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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:14:46 PM

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Rule.

Those who can-do.

Those who can't-talk about it.

No shit.

After reading this...all I can say is.... wow.

I love it when enlightened super genius's pontificate on the truth, truth that they have nothing in the regards of credentials, studies, or even experience to support while getting irritated and dismissing any questioning of that truth as being "nonsense from the nonenlightened"...of course...all the while spouting fan mail, making sure everyone knows how smart and enlightened they are in comparison to anyone else, and casually mentioning how everyone on the planet should worship them and convert to the One True Way.

The over-intellectualizing of the practical...love the Internet...

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:21:55 PM

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What's the point to breaking something thats already what I want and need her to be? If it aint broke dont fix it. If it works fine dont break it. I have had to break a few old habits that my slave brought with her and break some negatibve thought patterns also. But no need to break her spirit or any other part of her. Shes not a wild mustang that needs to have the wildness broke first just to get a good ride out of her and make her useful. She rides just fine the way she is and I get all the use out of her that I need.

Quite.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:27:44 PM

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The over-intellectualizing of the practical...love the Internet...

Perhaps, as I said, most times, these distinctions don't even matter. I'm an intellectual man by nature, I enjoy understanding not just how things work, but why. Is it necessary to understand? Nope. It's just something I'm driven to do. Could be that it's part of a mild form of OCD, in any case, there's nothing wrong with understanding how things tick. You don't need to understand the principles of the Wankel rotary engine to ride a bike, but if you really want to tune it up and get the most out of it, it helps to do so.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:49:45 PM

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Honestly, I'm glad you guys are on the internet 24/7, because it means you aren't actually out there practicing this ridiculous line of self-important but potentially very dangerous crap. But as MR said, that's all it is, pontification and fantasy, thank god.
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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:59:10 PM

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Unhealthy for who, Chelle? Are you now the arbitar of what is in finality good or bad for someone? When it comes down to its roots, how someone chooses to live their life, and what they need to be truly and completely fulfilled is not always "healthy" in a cultural sense. Playing with knives? Not healthy. Suspension from ropes? Not healthy. Breath play? Not healthy. Deep submission to another? Not healthy. Society tells us that pretty much everything we do is not healthy on some level. Noone really questions though what they mean by "healthy".

Having lived in many differnet places within Australia, I've been exposed to communities and lifestyles that some would definitely deem "not healthy" - The indigienous family living deep in rural Australia, under several sheets of corrugated iron - no home, no electricty, no doctors, no dentists, no television, no advertising. Yet these people were the happiest and most content individuals I have met in my life. While it's the concept of the "noble savage" it's one that I've witnessed in person.

On the other side of the topic - do you drink? do you smoke?

Edited to add: Editing your post to remove an error rather than simply saying "woops, sorry, my bad" is a little bit dishonest.

i said nothing about what society says...i said the bullshit you are spewing as fact is bullshit...and if someone actually thinks it is fact....God help them....no point in arguing what i didn't say...

sorry to go out of order but...isn't saying your opinion is fact is a little bit dishonest, in my opinion, a bit more dishonest than my mistake...but i will let that one go....i made a mistake, yes...its been years since i have seen the movie...i don't sit around masturbating to "The Secretary" because i actually engage in BDSM in real life....so....i didn't remember the details exactly....sorry....

as for whether i smoke or drink, i find the questions completely irrelevant and misstated, but just for the fun of it, i will answer...1) i do drink...liquids, all day long....it is necessary to stay a live...i believe the question you meant to ask me is do i drink alcohol...no, i do not...i am an addict, when i drink alcohol, i break out in crack pipes, are you going ot use that as a weapon to tear me down? that would be very noble of you...would you like to use my diabetes to call me fat? my seizures to call me brain damaged? it would be on the same level....2) i smoke cigarettes, yes, in designated smoking area's and i am very aware of who i am smoking around, i don't smoke around minors, period, and i don't smoke around people who don't want to be smoked around, i even appologize for the wind blowing my smoke in other smoker's faces....
your turn....do you smoke or drink alcohol or put any other mood or mind altering substances into your body?

