RE: Breaking a sub/slave?

Join Our Community

Collarchat.com

Home Login Search

RE: Breaking a sub/slave?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: Breaking a sub/slave?

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 8:07:49 PM

RRafe

Posts: 2060
Joined: 8/29/2007
Status: offline

The only real 'breaking" you can do is more of a release. By providing a safe envirnment for expression. And it does take a pretty iron will on the part of the top. As well as the bottom-they must match in intensity-or it is for naught.

The will to see him or herself mirrored in the communication of the bottom.

To accept the good and bad equally-and not be shocked-or upset.

To be aware that we could all do with some improvement-and set goals to steadfastly and stubbornly work towards that.

Without shame.

Without fear.

Without hatred.

Manage this, and things WIIL change postively.

And you will find that what has been broken-never had any real value to begin with.

_____________________________

I seem to be some wierd combination of Ren and Stimpy

(in reply to MadRabbit)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 8:34:09 PM

Posts: 829
Joined: 9/27/2007
Status: offline

Breaking a submissive will result in a useless ragdoll that sits listless in the corner and does nothing without prompting, says nothing, and for all intents and purposes IS nothing.

Breaking habits and changing a persons attitudes and reactions is entirely different to breaking a slave.

Breaking a slave is the process of destroying one by one the defenses and shields of the slave, till you hold the core of their individuality in your hand, and then eliminating that last part of resistance and self so that they cease to be one thing, and are reborn as another. This can only be done with the true slave, and should never be attempted on a whim. Any other woman will be permanently damaged by such process.

(in reply to RRafe)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 8:37:37 PM

SirEbonyPhoenix

Posts: 195
Joined: 8/29/2006
From: My realm in Central Indiana (you guess where :P)
Status: offline

I've always been told, particuarly by a number of submissives (as well as some Dominants), that the objective is not to break a sub's/slave's will, ergo, I prefer to use the term guidance. After all, what must be understood is that whether one is a Dom/Master or submissive/slave, we all are on a journey and we are to help each other regardless of what our role is.

_____________________________

"If it takes one to know one, then you must be one."

(in reply to wisteriaV)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/22/2007 8:46:07 PM

Posts: 829
Joined: 9/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

I've always been told, particuarly by a number of submissives (as well as some Dominants), that the objective is not to break a sub's/slave's will, ergo, I prefer to use the term guidance. After all, what must be understood is that whether one is a Dom/Master or submissive/slave, we all are on a journey and we are to help each other regardless of what our role is.

Almost essentially, yes, but there is a rare form of slave that psychologically possesses a mix that requires true breaking to bring them to fulfillment and completion. "Rare" being the operative word.

(in reply to SirEbonyPhoenix)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 4:41:13 AM

Posts: 581
Joined: 6/19/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: wisteriaV

I have heard the term "breaking a sub and/or slave" several times. I know I will get many diverse answers to this question which will help me to understand the concept better. What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean? From what I have gathered thus far its a breaking of a will or spirit....

I call " bullshit" to anyone that tries to glorify or justify this manner of "mastery" ..

What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean?

[ gonna call slave a "she" and the breakER a "he", but I am sure it goes both ways gender wise]

What it means is that the sub/slave has found herself someone who practices controlling through fear and force.
vs someone who is IN control using self-discipline, patience, authority, leadership and EXPERIENCE.

breaking a toy is what a toddler does when it doesn't cooperate or bend and they just don't possess the maturity, skills(motor-skills) or patience yet to know how to properly play with and cause the toy to function the way he wants it to.

so you say you break your subs will and spirit?

do you also > pick up an axe and chop the top of the new ketchup bottle off??, instead of taking the time to unscrew the cap, remove the protective seal and squeeze the bottle with just enough patience and self-control to apply the desired amt of condiment to your "HOTDOG"?

when a kitten is playing with you, and it accidently scratches....do you break its arm?

can you even build a proper fire from scratch?
or do you prefer to own a fireplace, but could care less that you don't know how to make it burn and warm you? too much trouble and work to skillfully deal with that flame..ooo you might get burned a little. just stick a candle in it everyonceinawhile...for effect.
or better yet...homedepot sells those cans of liquid flame........you can hardly tell its not the "real deal" ..
easily started easily put out....no fuss no muss..
nothing ventured.......nothing gained..
you'll certainly never get burned by that baby! whew.

ya ok...this one pushed my buttons.......so sue me for having a passionate opinion about this topic.

personally> I will keep my spirit and my will ( self-esteem) firmly intact and if you don't have the patience to deal with me that way? its YOUR loss.

