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Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 9:38:40 AM

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Good Day Everyone! Master and I have been scening quite intensely for the past 3 weeks or so (every few days). I have experienced intermittent periods of sub-drop (mostly fatigue, slight depression). However, last night in the middle of the night I woke up with severe leg cramping and chills - to the point where my teeth were chattering severely and I was shaking. Thinking back to the day time yesterday I realize that I was quite depressed. I am not sick, don't have the flu or anything. So I am certain that my body went into shock from a severe endorphin drop. Have you experience this or any other "severe" sub drop reactions with your subs? What do you do? Just FYI.....you may be wondering at this point what Master did for me...well unfortunately HE was really sick with allergies and so knocked out by his allergy medication that i could not wake him up. Thanks for any input, it is much appreciated! --Master G's 'lil girl

RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 9:48:00 AM

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I personally have never witnessed sub-drop to the extent of a person going into shock.

I HAVE seen people going into shock. If you even THINK shock is what happened, in the future, please treat it as a medical emergency:

Have your Master check for injuries...he may have played a bit too hard.
Stay warm...have your Master wrap you in a blanket or two
Have your Master engage you in light conversation. Nothing intense, just something so he can gauge your alertness and general mental state.
If the condition persists, call 911.
Do not eat or drink--shock is the body shutting down "non-essential" systems in response to a specific trauma or series of traumas. This includes the GI tract--anything given orally to a person in shock has a high probably of returning

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/first-aid-shock/FA00056

It might be prudent for your Master to ease up a bit on the intensity of the play. It sounds as if you may be at the edge of your physical and psychological limits--it may be exciting, but it's also dangerous.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 10:35:46 AM

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I've had something similar but not the same happen to me. The night after i first played with a Dom i woke up with chills. When i couldn't warm up i finally took some Tylenol which made it possible for me to sleep and felt fine in the morning. It has never happened again...just that first time.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 12:04:08 PM

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leg cramping and chills doesn't typically indicate shock. I would tend to think you are jumping the gun just a bit...leg cramping could be a vitamin deficiency or restless leg syndrome, for example, and the chills could be your body's reaction to the pain of the cramping.

Typical signs of shock: drop in blood pressure, cold and clammy skin, pale color, cyanosis (blue discoloration around eyes, fingernail beds, lips, sweaty skin, weak and or rapid pulse, irregular breathing (shallow or rapid or both), muscle weakness, confusion, lethargy, nausea, unconciousness. (it usually take a few of these symptoms...only one or two could be a myriad of issues)

Of course if you truly believe you are in shock, you probably aren't because those in shock don't really realize it. Though...always err on the side of caution and go to the ER or call 911 if you are that ill...

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 5:58:46 PM

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Yes I have felt shocklike symptoms in the past. Freezing cold and shaking so hard to had to not only make me tea, he had to hold the cup to my lips.

For us, what it came down to was several extended hours of play without taking a break to eat. As in played from 3:00PM until 7:00PM, then dinner. Then only about 4 hours of sleep, we played the rest of the time until about 10:00 AM when the shaking started. These days we take more frequent breaks, there is always something quick and easy to eat ie fruit, cheese and crackers. We bring water with us and refill the glasses frequently.

Dehydration, lack of nutrition and sleep deprivation will take their toll.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 6:06:39 PM

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 6:19:16 PM

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First and foremost now that you know how you tend to react to that level of sceneing (intensity + frequency).... plan ahead.

Keep a warm blanket close by, maybe even a heating pad, that can be turned on and off as needed. If you tend to get overly warm, keep a fan nearby. We also keep tea, or water, close at hand. And because I'm diabetic, we keep my glucose meter, as well as some extra meds and glucose tablets close--Just In Case.

One thing that is very important is that my Sire be available to help me through such times as that. I'd be crawling to the phone and calling for help, for both of us, if I couldn't wake him up. You might want to have a conversation with your Sir, about your reaction, and ask him to evaluate how much allergy medication is too much.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 6:45:12 PM

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eating is key...if you are going to repeat that schedule, imo it's his responsibility to make sure you eat, even if it's just a few bites (I advocate chocolate, works for me

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 7:35:13 PM

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It's nice to read this thread. I recently had a weird experience after "flying" and it seems the phenomenon of sub-drop hasn't been well described (or at all described) in the books we have.

We, too, went a long period of time without eating, scened for most of the afternoon, ending in me flying. It took me about 1/2 hour to recover my senses (he stayed w/me in the bed and held me) and then we got up to make dinner.

