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"Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:01:42 PM

Mercnbeth

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If the Bible is the "Word of God" and the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is a statement of fact as God's commandment; why is it that many "Act's of God" such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc; kill?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:05:01 PM

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The Problem of Evil when you believe in a monotheistic benevolent god...I'm not touching this one. :)

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:12:35 PM

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I'm not touching this one. :)

CHICKEN!!

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:27:45 PM

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Because God wants a certain type of person to stand beside him.
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
With each death we grow stronger.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:38:14 PM

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Because God wants a certain type of person to stand beside him.
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
With each death we grow stronger.

It still violates one of his basic laws.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:52:08 PM

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Theodicy is always fun (although when I see that word, in my head it always comes out as theo-idiocy, which I personally think is really funny. YMMV.)

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 12:52:58 PM

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It still violates one of his basic laws.

Emerald,
Maybe it's like selective enforcement. You know, like being caught speeding on the highway. Or in this case a more appropriate analogy are all of those cops who speed. Maybe when the "acts of god" occur he's just "off duty"?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 1:07:00 PM

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Emerald,
Maybe it's like selective enforcement. You know, like being caught speeding on the highway. Or in this case a more appropriate analogy are all of those cops who speed. Maybe when the "acts of god" occur he's just "off duty"?

Which then violates the idea that the mono-benevolent god is omnipresent.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 1:12:21 PM

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To paraphrase, my answer would be... in a world without god the one god god is king.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 1:51:28 PM

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*giggling* - I will bite!

Why does it have to be an act of God? Why can it not be an act of something quite the opposite.

How about Gods wrath? (ok... most people won't touch that one.... but hey, if we wanna be godless, lets realise that we have responsibilities and theres a consequence)

on the smae lines, or maybe something completely seperate - why can it not be humans that caused it? Weather conditions, earthquakes etc - could be caused by global warning and the disruption to the planet caused by mining, drilling etc - not say all, but alot.

Of course, bush doesn't believe that global warming is as bad as the scientists say it is, so the science must be lying...!

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 1:55:55 PM

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earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc don't kill....people just die during the course of the event.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 2:11:33 PM

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earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc don't kill....people just die during the course of the event.

"Guns don't kill people..."

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 2:16:39 PM

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Of course, bush doesn't believe that global warming is as bad as the scientists say it is, so the science must be lying...!

PERFECT -
Now Bush causes Hurricanes! It's not god - it's BUSH! YEAH, and the rest of the Republicans, making Bush stronger than god!

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 2:40:07 PM

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*giggles*...hey Merc - glad to be of 'service' - hey... you just know some people see bush as the antichrist...lolol

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 2:45:26 PM

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Because "Thou shalt not kill" is a bad translation. The Hebrew means "Thou shalt not murder."

Leave it to the atheists to know their theology.

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If the Bible is the "Word of God" and the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is a statement of fact as God's commandment; why is it that many "Act's of God" such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc; kill?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 2:59:41 PM

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quote:

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earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc don't kill....people just die during the course of the event.

"Guns don't kill people..."

...bullets do?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 3:01:33 PM

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earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, etc don't kill....people just die during the course of the event.

Well, yes. God created Nature and stepped back, giving man stewardship of the Earth. Hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes etc are simply natural processes. It is our responsibility as humans to learn about them, minimize their danger and maximize our relief efforts.

The phrase "Acts of God" has legal meaning, but its inconsistent with Christianity (as I understand it) to attribute natural disasters to God's will. I know that some folks, such as Pat Robertson, like to claim disasters as God's punishment but I think this is both silly and irreligious.

Natural disasters are simply natural processes. If the commandment to not commit murder has any application to these cases, it is that humans should not allow people to die and suffer through indifference.

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 3:23:01 PM

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I have a question and thought though Merc - all puns aside.

Like LaM stated, translation is iffy - but then it all centres on the word murder. So, when God creates say a natural disaster by your inference, He may murder innocents.

But then - innocent in whose eyes? Yours?

In any war - innocents die.... but hey, it's ok because 'we'(using the collective we) are bombing, killing, murdering - maybe - innocent people in the name of a just a 'right and 'just 'war in 'our(collective) eyes. These people 'sinned' against us - did bad things we didn't want them to do and asked them not to. They didn't listen so we must put down our foot and stop it. But it's ok - its an act of man for humanity.

Bit similar to Gods thoughts maybe?

Just a pounds worth(I don't work in dollars and cents, I am the pounds and pence)

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You never go out and you never stay
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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 3:33:15 PM

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Because "Thou shalt not kill" is a bad translation. The Hebrew means "Thou shalt not murder."

And since the original bible was written in Hebrew?

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RE: "Acts of God" Riddle - 7/14/2005 5:23:11 PM

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Leave it to the atheists to know their theology.

And leave it to the religious to defend their position with semantics. The purveyor of the weapon is a murderer. Who is the killer the drunk driver or the car? Unless god has no control over "his dominion"?

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