OH they also sell these little rubber puss errr "things" at the sex shops now...you can stick your hotdog in there anytime you want...and then put it back up on the shelf...nice and tidy. CONDIMENTS are extra.

_____________________________

Cyndi

.."There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. " Edith Wharton

(in reply to wisteriaV)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 6:07:31 AM

Posts: 829
Joined: 9/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cyntilating

quote:

ORIGINAL: wisteriaV

I have heard the term "breaking a sub and/or slave" several times. I know I will get many diverse answers to this question which will help me to understand the concept better. What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean? From what I have gathered thus far its a breaking of a will or spirit....

I call " bullshit" to anyone that tries to glorify or justify this manner of "mastery" ..

What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean?

[ gonna call slave a "she" and the breakER a "he", but I am sure it goes both ways gender wise]

What it means is that the sub/slave has found herself someone who practices controlling through fear and force.
vs someone who is IN control using self-discipline, patience, authority, leadership and EXPERIENCE.

breaking a toy is what a toddler does when it doesn't cooperate or bend and they just don't possess the maturity, skills(motor-skills) or patience yet to know how to properly play with and cause the toy to function the way he wants it to.

so you say you break your subs will and spirit?

do you also > pick up an axe and chop the top of the new ketchup bottle off??, instead of taking the time to unscrew the cap, remove the protective seal and squeeze the bottle with just enough patience and self-control to apply the desired amt of condiment to your "HOTDOG"?

when a kitten is playing with you, and it accidently scratches....do you break its arm?

can you even build a proper fire from scratch?
or do you prefer to own a fireplace, but could care less that you don't know how to make it burn and warm you? too much trouble and work to skillfully deal with that flame..ooo you might get burned a little. just stick a candle in it everyonceinawhile...for effect.
      or better yet...homedepot sells those cans of liquid flame........you can hardly tell its not the "real deal" ..
easily started easily put out....no fuss no muss..
nothing ventured.......nothing gained..
you'll certainly never get burned by that baby! whew.

ya ok...this one pushed my buttons.......so sue me for having a passionate opinion about this topic.

personally> I will keep my spirit and my will ( self-esteem) firmly intact and if you don't have the patience to deal with me that way? its YOUR loss.

OH they also sell these little rubber puss errr "things" at the sex shops now...you can stick your hotdog in there anytime you want...and then put it back up on the shelf...nice and tidy.   CONDIMENTS are extra.

Lots of assumptions.

Ganna clear up some terminology, since it can get confusing and we are going in the deep deep end.

Hmm, first, a submissive is not a slave, nor a slave a submissive, the two are different psychological profiles, different natures. What works with one, will damage the other, and vice versa, by their natures they respond to different stimuli and different approaches. Submissives are Dominated, Slaves are Mastered, again, there's a difference and it corresponds to that difference between submissive and slave. Normally these distinctions don't matter, but since we are going into something very deep, and very dangerous, it is important to be clear of the roles and natures.

Now most women are composed of a mix of the two - submissive/slave (which is why, generally , the distinction doesn't matter) - however, the exact midpoint 50% submissive, 50% slave is as rare as that which lies at either end of the spectrum, thats not important, the importance is that there are rare women that do lay exactly on the 100% slave mark.

Breaking doesn't require fear or force - leastwise not physical force. It requires patience, intense understanding, and dedication. It does frequently involve degrees of pain, since what is being induced is a final letting go of resistance to being, and transitioning to simply being, and this is happening at a fundemental level within the woman. It takes a great deal of care, and an intimate connection with the slave. However, as dangerous as it is, and as abhorrent as it might seem, for this rare woman, it is the only way in which she can truly be fulfilled.

Breaking a submissive, yields an automaton, a dull lifeless and listless creature, and the act is an abomination.

(in reply to Cyntilating)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 7:31:01 AM

Posts: 167
Joined: 5/16/2007
Status: offline

First: a disclamner: I am not in any way advocating the breaking of a slave.   While it's something that I have long been interested in from an academic point of view, it's both controversial and dangerous. However, there are people out there that claim they ~need~ this sort of relationship; and like anything else, I respect any relationship that started out as consensual between sane adults and causes no harm to others.