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 3:59:13 PM

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Heh, actually it's not. My slave is moving in on the 19th.

At least you got the "potentially very dangerous" part right. One out of four.

Edited to add: In any case, so is sky diving, bungie jumping (or base jumping), rally racing, and so on, and people do these for FUN.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 4:05:34 PM

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You can call it bullshit if you like. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. You did, however, explicitly say "not healthy".

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your ideas for rebuilding a slave that has been "broken" are incredibly stupid and unhealthy and God, i hope no one takes you seriously

If you didn't mean to say that it wasn't healthy.. well I don't see how you could have, since its an integral part of that staement. So yes, there is a point in addressing what you DID say.

I have never used any recreational drugs, nor have I ever smoked, I have and do on occasion drink small quantities of alcohol, enough to relax, never been drunk.

The point regarding smoke wasn't about tolerance for others, it was about what they do to your own body. Every cigarette is doing damage to you.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 4:21:58 PM

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well aren't we Mr. High and Mighty...glad you aren't my Master...my Dominant tells me to go smoke...so i think i am good...

and the Matriarch of my leather house hold, whom i am on the phone with as i am typing, this wants to know if you want a Brownie button or a chest to pin it on?

edited to add: yes...i believe ingesting bullshit is unhealthy....

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 4:35:56 PM

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The broken true slave becomes a true extension of their Master's will - that is, his will fully supplants her own. This is close to but not quite the same as the idea of total submission (other end of the spectrum). As mentioned earlier the three components are the ego, ratio, and soul - the ego is the part that willfully performs actions, the do-er part. In the breaking process, this part is eliminated and what remains is the ability to think and comprehend, and to analyse, and the passions, hopes, and dreams.

All interactions with any person, including the Master are done as to the Master's will, if he has given or shown no instruction for a particular path then the slave will reason one out from what she knows and understands but she does this entirely by the fact that she can do no other, she has no will of her own, everything she does is by and through the power of his will. Is this dangerous? Hell yes! if he forbids her food, she will not eat, no matter how her body craves it. If he denies her water, she will not drink, no matter her thirst. She cannot, her Master has willed it so and it is culmination of who she is to obey that. She lives, breathes, and exists by his will.

This does not mean that she is without personality or her own inner nature that existed before the transformation, that remains intact, she is still individual in her personality.

In regards to functioning with others - she behaves as her Master wills. She has of sense of self, but that sense of self is tightly bound into the core understanding in her that she is her Master's slave and nothing more. In regards to self-control, it is examplary.

In the movie Secretary, with the lovely Maggie, at the culmination she is commanded to sit with her hands on the desk, and to not move. She does so, even though her bodily functions proceed as normal. While not the same situation, and it is entirely by her will in the movie, it should provide some insight into the broken slave.

thank you for answering...

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 4:43:08 PM

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Having been on the "broken" end of this discussion there is a couple of things I would like to say (please forgive me for posting and not being dominant or Master)
I didn't realize just how far gone I was until one day the one I was with at the time (not my current) thought to ask me what I thought, concerning something he said, what fell out of my mouth without a thought was "I don't think. I just do. it was completely true.. it was probably another 4 months before I was able to remove myself from the situation. During the period of time I was with him. I had forgotten how to want, among many other things, the thing I was before... was so faded I could only say that I knew I used to be different... I was very fortunate, as I have always been in this journey, to have a good friend, who with the help of her dominant (though he was never directly involved) slowly I began to fill up the places he had ripped away... it has been years and still I find there is some leftover crap... but along with all of the negative... I realized the strength that I must have within me to have come from that ... *smiles softly* thank you for allowing me to express myself.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:11:45 PM

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well aren't we Mr. High and Mighty...glad you aren't my Master...my Dominant tells me to go smoke...so i think i am good...

and the Matriarch of my leather house hold, whom i am on the phone with as i am typing, this wants to know if you want a Brownie button or a chest to pin it on?

edited to add: yes...i believe ingesting bullshit is unhealthy....

It's fine if you want to pollute your body with chemicals, risk lung cancer, do near irrepairable damage to your circulatory system that could also end up in amputation. I mean, that's what smoking does to you. If your Dominant wants that, then fine. His choice, your choice. It's certainly not for me, or for mine.

