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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/8/2007 10:17:49 PM

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Whoa! hold the horses here, lol. I know intent is everything, but this would make me uncomfortable. In my mind it envokes some of the darker moments in history. We have finally gotten to the point where whites and blacks dont distrust one another and fear alterior motives.

Keep in mind that the very nature of the BDSM lifestyle means that most involved are very open minded, racists wouldnt be very common here. To use a word such as this, even in the context of a scene, carries alot of baggage with it. This certainly isnt an issue of being politically correct as I would like to take that garbage and just throw it out the window. For me personally, it is an issue of decency.

I am curious though, why do you not embrace your white heritage as well?

Wow, I would say we are still far from being at a point where whites and blacks don't distrust one another and fear of motives. I doubt we will see this happen in any of our lifetime as well. Hell, events such as what Happened with Rodney King was not all that long ago. The 60's was not all that long ago as well. There still is a lot of tension. It's just showing itself ugly and pure as it still is on the 5 o'clock news or CNN. Sure there have been a lot of strides made. However demographics, where you live still play a role.

I can totally understand for it this is a matter of decency. It's a personal moral issue. However, if you with a Black women in a meaningful D/s relationship and she expressed how much she enjoyed this! The question is would the relationship mean enough for you to cross that mental barrier or limit? Knowing you did something that actually pleased her and turned her on to no end?

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/9/2007 5:18:14 AM

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lol...no, not at all, neither option...i knew i was "in" when they stopped calling me "white girl"...that is not to say that i ever said the n word...because not everyone around knew i was in....

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/9/2007 5:39:27 AM

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but they say "if you have 1 drop.... you black."

Actually I didn't realize people still said this...In my grandmothers day I know they did, but that was many moons ago. As for your kink....I would just try and find someone compatible with you on that front.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/9/2007 7:22:29 AM

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I am curious though, why do you not embrace your white heritage as well?

oh, i do. in fact, when i was younger, that was ALL i embraced. i was raised by my white grandparents. but as i got older, i realized that when society sees me....they SEE a black person. so for me to go arround....saying..."Hey I'm White"....well, lol it got some laughs, and some stares, and some "what the heck is she CRAZY??" so i started to embrace my "dark side" and it opened up a whole new world to me. a world i love. but to be honest, i love both worlds! some times i get the worst of both worlds, but mostly, i like to think i get the BEST. :)

i do consider myself ultimately bi-racial...which you can see by my screenname ;)

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/9/2007 4:17:09 PM

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I have another question. ... i am black .... i also enjoy racial humilliation. actually, i enjoy it very much. but it seems like a lot of the Doms i talk to are scared of this.
my question is why?

Biracialsub,
This is a snippet from a response I made in another thread about interracial lifestyle relationships. It doesn't address your question about white Doms being afraid of race play, but it may help explain why some aren't very interested in it.

"If I was with a partner who found it a tremendous turn-on, then I might consider exploring it, but for me, it would be the same as trying to do "height play" or "eye color play." My point is that I couldn't get into "Come over here, you TALL woman" or "Tell me you're my BROWN EYED submissive." Yes, maybe she was tall or had brown eyes, but so??"

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/9/2007 8:48:26 PM

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if you are a White Dom, and it is offensive to you, i am curious to find out why. is it a moral issue? is it a social issue? is it a matter of wanting to be seen as politically correct? is it something where you SAY it makes you uncomfortable, but if you were with someone who enjoyed it, you'd give it a try?

just trying to pick your brains a bit. :)

blessings....

In the heat of today's political climate, every white person is being bleeped and edited for saying the word N!&&@^$ on public TV and Radio.

As for me, I perfer not to be seen or viewed as a Racist. Also, I'm not one to encourage an ass beating on myself. As mush as I support equality and rights, I'll continue not to say Ni&&*# while black people get away with it all the time out in public and each others face.

Eitherway, a racial slur is somthing I would only say with the expressed consent of the person or group of that race. When that consent is given, it's fair game when it comes to a hummiliation scene, treatment, and such. However, I doubt I would shout out a racial slur to a sub in a public scene.

The use of a racial slur is definetly something I would try and like after the other person knows and consents that I'll be doing such an action.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 10:29:55 AM

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I am into race play so I do use epithets with the right partner at times, mostly in a intense session. This includes plantation play. It's taboo that's part of what makes me hot. Of course not everyone in my life is into this or comfortable with this style of play. Maybe a thread on race play period should be started.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 10:33:28 AM

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DDZ, there have been threads before, not a great deal as I remember, but there is alotta little raceplay (as well as big) going on out there, and maybe it wouldn't hurt to go after that kind of thread again.

You should start it, since you thought of it.

