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There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 6:54:52 PM

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There is one human race but 'race' as it's commonly accepted here with its colourful definition (pink, brown, peach, and green) simply doesn't exist. It's very possible that I, a seemingly white Jewish chick from Europe, could have more in common with Nelson Mandela, a Zulu from South Africa, than with my cousin Billy Goldenberg from Australia.

I attach a handy-clickable for information. Fuck, I'm mad.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 6:56:41 PM

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And the reason why I'm mad is because fuckers keep on going on about other races than their own, as if 'their own' existed in the first place: wilful imbeciles.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:07:43 PM

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An interesting tidbit from a documentary I saw a while back. When it comes to the genetic level, there is no such thing as a breed of dog. Technically, there is no such thing as a "dog," because they are all wolves. You can't tell a Chihuahua from a St. Bernard from an Arctic Wolf. Yet strangely, Cocker Spaniels are lot more likely to pee all over themselves and the floor when they get excited.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:09:24 PM

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I think that we also share half our genetic material with fruit flies, if I'm remembering the info from my Physical Anthropology class. Fun, eh? Oh, and our *closest* genetic relatives are the Bonobos (for some time, aka pygmy chimps). They're fun to read about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:23:21 PM

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Races certainly do exist. Though they may become more entwined now. And there is scientific basis for it... very commonly known ones, too..

Still, who cares? We don't all have to be one race to get along.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:35:57 PM

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Races certainly do exist. Though they may become more entwined now. And there is scientific basis for it... very commonly known ones, too..

Still, who cares? We don't all have to be one race to get along.

There is more genetic variability within a "race", than there is between "races".

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:47:14 PM

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Races certainly do exist. Though they may become more entwined now. And there is scientific basis for it... very commonly known ones, too..

Still, who cares? We don't all have to be one race to get along.

There is more genetic variability within a "race", than there is between "races".

Would you mind citing a source of this opinion? More out of curiousity than necessity.

Even if it's true, races still do exist. I do not feel ignoring this truth is a healthy approach to countering racism.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 7:56:36 PM

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Yeah, but there's only three: Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid. Hisanioloid, Iraqaloid, and Americannoyed are made up.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:02:00 PM

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Races certainly do exist. Though they may become more entwined now. And there is scientific basis for it... very commonly known ones, too..

Still, who cares? We don't all have to be one race to get along.

Of course, since we all had shared a toast at the great DNA cocktail all these years ago, it's within us to all get along.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:02:58 PM

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You know, for a genius, you sure do subscribe to a lot of antiquated scientific notions.

Here, this is Africa alone. How many races do you count?

http://class.csuhayward.edu/faculty/gmiller/3710/DNA_PDFS/mtDNA/Af-mtHap_map.jpg

Just for fun...here's Europe:

http://www.geocities.com/littlednaproject/Y-MAP.GIF

Have you taken a course on genetics in school? Doesn't sound like it.

Edited to add: Oh all right, you twisted my arm...here's the world:

http://nitro.biosci.arizona.edu/courses/EEB195-2007/Lecture08/pics/W-MAP.GIF

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Even if it's true, races still do exist.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:09:20 PM

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You just went and fucked everything up. Those cutsey twirlies mean nothing whatsoever. Where's my race???! I'm outraged.

Are you a communist?

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:10:20 PM

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There is one human race but 'race' as it's commonly accepted here with its colourful definition (pink, brown, peach, and green) simply doesn't exist. It's very possible that I, a seemingly white Jewish chick from Europe, could have more in common with Nelson Mandela, a Zulu from South Africa, than with my cousin Billy Goldenberg from Australia.

I attach a handy-clickable for information. Fuck, I'm mad.

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=8149

Kind of defeats the ideal of racial diversity when we pretend there are no differences. I don't agree with talking down to people because of their race. But you also need to be able to recognize that there are differences.

Using the dog analogy, you don't go to a dog show look at a St. Bernard in the middle of a hundred Shitzus and say "wow that sure is a nice looking dog" and then when someone asks which you say "Oh you know that one dog over there with the other dogs"...well, some people might but it's not exactly going to narrow it down any is it?

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:17:47 PM

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The genetic differences that make some people appear different from one another are extremely superficial; it's akin to finding a needle in a galaxy. It's a travesty of science to say there are human races. Human beings are human: there's one race for you.

PS: oh, and I don't go to dog shows: dogs aren't a race of animal I wish to get close to. Cats, on the other hand, I don't mind so much.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:17:53 PM

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Heck, I even know my mitochondrial haplogroup (say that 10 times fast!) and it's not on any of the maps. I demand better maps!

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:23:43 PM

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Eeeeekkk! You're from a different race!!! Eeek. Seriously: congratulations. Welcome to the human race.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:24:45 PM

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The genetic differences that make some people appear different from one another are extremely superficial; it's akin to finding a needle in a galaxy. It's a travesty of science to say there are human races. Human beings are human: there's one race for you.

PS: oh, and I don't go to dog shows: dogs aren't a race of animal I wish to get close to. Cats, on the other hand, I don't mind so much.

Ok, would it make you feel better if we refered to everyone as species: Homosapien and sub-species: one of the 3 mentioned above. Races are easier to say than sub-species....especially 10 times fast. And lets not forget that sub-species would just be a generic title. You still have to name the actual scientific name after that to make it accurate. And I haven't brushed up on my latin for a long time. So for ease of speech can we just use the race system?

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:25:07 PM

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She didn't say there aren't differences.

What she said, in effect, is that grouping the differences along racial lines is about as dumb as driving to town in a horse and buggy. We've figured out a better way to understand human genetic variation.

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Kind of defeats the ideal of racial diversity when we pretend there are no differences.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:27:41 PM

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You know, I think you're onto something. Since there is some overlap of genes.. we must all be the same race!

Actually- OMG! I just realized something! We're all made out of three basic components- protons, nuetrons, and electrons! Therefore, there is no varience!

Heh. While I can appreciate your passive aggressive snarkiness, you must realize that sharing some genes hardly makes creatures the same thing. There are distictions. Unless, of course, you feel that one with a deep ancestry tracing itself back to Africia isn't more likely to carry a predisposition for darker skin pigmentation than one tracing his deep ancestry back to, say, Ireland.

Again, try not to look at this as black and white. Being a different set of races doesn't mean we share absolutely nothing in common- we're all still human, right? Still, that doesn't mean those tracing their ancestry to different regions aren't going to show some varience- enough to be recongizable races.

Forgive this genius if he's not ready to overlook the same things you are, my moody friend.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:30:15 PM

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So for ease of speech can we just use the race system?

The race system? What would that be? Please, feel free to extrapolate: this is a very friendly jewscottifroganglosaxandslavic thread. You're welcome to express your thoughts.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/1/2007 8:32:10 PM

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Yes, but in the end doesn't all of our matriarchal dna trace back to the same place?

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