Nope, I don't need a medal, I live my life how I choose to live it, you asked me a question, I answered. Being petty because you didn't get the response you were hoping for is just silly. Don't want an answer, don't ask the question.

Yup, ingesting bullshit generally isn't healthy.

Edited to add: Injesting any kind of shit generally isn't healthy.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:15:45 PM

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SFM, obviously we all do things in life that aren't healthy. However, how that relates to the topic at hand other than you attempting to get others to share some blame for your ridiculous theories and their potential harmful impact on human beings is beyond me. The question isn't what others do, it's you.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:16:37 PM

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My first Master broke me down completely. In many ways i allowed it to happen. i saw the ways of him doing it coming right at me and yet allowed myself to bend to it because i wanted so desperately to please him and be the only one he wanted. He did break me down. Over 10 years together, he had turned me againt family and friends to make sure i was at no one's disposal but his. i lost my sense of self, my direction in life and literally felt i would die without him in it. i am not sure i can put into words what it does to one's soul and mind as well as their sense of trust. Family tried endlessly to pull me away from him and bring me back to who i was before, which was a bubbly, outgoing, intelligent, free thinking person who could be an indendant thinker again.
I can tell you that it took me 5 years of being with no one to find myself again and built up my self esteem again and regain any self worth.
I remember sitting on the couch one night and him grabbing my hair and turning me toward him and saying, "when i am done, you will be f*****g perfect! The perfect mind, the perfect body and the perfect will."
I also remember a little voice inside of me crying out to myself saying 'i'm still in here!!' and wondering why i was never perfect enough for him.
That was one collar i was more than happy to see go bye bye. the struggle to get back to who it was i used to be before him was long and very difficult, but i am glad i went through it as i learned a lot about myself and my strengths and weaknesses.
To me, there shoudn't have to be a breaking down process. Submission should come naturally and with a little bit of training the slave will be what you want, but more so out of her/his need/want/desire to be that pleasing to the Master/Mistress. To break down one by use of mentality is harsh, cruel and can scar far more than many realize. it is the truest hell on earth. i lived it.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:18:55 PM

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Having been on the "broken" end of this discussion there is a couple of things I would like to say (please forgive me for posting and not being dominant or Master)
I didn't realize just how far gone I was until one day the one I was with at the time (not my current) thought to ask me what I thought, concerning something he said, what fell out of my mouth without a thought was "I don't think. I just do. it was completely true.. it was probably another 4 months before I was able to remove myself from the situation. During the period of time I was with him. I had forgotten how to want, among many other things, the thing I was before... was so faded I could only say that I knew I used to be different... I was very fortunate, as I have always been in this journey, to have a good friend, who with the help of her dominant (though he was never directly involved) slowly I began to fill up the places he had ripped away... it has been years and still I find there is some leftover crap... but along with all of the negative... I realized the strength that I must have within me to have come from that ... *smiles softly* thank you for allowing me to express myself.

Thank you very much for your insight, twistedkytten. I'd like to ask, if you do not mind the questions, and it's causes no pain to answer:

Firstly, were you unhappy in this situation, was it something that somewhere at some level made you feel less or bad?

Secondly, have you ever had regret for pulling free from the relationship?

Thirdly, were you without personality, without dreams, passions, emotions and so on?

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:19:43 PM

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do you also live completely away from civillization? motorized vehicles? other people that smoke? factories that put out air pollution?
and if you do that...do you have adequite medical care?
there are risks to living life...i choose mine...i am aware of the risks...thank you for the smoking lecture, i've heard it a thousand times, and i could have given it a lot better than that...you forgot the damage i am doing to my finger nails, though that is just cosmetic...oh wait...there is the mouth and throat cancer, the other various throat damage...the constant irritating to my bronchial system...and your point?
i choose to smoke, right now...because if i didn't smoke i would be dead....drastic leap...but i know me...so...you'll have to trust me on this one...because i am not going to tell you why...and my Dominant knows why....and all the people that know me know why....so that is why they tell me to go have a cigarette...in fact often order me to go have a cigarette...because they like me alive now...at some point in the future...i will be able to quit...but for now....i'm good with this risk....

chelle

ps...you shouldn't shovel bullshit onto people's plates if you agree it's not healthy....

