gender. gender implies gender. role implies submissive dominant or switch. be more specific in what you imply next time.

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 7:24:42 PM

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Hi

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What i am trying to say is that it can be done by the sub / slaves consent and i am sure they r going to enjoy this experience of a new master and the uncertainty associated with it

i have a Master that i love, he is kind and takes care of me, we share many interests and like being together. Why would i like being traded of to somone unknown? While i am sure there are subs and slave that would enjoy being sold of, many, many more would not, first of all not that many subs are interested in total slavery, and those that are, tend to love their Masters and enjoy staying right where they are. Being a slave do not mean you love misery and uncertinty.

i wish you well

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RE: SLAVE TRADE - 8/2/2007 8:00:38 PM

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How about a Master Trade? I would gladly exchange zach2912 and MASTERJBK for better posters

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