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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 11/20/2007 12:24:07 PM

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Dear solvr70, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I do understand that dressing in an attire and or costume 're-enforced' the Bxxxx in you. I see this as a role-play and or a role gender reversal.

That said, I personally would have great difficulty in being a 'taker' when it comes to sex in role-play as I prefer to be a lady and not a Bxxxx that takes on another Bxxxx and or to 'use' and or 'abuse' a Sxxx sort. I suppose it is due to the displeasure of having nasty or 'bxxxxy' people around me and or nasty profanity.

I do understand it might be a thrill to others to role reverse and 'mock' rape a male. I can also see how women who had been victims of rape and or assault would channel 'revenge' and or 'rage' and or 'healing and or closure' with sort of exchange.

But, for those who are just an occasional partner and or do occasional role play; it still gives concerns to those who really seek long term relationships. It take a lot of energy and creativity to maintain a 'role-play' theme through an entire relationship--I would think if living together 24/7. Expectations would really have to be part of the negotiations. But, one of these days-- the role-play creative well will run dry.

I also wonder outload, if and when the 'cute' phase wears off--then what? I personally think I would be disappointed that the relationship lost it's consistancy. The courting behavior is often when we see people at their best. It takes seeing people at their worse, out of makeup and sneezing, sniffling and 'I got a headache' several times to see that life is just not all 'Hollywood' and fetish. What happens to a lad after being taken and used like a Bxxxx to re-enforce that Bxxxx role--what will we find? What will be behind the doors--Door #1, #2 and #3-- will the price be right.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 11/20/2007 5:36:47 PM

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Lady Hugs, (curtsey)
i don't know that i would characterize "trying to offer more", as a 'bribe'. Isn't that what slaves/subs do? Isn't that what vanilla people do? When people date, they try and look their best, they try and impress the opposite sex right?
You are right that it does come down to personal choice. Those who want manly subs....great. knock yourselves out. i'm still looking for the one who may like me the way i am.
lauren

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 11/21/2007 12:14:43 AM

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Dear balletsissypa, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I am of the belief that no matter if human, animal and or ocean bound; courtship is part of life as it is part of attracting a mate as to breed.

Humans of course look beyond the moment and if experienced in the courting dance per se;
so--yes; everybody puts on their best display, behavior and such. Its normal and its necessary to attract the other's eye in a sea of humanity.

What I am attempting to offer for thought is, that beyond the here and now; the post Honeymoon phases--people need to pick partners not just on the kink and or fetish side but, select a person/partner/mate for their 'total' self and the compatabilites as to last for the long haul--not scenes here and there and or an occasional role play.

Problem is--is finding that partner who matches. [Smiles] Its a shared one no matter who and or what you are.

Just some thoughts.

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Lady Hugs

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/4/2007 5:59:48 PM

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i have been dressed (thigh-high boots, leather vest, nipple clamps and makeup) before being taken, but not standalone. it did kick the experience up a notch and help reinforce the bitch role i was in.

Now this scenario confuses me a bit.. you seem to want the woman to take you as a male rapist would..why not as a woman? I notice so many male subs want a domina to behave more as a man than for her to use her feminine intellect in her seduction. I think perhapse its an emotional deterrent when a man requests a byatch to dominate him then has an excuse NOT to fall in love with them and also he confirms that all women are deep down byatches and not the compassionate people we are.. Just thinking out loud here. If you want someone who will stoop to "rape", then why not serve a male dom?

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/4/2007 7:22:47 PM

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wait a mintue here i dont think all sisses , panty bois , cders have that in there mind or head when they seeka MIstress .... i will say i think some might or do but nont every one dose ......giveing away poer to anther is a great way too get away form the daily grind of real life .....

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/4/2007 8:24:23 PM

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wait a mintue here i dont think all sisses , panty bois , cders have that in there mind or head when they seeka MIstress .... i will say i think some might or do but nont every one dose ......giveing away poer to anther is a great way too get away form the daily grind of real life .....

That I do understand.. I just think if a man wants to be taken in a rape..he sould have an AUTHENTIC experience. No one can do it like a man.

I dont know if I find it funny or sad..that some subs think the more "manly" a domina is..the better a domme she is. I just know I make one piss-poor man!

