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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 3:44:27 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 3:47:57 PM

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thank you!....that was at the edge of my brain, i just could not grasp it...it was the conclusion i strongly agreed with after a discussion on this same topic a few years ago we were both a part of....

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 3:49:02 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

Well stated, I think I am going to start quoting you on this one.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 3:53:20 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

Well stated, I think I am going to start quoting you on this one.

nodding in agreement

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:27:22 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

John`
I am still left with the question: does this mean that you believe that "no limits" is a hyperbole of sorts?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:32:55 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

Nonsense.

For example, it was not at all unusual for a submissive to request a "no-blindfold" limit initially. But as her trust in me developed, she would discard the "no blindfold" limit.

Some limits are hard limits. They'll never change.

Some limits are soft limits, that depend upon the degree of trust the submissive has in the dominant.

The greater the trust, the fewer the soft limits (and/or those imposed are discarded).

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:38:17 PM

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John`
I am still left with the question: does this mean that you believe that "no limits" is a hyperbole of sorts?

I do not believe that it serves "us" well to frequently embellish aspects of BDSM simply because it "makes us feel good". I believe that it only serves to marginalize us as fantasizers and role players in the "Dungeons & Dragons" style. And truth be known, when we continually embrace these embellishments, I'd be hard pressed to mount a meaningful defense to that charge.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:39:55 PM

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Some limits are hard limits. They'll never change.

Then the real nonsense is saying that anyone of sound mind has no limits.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:47:07 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

Nonsense.

For example, it was not at all unusual for a submissive to request a "no-blindfold" limit initially. But as her trust in me developed, she would discard the "no blindfold" limit.

Some limits are hard limits. They'll never change.

Some limits are soft limits, that depend upon the degree of trust the submissive has in the dominant.

The greater the trust, the fewer the soft limits (and/or those imposed are discarded).

Bob
I interpreted > Trust does not make limits cease to exist
as in >does not make having limits cease to exist...
???
perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly..

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 4:57:15 PM

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Bob
I interpreted > Trust does not make limits cease to exist
as in >does not make having limits cease to exist...
???
perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly..

Well, I am with you on that one.............I see those two statements as one in the same. Taking on the Master's limits is not the same as having "no limits". At least that is how I am interpreting it.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:03:55 PM

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Some limits are hard limits. They'll never change.

Then the real nonsense is saying that anyone of sound mind has no limits.

John

As I said before (Pg 4 - #63, Pg7 - #132, Pg7 - #137) it all depends upon context.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:07:26 PM

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As I said before (Pg 4 - #63, Pg7 - #132, Pg7 - #137) it all depends upon context.

Ah, relativism run amok. I fail to see how difficult this call is... either limits exist or they don't. That's the context.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:14:27 PM

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As I said before (Pg 4 - #63, Pg7 - #132, Pg7 - #137) it all depends upon context.

Ah, relativism run amok. I fail to see how difficult this call is... either limits exist or they don't. That's the context.

John

The topic is not that simple, as I understand it.

There are two (at least) individuals involved: the slave and the master.

The slave may literally have "no limits": willing to do whatever she is told to do.

However, the master may (and I hope does) have limits to what he will order a slave to do.

Thus the net result for the slave is that there are limits placed upon her. But she can claim honestly that she has no limits, thus leaving it to the master to define the limits for her.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:18:47 PM

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The slave may literally have "no limits": willing to do whatever she is told to do.

I have no interest in debating what someone in need of professional mental health treatment may or may not do. It has no bearing on a consensual power exchange relationship, as it precludes consent.

Please feel free to debate the advantages of mental disease with yourself, if you so choose.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:22:00 PM

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Thus the net result for the slave is that there are limits placed upon her. But she can claim honestly that she has no limits, thus leaving it to the master to define the limits for her.

So she does not need limits as opposed to having no limits. That was my latest question..........does no longer having a need for "limits" or acquiring "limits" from the Dominants the same as having "no limits"?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:32:21 PM

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Just musing to myself....

Trust does not make limits cease to exist. Trust ensures that those limits will be respected.

John

I think you miss the point that when a slave cedes their right to set their own limits to their owner from their point of view they have no limits that they control. The effect on their mindset and ability to lock into "slavespace" is often substantial. The impact of that responsibility on the Dominant is just as substantial.

The importance of trust in that situation is greater than just an implied agreement to honor the slaves stated limits, it becomes (for us) the basis for the extraordinary Master/slave bond that creates the magic that we crave in bdsm.

That trust is that the owner will take care of the slave and conversely that the slave will go where the owner guides even if afraid or in pain....

I wish I could explain how this works for us better, I hope this helps a little.

Bill

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:35:25 PM

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Click here: The BDSM Circle, D/S Lifestyle, The 9 Levels Of Submission Also according to Wikipedia (not the most reliable source I realize)
No Limits – the dominant may do anything he or she cares to with the submissive. This is usually a sign of an inexperienced player who does not yet know what their limits are. In reality, even the most hardened and experienced players have limits. “No limits” play is more the stuff of porn and thriller movies than in actual, real-life BDSM. This is also sometimes used as a term for TPE or Total Power Exchange.
It does not seem these articles look at "NO Limits" in a positive manner.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:35:44 PM

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Bill, I don't know a thing about magic. But I do know that if you ask your girl to do something that she steadfastly refuses to do (no matter how outlandish that may be), she will refuse to do it. Please do not interpret that to mean that she is anything less than a fully devoted, wonderful slave to you. Just that all mentally healthy people have limits of their own. At the very least, self preservation.

John

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:36:01 PM

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to fully understand you, i must first fully understand the words you are using...there is one word you continually use that i have yet to have had satisfactorially defined...

be

please reply a.s.a.p. so that i may understand...

thanks in advance

chelle

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/17/2007 5:37:49 PM

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I'm heavily into "snuff." I find the perfect "no limit" sub and for some reason I can never seem to make it last into a long term relationship....What gives?

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