Shortly after dinner, I became severely dizzy and nauseated, and this lasted for several hours. I wouldn't call it anywhere near shock, but it was definitely intense, and unpleasant.

I'm really encouraged by the person who said it only happened one time, and then not again.

I'm also encouraged by the recommendations to eat...next time AD plans to take me to that level of pleasure/pain, we'll make sure we've eaten and are adequately hydrated.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 9:13:19 PM

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Greetings gcarlos and welcome to the boards.

I frequently experience this after very intense, prolonged play. I know that I posted about it once before on here but I can't seem to find it. I don't know anyone else personally that this happens to...or at least not to the same extent.

I don't know if it is actually shock, I suspect it's not...but something does seem to occur that stops my body from regulating temperature properly. I've tried to research it a bit but I am no doctor. The closest that I can come to an explanation for it is that it appears it may have something to do with the hypothalamus. It happens for me when I am coming back down. I get extremely cold. The kind of cold where my teeth chatter, my whole body shakes uncontrollably, my lips turn blue and my skin has that dusky purple mottled appearance to it. My hands get numb and I have a hard time controlling my muscles (as in coordination). The only relief for it that I have found is to get into a hot tub of water (not good for the swelling and bruising), drink hot fluids (while in the tub) and follow it by getting into bed under lots and lots of covers.

It is a freaky feeling and I can tell you that it has scared the crap out of more than one dominant. My ex Master took my temperature on several different occasions with a couple of different thermometers and was quite surprised to get readings on all of them around 91 to 94 degrees F. So it would seem that for some reason I actually become hypothermic. At times, it has caused my heart to beat in an odd pattern....feels kind of like a fish flopping in my chest with an odd bottoming out feeling.

I've often wondered if this is a dangerous state to find oneself in...it certainly feels kind of scary when it happens. Unfortunately though, as I've said, I don't know anyone else personally who experiences this, so that fact limits me somewhat in understanding it better.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 9:25:25 PM

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I'd like to add that if anyone has any knowledge on why this might occur or if it is indeed dangerous or something I should have looked into medically, I would love to hear it.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/17/2007 9:56:00 PM

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I've had many times where I've felt like I have a fever but my temp is lower than 98, but totally not scene-related. I've always wondered why that occurs, I usually have flu-like symptoms that accompany it. if anyone else has info on this, I'd love to know too...

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 6:11:03 AM

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One more thing, don't play hard and then expect to get right into a car and drive. Your reflexes will be shot to hell.

In addition to food and drink, make sure you slept the night before. And that you have an easy day the next day.

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 1:06:27 PM

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May i ask what kind of play ,makes you feel this way/ What exactly is it meant by hard play? Thanks

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 1:25:52 PM

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yes the being cold even in heat happens, I have had a sweater on for a week :)

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 1:32:45 PM

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lately when i have felt it was right to let go and play .. it has been hard play.. like.. five hours straight.. and i drop hard.. tho not for a day or two myself.. and the chills and cold set in.. its normal.. i usually end up in my perriwinkle blue long johns with socks and covered with two quilts... lol

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 2:53:21 PM

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I was thinking someone might ask what was meant by "hard"play. LOL! For us, i mean scening about every 3-4 days for about 1-2 hrs each. Master is a masochist, so a majority of that time is flogging, whipping, spanking, caning. Intertwined is some orgasm denial for me....

Sessions have been getting progressively more intense lately and most of the time now i feel like i am generally in a euphoric physical state.

And many people have said, and now that i think about it...this probably was not shock. However, it really scared me and i am grateful for all the input everyone has given!

Best,
Master G's 'lil girl

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 4:55:45 PM

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I wonder if maybe taking a few days off would be beneficial?

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 5:33:29 PM

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OMG!!!! Did i say Master is a Masochist? So sorry Master...i grovel at your feet. I meant Master is a sadist and his girl is a masochist!!!

Don't know how to edit Master......

-Master G's 'lil girl

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RE: Sub Drop and Shock (Chills, Cramps) - 9/18/2007 7:23:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

Of course if you truly believe you are in shock, you probably aren't because those in shock don't really realize it.

More like aren't generally aware enough to make sense of it, perhaps?

Not sure where the line is actually drawn; I once had a round of BP 50/30, cold and clammy skin, pallor, peripheral cyanosis, weak and unsteady pulse in the three digit range, shallow breathing, weakness, confusion, lethargy and nausea. I only fell unconscious when I tried to stand up and move about. I've generally pegged it as borderline shock.

That's why I tell the docs to be careful with stuff that lists circulatory collapse as an ADR.

However, coming down from endorphins seems more likely to raise the BP, doesn't it?

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