Rule: I am ~very~ sorry about Your friend. It's horrible to hear, and yes...I can definitely see the outcome of breaking a slave ending negatively in many situations. It's very risky business for a slave; as the end result is they are no longer the person they started out as. They have been fundamentally changed to their core, and without a responsible (and sane) Owner to care for them can end up as Your friend did. Thank You for sharing...I think that things like that can definitely give people pause (and ~should~)...

MadRabbit:   Of course, the one link I had is dead. I’d read about this probably 6-7 years ago- but I’ll keep searching. At the time, I’d befriended a woman that lived in such a relationship, and being ever curious (and immediately assuming she was the victim of abuse)- I did some research. She and her Master had sent me some really good material on the subject (which, of course, I can’t seem to locate now). The main ideas that I took away from the experience, though, was this:

They both considered her a slave- literally. It was not a role for her. She was fully owned by this Man; to the point where she would not/could not leave. The rights afforded to her by society were no longer rights she laid any claims to.  Her Master had become, in effect, her Sovereign- they lived in their own little world where He was truly Lord and Master- and had absolute control over her- to the point where had He condemned her to death, I think she willingly and without question would have accepted it as her fate. It apalled me, and yet I admit that I was fascinated by the dynamic of the relationship. It was the only relationship I would say that I have ever seen that I would say was TOTAL power exchange (or as close to it as people can come). He had as much control over every single aspect of her life as He did His own, while she no longer had any. He owned her time, she needed his permission to eat, to drink, to use the bathroom....~everything~.

Her Owner explained to me (and He did a much better job of it than I can) that the only way one person (at least in our society) can REALLY possess another as a slave is psychologically.   In order for that to happen, the Owner needs to get the slave to a place mentally where she can no longer hold back any of her former self. She is broken to become an entirely different creature- one who’s own will is replaced with the will of her Owner.

The theoretical necessity of “breaking” the slave is, in this instance, that it makes her utterly and completely vulnerable- and fully dependent upon her Owner. Then, and only then, can the process of Internal Enslavement become a psychological ’reality’ for the slave.  Until then, a person can be slave-like, and may identify with slavery in a figurative way- but they are not truly ~slaves~. (For all you folks out there reading this that define slavery differently- again, this is not my definition, it's here only in response as to why some people feel breaking a slave is necessary).

I'll keep looking for the articles, though....but hope that shed a little light on what I was referring to earlier.

sNs

_____________________________

There are two kinds of strengths: the strength to lead, and the strength to follow; the strength to control, and the strength to yield. There are two kinds of power: the power to strip away another's soul bare, and the power to stand naked. Yaldah Tova

(in reply to LuckyAlbatross)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 7:42:39 AM

Posts: 76
Joined: 10/14/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: wisteriaV

I have heard the term "breaking a sub and/or slave" several times. I know I will get many diverse answers to this question which will help me to understand the concept better. What does the term "breaking a sub and/or slave " mean? From what I have gathered thus far its a breaking of a will or spirit....

I break my slaves. To me, breaking in a slave is to make her obedient. I look at it much the same as breaking in a horse or dog. There are many different ways to break a slave. Some respond better to force then reward. Some respond better to reward then to force. I use whatever way works best starting with rewards. If a more stern hand is required then I use it.

(in reply to wisteriaV)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 7:44:59 AM

Posts: 3460
Joined: 8/9/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetNsmartBBW

MadRabbit:   Of course, the one link I had is dead. I’d read about this probably 6-7 years ago- but I’ll keep searching. At the time, I’d befriended a woman that lived in such a relationship, and being ever curious (and immediately assuming she was the victim of abuse)- I did some research. She and her Master had sent me some really good material on the subject (which, of course, I can’t seem to locate now). The main ideas that I took away from the experience, though, was this:

They both considered her a slave- literally. It was not a role for her. She was fully owned by this Man; to the point where she would not/could not leave. The rights afforded to her by society were no longer rights she laid any claims to.  Her Master had become, in effect, her Sovereign- they lived in their own little world where He was truly Lord and Master- and had absolute control over her- to the point where had He condemned her to death, I think she willingly and without question would have accepted it as her fate. It apalled me, and yet I admit that I was fascinated by the dynamic of the relationship. It was the only relationship I would say that I have ever seen that I would say was TOTAL power exchange (or as close to it as people can come). He had as much control over every single aspect of her life as He did His own, while she no longer had any. He owned her time, she needed his permission to eat, to drink, to use the bathroom....~everything~.