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/5/2007 3:07:56 AM

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lotus you say you make a piss pore man ??? maybe in your ways or feelings you do but why not ask the sub maybe they / he / she feels quite diffrent then you might think... i will say that im betting many cd, panty boi ,sissies have wanted to find or play with a Master but just cant find one willing or havent found one that dose so they stay with a Mistress as a comfurt or therejust scared too sub to a Real Man .

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/5/2007 4:20:16 AM

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LotusSong, why do you answer questions from TS/TV/TG/CD people? You hate that lifestyle and therefore I don't think you should comment against it(checked your profile). I am a TS and want nothing to do with males but I do love to have ladies use (rape) or do whatever they feel like with me. I am sorry but to make a comment that "no one can do it like a man" in the case of rape is giving all males a bad label. I am male and have never condond rape and never will and if a lady wants to have rape play then is it consensual and not rape. Sorry but males are not the only ones that can rape and "IF" you are a male hater you shouldn't make comments out of your hatered. I mean no offense to anyone but I did take offense to LotusSongs comment and needed to reply, not out of anger but just to refute a bad label being put on males.

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/5/2007 8:51:02 AM

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i have been dressed (thigh-high boots, leather vest, nipple clamps and makeup) before being taken, but not standalone. it did kick the experience up a notch and help reinforce the bitch role i was in.

Now this scenario confuses me a bit.. you seem to want the woman to take you as a male rapist would..why not as a woman? I notice so many male subs want a domina to behave more as a man than for her to use her feminine intellect in her seduction. I think perhapse its an emotional deterrent when a man requests a byatch to dominate him then has an excuse NOT to fall in love with them and also he confirms that all women are deep down byatches and not the compassionate people we are.. Just thinking out loud here. If you want someone who will stoop to "rape", then why not serve a male dom?

rape is something totally different and not of interest at all.

i never intented to imply that being taken as a man, or made up completely as a woman before hand was not of interest. i'm flexible and interested in the dynamics of both. the key thing being that in any case, it's intensely erotic and exciting to the Woman who is doing the taking.

i also know this is just one dynamic of a relationship. but in keeping the comments on-topic....

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/5/2007 8:58:51 AM

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LotusSong, why do you answer questions from TS/TV/TG/CD people? You hate that lifestyle and therefore I don't think you should comment against it(checked your profile). I am a TS and want nothing to do with males but I do love to have ladies use (rape) or do whatever they feel like with me. I am sorry but to make a comment that "no one can do it like a man" in the case of rape is giving all males a bad label. I am male and have never condond rape and never will and if a lady wants to have rape play then is it consensual and not rape. Sorry but males are not the only ones that can rape and "IF" you are a male hater you shouldn't make comments out of your hatered. I mean no offense to anyone but I did take offense to LotusSongs comment and needed to reply, not out of anger but just to refute a bad label being put on males.

Thank You,
Ashley

What I object to is the males thinking they have to be "feminized" to submit as if submission is a "second class" status and god forbid they do it as a man. I object to a man wanting a woman to rape him. Obviously, a man requesting to be so has never been raped. A woman "having her way" does not come across as rape as we do more of a seduction. We (or maybe I'm the only one) do more convincing of the submissive to submit and when it happens, it's more rewarding.

Men dominate by force..women dominate by conjoling and seduction. Think about it. THAT's what I'm pointing out here. It's has nothing to do with man hateing..good lord, I LOVE GUYS :) I have no desire to dominate like a man.

I dislike crossdressing, that much is true. But because it is always a gross exaggeration of a male's concept of his own dream girl. The boobies over sized and up to their throat and the lisping, swishy walk comes across as more of an insult than an "honoring of feminitiy" TO ME.

I'm supportive of those who are transgendered- that's a whole different animal.

Sorry you took offence. Rest assured, I took no offence to your post.

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 4:10:13 AM

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as a panty wearing male i agree many over size there boobes , over do there make up i totaly agreeee... but then you are putting us all in that same catagory then . i have yet to do that with all Mistresses we all have diffrent likes and needs and wants but for some reason the guy / guys who are willing too admitt they wear panties or do are always seeming too be looked down on by every one as if we are the the worst of all the fetishes out there ??????/

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 5:36:38 AM

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What I object to is the males thinking they have to be "feminized" to submit as if submission is a "second class" status and god forbid they do it as a man

I really have to disagree with that statement. I carry a high profile job during the day and being feminized gets me to that submissive state of mind. I don't however think of it as a "second class" of anything. Just a matter of what works.