Besides, any thread I start ends up in random stupidity...(and that would be a shame for your idea) LOLOLOL.

Ron

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 10:37:18 AM

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DDZ, there have been threads before, not a great deal as I remember, but there is alotta little raceplay (as well as big) going on out there, and maybe it wouldn't hurt to go after that kind of thread again.

You should start it, since you thought of it.

Besides, any thread I start ends up in random stupidity...(and that would be a shame for your idea) LOLOLOL.

Ron

If it's not started when I return later this afternoon, I'll take you up on it (unless LA has links to some good threads prior that may be restarted). After all it's seems like "race week" based on the forums. I think it's kinda groovy as well as it's inclusive to all races.

Take Care,
Z-

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 11:01:31 AM

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Roleplaying is all fine, but I have to be comfortable playing the role.
I'm not an actor, so I can't just conjure up a personae that is too far removed from who I am all the time.

So, I personally wouldn't talk like a pirate or a Gorean, or incorporate UMs or animals into a scene, nor would I employ the 'N' word, even though I realize that those things are turn ons for some others.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 11:03:04 AM

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Shiver me vulvas, matey!!!! Of course ye can!!!!

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/10/2007 10:41:45 PM

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As a black male sub I can both understand the thrill of the TABOO
but also understand why some white dominants don't want to go down that road.

If you say anything enough times in a controlled situation, there is just the chance
that you might inadvertently slip and say in an uncontrolled setting.

If you call your woman a "slut" in mixed company, you come off as a cad. But if you
cough up an offensive racial epiteth in mixed company, chances are it will never be
forgotten by anyone present, no matter how many times you appologize.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/11/2007 6:54:49 AM

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What's in a name?

Personally, names and labels mean little to me. I do try not to overtly offend anyone in using said labels, though.

However, as you said that it not only does not offend you, but actually turn you on... shit you'd hear it as much as you wanted, heh.

I'm not the model of political correctness, and I am not easily offended. So this would not be a problem for me.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/11/2007 7:28:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: AllforFun

Whoa! hold the horses here, lol. I know intent is everything, but this would make me uncomfortable. In my mind it envokes some of the darker moments in history. We have finally gotten to the point where whites and blacks dont distrust one another and fear alterior motives.

Keep in mind that the very nature of the BDSM lifestyle means that most involved are very open minded, racists wouldnt be very common here. To use a word such as this, even in the context of a scene, carries alot of baggage with it. This certainly isnt an issue of being politically correct as I would like to take that garbage and just throw it out the window. For me personally, it is an issue of decency.

Right, because whipping someone until they bleed, making them drink piss and writing "CUNT" on their face in marker evokes the lighter side of history.

You make perfect sense. Consensually humiliating another human being as part of their kink using Method X is great, fine, dandy. Consensually humiliating another human being as part of their kink using Method Y is indecent.

Brilliant.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 5:43:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: AllforFun

Whoa! hold the horses here, lol. I know intent is everything, but this would make me uncomfortable. In my mind it envokes some of the darker moments in history. We have finally gotten to the point where whites and blacks dont distrust one another and fear alterior motives.

Keep in mind that the very nature of the BDSM lifestyle means that most involved are very open minded, racists wouldnt be very common here. To use a word such as this, even in the context of a scene, carries alot of baggage with it. This certainly isnt an issue of being politically correct as I would like to take that garbage and just throw it out the window. For me personally, it is an issue of decency.

Right, because whipping someone until they bleed, making them drink piss and writing "CUNT" on their face in marker evokes the lighter side of history.

You make perfect sense. Consensually humiliating another human being as part of their kink using Method X is great, fine, dandy. Consensually humiliating another human being as part of their kink using Method Y is indecent.

Brilliant.

thank you so much!

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 6:27:44 AM

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And here I thought the purpose was to get a variety of answers from people, not to wait until a 'wrong' answer came along and attack it.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 6:40:20 AM

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And here I thought the purpose was to get a variety of answers from people, not to wait until a 'wrong' answer came along and attack it.

i hope you weren't refering to me. i certainly appreciate ALL the answers i've received, including yours. i was simply thanking Faramir for having my back. :)

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 7:18:26 AM

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color is only light refraction of perceived pigment or something scientic like and it means nothing except people are people

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 7:25:15 AM

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Yeah, same here--girls who get the itch when a guy talks like Long John Silver are just going to have to find their jollies somewhere else.

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I personally wouldn't talk like a pirate

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 7:26:27 AM

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I think it may be a perseption by others that would cause a problem. The vanilla world loves to pass judgement quickly on "what is seen" as opposed to actually "watching" what is going on. Reassure your Dom that this is a need of your submission and it enriches your experience. It may help a bit.

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