Her Owner explained to me (and He did a much better job of it than I can) that the only way one person (at least in our society) can REALLY possess another as a slave is psychologically.   In order for that to happen, the Owner needs to get the slave to a place mentally where she can no longer hold back any of her former self. She is broken to become an entirely different creature- one who’s own will is replaced with the will of her Owner.

The theoretical necessity of “breaking” the slave is, in this instance, that it makes her utterly and completely vulnerable- and fully dependent upon her Owner. Then, and only then, can the process of Internal Enslavement become a psychological ’reality’ for the slave.  Until then, a person can be slave-like, and may identify with slavery in a figurative way- but they are not truly ~slaves~. (For all you folks out there reading this that define slavery differently- again, this is not my definition, it's here only in response as to why some people feel breaking a slave is necessary).

I'll keep looking for the articles, though....but hope that shed a little light on what I was referring to earlier.

sNs

That is very interesting, but in all honesty, I consider discussions like this to be only interesting on the Internet theoretical level and even considering it past that has no place on the mantle of sanity and reality.

There is a whole score of psychological disorders that this relationship would be the poster child for.

< Message edited by MadRabbit -- 10/23/2007 7:46:16 AM >

_____________________________

Advice for New Dominants
The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions

Obama is NOT the Messiah! He's just a VERY NAUGHTY BOY

(in reply to sweetNsmartBBW)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 7:45:49 AM

Rule

Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline

What SFM said. He - having experience and insight - and I with my theoretical understanding know what we are talking about.

It is only the very rare natural slave, a superhuman being, that is eligible for this procedure - and only when specific conditions are met.

It should not be attempted by people that do not know what they are doing and have had no training and experience in this: they will mess up and damage the people they try it on.

It should never be attempted on ordinary slaves, ordinary humans and most especially not on natural submissives. Any attempt to do this to a natural submissive - another superhuman being - will destroy the priceless superhuman mind of the submissive, leaving only a worthless husk. To do this to a natural submissive or to anyone else who is not a natural slave is an abomination, as SFM said and as I have said before.

Nor is the crude breaking down and building up that the military do the same procedure. What the military do is another procedure that is an abomination as well.

(in reply to SixFootMaster)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 8:10:02 AM

Posts: 3923
Joined: 3/27/2005
Status: offline

i find the word "natural" to be a lot like the word "true" when applied to this lifestyle....it implies a implicitly better than status for no other reason than "just because"....and there is no getting around it....you can't replace one word with another and make your statement "more ok" because its a false statement...

lets break it down to basic logic, leaving the lifestyle out of it....you can't make "the green apple is an orange" any more true by change it to "the red apple is an orange" or any other color..."the orange apple is an orange" is still false....

now, i don't expect anyone on here to apply logic to their posts, that would be like expecting my shit to smell like roses...highly improbable, and very frustrating when it doesn't happen....but, i feel slightly better at having got it out there...

take care...
chelle

_____________________________

One thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve. ~Albert Schweitzer

(in reply to Rule)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 8:12:47 AM

Rule

Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetNsmartBBW
Rule: I am ~very~ sorry about Your friend. It's horrible to hear, and yes...I can definitely see the outcome of breaking a slave ending negatively in many situations. It's very risky business for a slave; as the end result is they are no longer the person they started out as. They have been fundamentally changed to their core, and without a responsible (and sane) Owner to care for them can end up as Your friend did. Thank You for sharing...I think that things like that can definitely give people pause (and ~should~)...

Unfortunately I learned all of this several years after he was murdered by his husband and last master. If only I had known what I know now before he was murdered, then I would have questioned him exhaustively.

My friend was perfectly happy during the five years that he was with the master that the people that transformed him into an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves allocated him to. It was what he had desired and what had been promised to him. When abandoned, he sought for his master and eventually found him in an institution and got blamed by him for his alcoholism. I gather that his master shortly after either fell from a mountain, jumped from a mountain or was pushed from a mountain. After his death he went through his papers and found a note that described in detail the evolution of the transformed slave, one fact of which was that after about five years the slave would be able to function independently from the master. This enraged him, for he felt betrayed: he had been promised that the transformation would last his entire life.