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:24:14 PM

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SFM, obviously we all do things in life that aren't healthy. However, how that relates to the topic at hand other than you attempting to get others to share some blame for your ridiculous theories and their potential harmful impact on human beings is beyond me. The question isn't what others do, it's you.

You seem to assume I'm going around breaking every woman I lay my hands on, or that I approach the matter without a deep degree of attention and every safety precaution I can possibly concieve. You also seem to assume I'm advocating everyone go out and try this (despite statements to the contrary). I think if anything, I've made it absolutely clear how inherently dangerous it is, but the fact that it is dangerous does not in and off itself mean it cannot, or that it should not be done at all.

We all place our lives in danger every day, in some way or another, at least once , probably up to ten times. The key is the precautions you take, the understanding and insight you have, and the attention and focus you maintain. In this regard, it relates directly to the topic and the discussion at hand.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:29:25 PM

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Nah, actually I've just read enough of your drivel to realize that you lack any sort of competence to be responsibile for another person's life. The guy that deflects instead of answering, that insults instead of communicating...nope sorry...you can't and shouldn't do this or anything even remotely close.

Then again, this statement is true of anyone that isn't a competent professional, which you have already stated you are not.
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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:29:47 PM

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do you also live completely away from civillization? motorized vehicles? other people that smoke? factories that put out air pollution?
and if you do that...do you have adequite medical care?
there are risks to living life...i choose mine...i am aware of the risks...thank you for the smoking lecture, i've heard it a thousand times, and i could have given it a lot better than that...you forgot the damage i am doing to my finger nails, though that is just cosmetic...oh wait...there is the mouth and throat cancer, the other various throat damage...the constant irritating to my bronchial system...and your point?
i choose to smoke, right now...because if i didn't smoke i would be dead....drastic leap...but i know me...so...you'll have to trust me on this one...because i am not going to tell you why...and my Dominant knows why....and all the people that know me know why....so that is why they tell me to go have a cigarette...in fact often order me to go have a cigarette...because they like me alive now...at some point in the future...i will be able to quit...but for now....i'm good with this risk....

chelle

ps...you shouldn't shovel bullshit onto people's plates if you agree it's not healthy....

Nope, I live in the center of Sydney, I live here, because I work here. I'm glad you recognise and accept what you are doing to your body by smoking. As I said, it's your choice. It is however hypocritical of you to tell other people they cannot do things that are dangerous - if they accept responsibility for their actions, and it's consensual (implicitly or explicitly) then you really have no ground to do so. Just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it's invalid for everyone else. You should know that.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:34:27 PM

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Nah, actually I've just read enough of your drivel to realize that you lack any sort of competence to be responsibile for another person's life. The guy that deflects instead of answering, that insults instead of communicating...nope sorry...you can't and shouldn't do this or anything even remotely close.

Then again, this statement is true of anyone that isn't a competent professional, which you have already stated you are not.
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I've communicated everything that has been asked of me, to the best of my ability to translate the thoughts and theories, and the elements that define them. If you view an inability to understand what is being said as in insult, thats your choice. What more detail do you want? I've put my thoughts openly on the table, I've listed the traits that I have found to be individual to both domains, I discussed how and why these theories developed and some of the resources that have been used in formulating it over the years.

I have done everything within my power in this limited forum to communicate. If you do not get it, if there is some break down in this translation, then it's beyond my ability to fix. I have deflected no questions and, I have answered as fully as I can. That is all there is to it.

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RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/25/2007 5:41:10 PM

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It is however hypocritical of you to tell other people they cannot do things that are dangerous - if they accept responsibility for their actions, and it's consensual (implicitly or explicitly) then you really have no ground to do so.

if they know that what you are saying is bullshit and continue to do it, then sure...it is their problem....they need to accept responsibility for their actions....but if someone believes what you are saying is true...there is a problem....consent is nothing if it is not informed consent....and i am not hypocritical because i am informed about my choices...and i want others to be informed about the choices they make...

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