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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/12/2007 7:42:48 AM

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i know for a fact that Daddy (and my SO) would never use the dreaded N-word because it's totally shows lack of intelligence from the person (including Black) using it. i tend to ignore anyone who feels the need to say it in my face and/or greet their Black friends - it looks bad especially when Black women say it too. instead Daddy uses other words for His pet names for me for example lil Black bitch.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/13/2007 2:58:55 PM

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I agree with LordandMaster; this particular fetish is one I can really fvcking sink my teeth into. I grew up in a black neighborhood, my best friend was a mulatto, I've had girlfriends whose names were "Ebony," and I don't believe I've got a predjudiced bone in my body. I've got no insecurity on my white ass whatsoever. Which may be why I really relish the idea of a black girl like this who wants to be a slave to a white Master; because frankly, I just like black girls period. It's what I grew up with.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/13/2007 3:33:16 PM

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When I joined the Army, I learned that I was indeed prejudice. Shortly after I left the army, I married a black woman. I have thought a lot about race. With a few exceptions, DMF for one, very few people can convince me they are not prejudice.

I thnk that a lot of doms might have a hard time with this because they are fundementally good people, and feel extremely uncomfortable confronting this. I know that during this time in my life my opinions swung wildly.

Well, I expect to be roasted for this one, but I believe that what I have said plays a role.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/13/2007 8:04:35 PM

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Fast Reply to No One in Particular.

Why people feel the need to interject their own take on "social decenty" and political correctness into what choice of words two people use in the privacy of their own home is beyond me...

Personally, if I am in "humilation and degradation" mode and this particular word fit into your masochism, I would have absolutely no problem calling you a nigger.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 9:36:53 AM

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There is nothing wrong with what you want....rasict terms are a very powerful humiliating/degrading force for you, and any master that enjoys putting you in that subspace (I would think any master worth his salt) would hav no problem doing this sortve play, I know I wouldnt. The PURPOSE of the word is all that matters in D/S, we all understand here how 'abusive' language in reality is anything but...so to confuse this with real racism is abit stupid on a forum like this...its just a tool to humiliate you which works well because of its social programming and seriously degrading nature.

More power to you.

But outside the bedroom its unacceptable...because its no longer being used for the purpose I outlined (sexual stimulation/affection) but as an outlet for hatred, anger or predudice which in a bDSM context just doesnt exist.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 9:45:45 AM

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I think it's pretty clear that if she wants a WHITE dom to remind her of her BLACKNESS, she is embracing BOTH SIDES of her heritage.

Personally, I think the whole thing is sizzling hot.

Me too Lam!

Edited to add: I can see it being used as a sweet private name too, a little smoochy thing that can turn itself into an inferno pretty fast.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 11:19:42 AM

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But outside the bedroom its unacceptable...because its no longer being used for the purpose I outlined (sexual stimulation/affection) but as an outlet for hatred, anger or predudice which in a bDSM context just doesnt exist.

I'm curious as to how the use of the word in the context of my post qualifies as an outlet for hatred, anger, and prejudice.

Isnt this statement overstating the case just a little bit too much?

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 11:24:50 AM

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Fast Reply to No One in Particular.

Why people feel the need to interject their own take on "social decenty" and political correctness into what choice of words two people use in the privacy of their own home is beyond me...

Because the OP asked.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 11:40:27 AM

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Fast Reply to No One in Particular.

Why people feel the need to interject their own take on "social decenty" and political correctness into what choice of words two people use in the privacy of their own home is beyond me...

Because the OP asked.

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Thank you for mentioning that. I am pretty sure however she asked why White Doms had issues with saying the word on a personal level, not what the universal judgements are for two consenting adults who choose to simply say a word in the privacy of their own bedroom.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 12:29:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Fast Reply to No One in Particular.

Why people feel the need to interject their own take on "social decenty" and political correctness into what choice of words two people use in the privacy of their own home is beyond me...

Because the OP asked.

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Thank you for mentioning that. I am pretty sure however she asked why White Doms had issues with saying the word on a personal level, not what the universal judgements are for two consenting adults who choose to simply say a word in the privacy of their own bedroom.

People rarely seem to be be able to stop themselves from responding. Case in point, she asked specifically for input from white dominants who found it offensive, and yet you responded.

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if you are a White Dom, and it is offensive to you, i am curious to find out why. is it a moral issue? is it a social issue? is it a matter of wanting to be seen as politically correct? is it something where you SAY it makes you uncomfortable, but if you were with someone who enjoyed it, you'd give it a try? .

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 1:01:51 PM

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Had a case of this in my front yard last year. Master was in town to do whip classes. He was showing whips to my son and his frineds.. white and black 22 year old males. i was upstairs on the phone when i looked out the window.

"Oh. Mi. Gawd. Master is whipping a black man in the front yard!" i nearly died for how this was going to look to the neighbors.

Turned out, young black man was highly curious about the whip and seeing Master use it on a target board, kept asking him to try to hit him with it. Master deferred a few times until the guy flatly said "Hey, look. All I know about my heritage is that my ancestors were whipped. I have this need to experience what they did... it's no big deal for you, but for me, it would make a connection to something I never thought I could connect with."

He took a few snaps on his back, came away satisfied that he had experienced a connection, and that was it. None of the neighbors ever asked about it, but i'm sure they think we're weird at this house. Maybe the reluctance you see from Dominants is the same shame i felt at first, that onlookers would assume cetain things inaccurately.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 1:06:55 PM

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From my experience:Northern Doms are a lot different than Southern Doms...I sent you a message on CM *waves her biracial hand lol*

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 1:23:18 PM

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I think it's pretty clear that if she wants a WHITE dom to remind her of her BLACKNESS, she is embracing BOTH SIDES of her heritage.