That my friend got murdered several years ago by his recent new master and husband, my friend desiring a divorce from him when after some months the marriage did not work out (they had been living together for about a year before they married), was not a consequence of his transformation. His sleep was being controlled with aspirins and sleeping pills by his master and in that condition he was suffocated in his sleep - a very ugly business. It was also a violation of their master/slave contract.

(in reply to sweetNsmartBBW)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 8:14:56 AM

Posts: 167
Joined: 5/16/2007
Status: offline

"That is very interesting, but in all honesty, I consider discussions like this to be only interesting on the Internet theoretical level and even considering it past that has no place on the mantle of sanity and reality.

There is a whole score of psychological disorders that this relationship would be the poster child for."

Hello again MadRabbit: I fully agree that for ~most~ people it has no place in sanity and reality- but that does not mean it has NO place in sanity and reality. While there may be many psychological disorders it would fall under the mantle of, is that not true of just about anything that is not considered mainstream or the 'norm'? The very fact that we are here posting on an alternative lifestyle forum would have us lumped together in a similar category by many nice, ordinary, non-kinky folk...

Just my take on it, and I fully respect Yours as well.

sNs

< Message edited by sweetNsmartBBW -- 10/23/2007 8:15:17 AM >

_____________________________

There are two kinds of strengths: the strength to lead, and the strength to follow; the strength to control, and the strength to yield. There are two kinds of power: the power to strip away another's soul bare, and the power to stand naked. Yaldah Tova

(in reply to Rule)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 8:19:09 AM

Posts: 167
Joined: 5/16/2007
Status: offline

Thanks again for the clarfication and explanation, Rule. Your friend's story is truly tragic.

sNs

_____________________________

There are two kinds of strengths: the strength to lead, and the strength to follow; the strength to control, and the strength to yield. There are two kinds of power: the power to strip away another's soul bare, and the power to stand naked. Yaldah Tova

(in reply to sweetNsmartBBW)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 8:35:19 AM

Rule

Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: chellekitty
i find the word "natural" to be a lot like the word "true" when applied to this lifestyle....it implies a implicitly better than status for no other reason than "just because"....

There is wine and there is Champagne. It is not just because. There are ordinary people with average minds and there are superhuman people with extraordinary minds. The rare natural slave - whether female or male - is one of those types of superhuman people, a caterpillar that becomes a butterfly upon her transformation into an incarnation of the Goddess of Slaves, in essence a holy, divine being. She is the real McCoy. Any other type of slave is most likely merely an ordinary person.

(in reply to chellekitty)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 9:01:58 AM

Posts: 3923
Joined: 3/27/2005
Status: offline

and they are both fermented grapes that i can't drink because i am an addict...

you obviously don't get it...but thats ok...because i don't expect you to be logical....i checked most of my logic requirements at the entrance to these boards...

chelle

_____________________________

One thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve. ~Albert Schweitzer

(in reply to Rule)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 11:01:30 AM

Posts: 3460
Joined: 8/9/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetNsmartBBW

Hello again MadRabbit: I fully agree that for ~most~ people it has no place in sanity and reality- but that does not mean it has NO place in sanity and reality. While there may be many psychological disorders it would fall under the mantle of, is that not true of just about anything that is not considered mainstream or the 'norm'? The very fact that we are here posting on an alternative lifestyle forum would have us lumped together in a similar category by many nice, ordinary, non-kinky folk...

Just my take on it, and I fully respect Yours as well.

sNs

It is my opinion that what is being talked about in these boards is incredibly harmful and dangerous. It also does not match any M/S relationship I have met in my personal experiences.

I've considered the information here and thought about it and I dont agree with it.

I fully support people's right to make decisions that I think are harmful and bad, but I dont feel any particular need to pat the idea of the back and say "Aww how great!" when I dont agree with it.

I'm not going to advocate something that I find to be a horrible idea.

Which is my opinion on the subject. I find the idea of turning any individual into a broken dog to be disqusting and descipable and insane with reasons to support that.

