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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

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How can this be true, when you have previously stated that one of the identifying characteristics of a slave is:

Need and reality are two differnet things, Rover.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.

It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

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In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.

It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

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In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.

You seem to be the moot one-all hot air-no substance.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I wish people were able to look at things like this without the fantasy glasses on.

Informed consent is doable-within the law. The slave still has to agree-but cannot agree to cede her rights to an individual-ones guaranteed by the surrounding culture. So "non consent" is both moot-and illegal.

Even if you can get beyond that-the slave still needs to have the will to keep at it-so she consents by doing so.

So we have two things going on here. Either a criminal act.

Or some silly Top,puffing up to try and look bigger-by saying he can get away with doing things like this-and making excuses for something basically immoral.

I'm not buying it either.

It's not moot in a theoretical discussion. Which this is. Something can be practically possible, without it being a good idea to do - unless you want to end up in jail.

Edited to add

In any case, a lot of what is done in the BDSM communities is technally against the laws of the land and rejected by the society and culture we surround ourselves with. We do it anyway. So this entire point is moot.

You seem to be the moot one-all hot air-no substance.

Dont you know, Rrafe? We should already know what his sources and substance is. If we dont know, then we arent enlightened enough to know. If he tells us, he will be spoiling our own individual path of growth.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

I told you, RRafe, I don't smoke.

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ORIGINAL: silkenfire

First, I don't have time to read the whole thread so I cannot swear that this is even pertinent.

I also realize this is "Ask a Master" but I feel like sharing a totally different view and definition than what I found in the few posts I did skim.

To me, I was broken once. It was emotionally intense. But what I mean by broken is tortured and whipped, etc, to the point of no return. To the point of screaming and crying out and tears running down my face. The ultimate giving in until it could not go any further. That whipping that just goes so much farther than anything else and truly shows that side of me that was submitting to Him. I was emotionally myself. But I was then *His* and will always have a soft spot for him because of what he made me, even though it was long ago and we have both moved on. When someone says breaking a sub, that's what I think of-- and it's a happy memory.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

No, I just enjoy making flippant responses to pointless insults. Your thoughts are your own, they neither define nor concern me. 

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

You'll be waiting a long time, you didn't ask nicely.

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.

I don't really care what you think. I'm merely providing information and insight as I see it. It's entirely up to you whether you want to take all or any of it onboard.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster

Yes, I do a lot of interviewing, am currently doing so now. Women can be surprisingly open and pleasing when you ask them questions. I interview more or less every woman I encounter that is open to being interviewed. In person, online, public, private.

Are you also a statistician, trained in how to construct statistical research that yields reliable results?  Or is this like asking... "What are you wearing right now?"
 
John

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Was something let go-or gained?