Personally, I think the whole thing is sizzling hot.

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I am curious though, why do you not embrace your white heritage as well?

Nicely said, LAM. I played with a black submissive one time after speaking to her for a couple of months and while she did not want me to use the "N" word, she was totally turned on by the idea of my emphasizing her blackness in contrast to my whiteness. She not only enjoyed the color contrast, she wanted it pointed out to her and to have it pointed out to her that she was "lucky" to be servicing a white dominant. It was not a matter of racial or class superiority in any way other than the humiliation aspect while she was aroused that aroused her further. If she had felt that I truly felt this way outside of our interaction, she would have...rightly...had nothing to do with me. If I felt that she really felt inferior to me simply because she was black and I was white, I would have had nothing to do with her because in either situation, we would not have been dealing with sexual pleasure alone, we would have also been dealing with a simmering resentment underneath for the person that thought this of us.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 2:45:23 PM

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i also enjoy racial humilliation. actually, i enjoy it very much. but it seems like a lot of the Doms i talk to are scared of this.

my question is why?

I'm not scared of the word, but I can't think of a more offensive word.

"Nigger" smacks of non-consensual: enforced slavery and enforced second-class status.

It's not something on my wish list, but to each their own.

Edited to add:

Assuming she ticked all the boxes with the exception of this one, I wouldn't be interested.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/30/2007 8:28:35 PM

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hiya! :)
alright y'all, I have another question.
i am black...well....1/2 black 1/2 white, but they say "if you have 1 drop.... you black." so...i'm black. lol and i prefer a White Dom. i also enjoy racial humilliation. actually, i enjoy it very much. but it seems like a lot of the Doms i talk to are scared of this.

my question is why? i'm assuming it is because they don't want to come across as a racist. or maybe they have black family, and it is offensive to them. or maybe they are scared of what others will think if they enjoyed such a thing. i guess all of this could be true.

i've been told by white doms that i should work on my self esteem....that i am disrespecting myself by thinking this way. in this lifestyle, you wouldn't tell a woman who loves to be called a slut & a whore that she needs to work on her self esteem. that would be considered HOT...right? so what is the difference?

if you are a White Dom, and it is offensive to you, i am curious to find out why. is it a moral issue? is it a social issue? is it a matter of wanting to be seen as politically correct? is it something where you SAY it makes you uncomfortable, but if you were with someone who enjoyed it, you'd give it a try?

just trying to pick your brains a bit. :)

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Every time I hear the word "nigger" I think of an incident with my grandfather.

Go back to 1964. I had just turned 6 years old and I'm accompanying my grandfather to the county courthouse in Philadelphia, Mississippi. (Yep, the "Missississippi Burning" time and place)
There are a few men in white robes with pointy hoods on the courthouse steps making loud speaches peppered with "nigger this.. Nigger that..." and the "niggers are working for the commies" etc.
I looked up and asked my grandfather, "What's a 'nigger'?"
He replied, "A dumb uneducated redneck's mispronouncing 'negro' which is Spanish for 'black' He's talking trash about black folks like those what work with me. They have more angry than sense, for sure." (note: My grandfather was the general foreman at a cotton gin)

"Nigger" is a word fairly much excised from my vocabulary. Even if in context of a joke, modern PC corporate America will fire you faster for using that word than for doing crack cocaine on the job. I wouldn't even consider using that word in a scene unless it was specifically negotiated for.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/31/2007 6:39:30 AM

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I see this thread still has life in it. :) I really appreciate all of the responses.

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Edited to add: I can see it being used as a sweet private name too, a little smoochy thing that can turn itself into an inferno pretty fast.

I just wanted to say.....that is my FAVORITE context for this word. :):):)

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/31/2007 9:24:40 AM

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Personal opion, she's a grown womenand her kinks are her own, if she enjoys being call a "N" slave. Its ovious that this would take place behind close door between her and her dom as most of their activities are. There is no reason no to give her what she wants!

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/31/2007 5:22:54 PM

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This is a great topic.
Personally I find it interesting as all hell. I get rather irritated sometimes with the extremes people go to in an attempt to ignore difference among people.

saying all people are the same is an out right lie.
There are lots of differences between black people and white people. NOT just the color of skin.
History being the most obvious.

More to the point, I'm in agreement with Farimar's statement.

cheers!
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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/31/2007 6:14:06 PM

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I was raised like some of the others that already replied that the N word was inflammatory. When I found black folk were using it among themselves, I was at first puzzled, but then understood the idea of taking back the word; like for self-empowerment.

Seeing it as a taboo, I can understand its attraction though, even the RP plantation scene stuff; there is a certain visceral appeal that such play would elicit (like sex outdoors, in public places, etc). Often what we do is taboo in one sense or the other. In fact, many of the things that we do, society says is bad for us and the other person. Maybe for such “ordinary” psyches, this would be the case, but since we are participating in extraordinary experience, our psyches differ in tolerance and response as well (such as our willingness to explore darker frontiers).

I could see how this could make for some very hot play in the right circumstances. So, maybe for others that can’t see this perspective, the PC hurdle is just too great.

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RE: White Dom/black sub....afraid of the "N" ... - 10/31/2007 9:45:36 PM

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It can still be inflammatory but it can sound oh so hot too. Check the off topic board for the Onion post

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