< Message edited by MadRabbit -- 10/23/2007 11:08:54 AM >

_____________________________

Advice for New Dominants
The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions

Obama is NOT the Messiah! He's just a VERY NAUGHTY BOY

(in reply to sweetNsmartBBW)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 11:23:36 AM

Posts: 167
Joined: 5/16/2007
Status: offline

Again, I don't see where we disagree. It's why I prefaced the post with the following:

"First: a disclamner: I am not in any way advocating the breaking of a slave.   While it's something that I have long been interested in from an academic point of view, it's both controversial and dangerous. However, there are people out there that claim they ~need~ this sort of relationship; and like anything else, I respect any relationship that started out as consensual between sane adults and causes no harm to others."

The OP had a question about the breaking of slaves; I responded in an informative manner not to endorse it- but to answer her question.  I don't see where I have patted anyone on the back or said anything about it being a positive thing in most circumstances.

Many of the practices on these boards can be incredibly harmful and dangerous- but what is harmful and dangerous to one, is not to another. Then again, certain people actually purposely seek out things they consider harmful and dangerous. A lot of it boils down to an individual's philosophy on things; there's SSC, RACK, consensual non consent...and goodness knows what else out there.

Just because I attempt to understand something- and share my knowledge with others- does not mean I'm giving it my personal seal of approval.  Especially in this instance.  What I have done is acknowledge it's existence, my understanding of it, and the realization that I don't need to approve of it for it to be a valid, and possibly positive, choice for another.

sNs

_____________________________

There are two kinds of strengths: the strength to lead, and the strength to follow; the strength to control, and the strength to yield. There are two kinds of power: the power to strip away another's soul bare, and the power to stand naked. Yaldah Tova

(in reply to MadRabbit)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 11:30:01 AM

Rule

Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I find the idea of turning any individual into a broken dog to be disqusting and descipable and insane with reasons to support that.

Quite. As SFM and I have said: such is an abomination when it concerns someone who is not the very rare natural slave and in her case unless specific conditions both on the part of the master and the slave have been met. Lay people that do not know what they are doing, that have not been trained in such a practice and have no experience doing it and that presumably cannot distinguish a natural slave from any other slave, nor from a submissive, should not meddle in this.

(in reply to MadRabbit)

RE: Breaking a sub/slave? - 10/23/2007 11:30:05 AM

Posts: 3460
Joined: 8/9/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetNsmartBBW

Again, I don't see where we disagree. It's why I prefaced the post with the following:

"First: a disclamner: I am not in any way advocating the breaking of a slave.   While it's something that I have long been interested in from an academic point of view, it's both controversial and dangerous. However, there are people out there that claim they ~need~ this sort of relationship; and like anything else, I respect any relationship that started out as consensual between sane adults and causes no harm to others."

The OP had a question about the breaking of slaves; I responded in an informative manner not to endorse it- but to answer her question.  I don't see where I have patted anyone on the back or said anything about it being a positive thing in most circumstances.

Many of the practices on these boards can be incredibly harmful and dangerous- but what is harmful and dangerous to one, is not to another. Then again, certain people actually purposely seek out things they consider harmful and dangerous. A lot of it boils down to an individual's philosophy on things; there's SSC, RACK, consensual non consent...and goodness knows what else out there.

Just because I attempt to understand something- and share my knowledge with others- does not mean I'm giving it my personal seal of approval.  Especially in this instance.  What I have done is acknowledge it's existence, my understanding of it, and the realization that I don't need to approve of it for it to be a valid, and possibly positive, choice for another.

sNs

We arent in disagreement at all. I appreciate the information and I read it and considered it.

My contribution to this discussion is that the two people are nuts for doing this and this kind of thing shouldnt even be considered.

Amazingly, though people continue to do things that I think shouldnt even be considered. Like flying off a 30 story building by flapping one's arms.

People are more than welcome to consider and do things that I think shouldnt be considered or done.

< Message edited by MadRabbit -- 10/23/2007 12:07:36 PM >

_____________________________

Advice for New Dominants
The Unpolitically Correct Lifestyle Definitions

Obama is NOT the Messiah! He's just a VERY NAUGHTY BOY

(in reply to sweetNsmartBBW)

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Master >> RE: Breaking a sub/slave?

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 4 5 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2024

Terms of Service

3.039