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 6:16:28 AM

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hey Diaper

like you many of us are very Dominate in the work or business world and to submitt and relax helps releve the daily stress and pressures of running a company and watching over sevral 100 employeesand there well being so they have jobs too go to and live there lifes well said diaper

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 7:10:53 AM

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I object to a man wanting a woman to rape him. Obviously, a man requesting to be so has never been raped. A woman "having her way" does not come across as rape as we do more of a seduction.

No one wants to "be raped". Many of us, male and female, alike have rape fantasies. As a fantasy, some people want to be "forced" to take a strap-on or dildo from a sexy Dominant woman and others want to be "forced" to take a real cock. Some people engaging in enactment of rape fantasies HAVE actually been raped and are working through that trauma on their own terms. Others never have been and are just engaging in mutual fantasy role-play. Certainly some women won't do rape play in either role and that is fine for them, but to present that women are always and only engaged in "seduction" and never play at "rape" is simply wrong. While it may reflect your experience, it certainly cannot be generalized to everyone else's experience.

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 12:42:19 PM

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hey Diaper

like you many of us are very Dominate in the work or business world and to submitt and relax helps releve the daily stress and pressures of running a company and watching over sevral 100 employeesand there well being so they have jobs too go to and live there lifes well said diaper

Now I'm wondering.. do you feel women just "have it easier" and being en femme gives you that experience?
(I'm meaning this outside of the fetish definition). Each gender thinks the other has it easier.

I do have a cross dressing fantasy though. Remember the character Ruth Buzzy used to play on Laugh In.. the little old lady with the hairnet? I'd get a kick out of "forcing" a guy to dress as her and send him into a drugstore to buy douche and Depends. THAT would be ultimate humiliation LOL!

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 12:43:03 PM

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Dear iwearpanties, diaperedbaby, Ladies and Gentlemen;

May I please have your thoughts and comments to the issue of acceptance problems in the following phrased paragraph and or phrased in a question format:

1. Many men who have jobs which requires a dominant and stressful position that require props, such as feminine garments and such--is only a 'healing' avenue of self serving nature as to 'decompress' from their job--where the Dominant woman would just 'enable' this 'drug' of anti-stress but, is seen as a deliverer--more than a need to see that she has equal pleasure out of the experience? What is it for her--what does she get out of it? Is this man going to turn into a Dominant male as soon as he is out of his femme frocks and did a wee bit of a scene until he is relaxed -- or will this man continue without his frocks and props, to be the same submissive man in the relationship?

2. Why do men need props, such as putting on feminine garb and behave as female in order to act/be submissive? Why can't it be without props at all? Wouldn't lack of submission in all forms unless in women's frocks--a form of 'conditional submission?' Why would a woman want a 'conditional submission' and or 'intermitten' submission--or a part-time slave?

3. If you had a woman who could not Dominate, unless putting on the garments of a masculine male, to include padded arms to take the place of muscles, a phallus to fill the crotch area with dangled balls to bat about the thighs; and speak in a low voice, wear hair totally masculine--how would you feel?

4. What would happen if those men reading this thread, lost their jobs and no longer in the dominant power position and just another "John Doe." Would you men still need the frocks to put you in the mood to submit and or be in the position of faux surrender so you could submit for a while until you are decompressed of stress?

5. What in your mind crosses the line of humiliation and the making a mockary out of women in general?

This is not to flame or deminish--however, in order to understand and or learn--these things need to be asked and or explored.

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/8/2007 12:46:37 PM

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I object to a man wanting a woman to rape him. Obviously, a man requesting to be so has never been raped. A woman "having her way" does not come across as rape as we do more of a seduction.

No one wants to "be raped". Many of us, male and female, alike have rape fantasies. As a fantasy, some people want to be "forced" to take a strap-on or dildo from a sexy Dominant woman and others want to be "forced" to take a real cock. Some people engaging in enactment of rape fantasies HAVE actually been raped and are working through that trauma on their own terms. Others never have been and are just engaging in mutual fantasy role-play. Certainly some women won't do rape play in either role and that is fine for them, but to present that women are always and only engaged in "seduction" and never play at "rape" is simply wrong. While it may reflect your experience, it certainly cannot be generalized to everyone else's experience.

You left off the sentence above your clipped quote here where nI said : We (or maybe I'm the only one) do more convincing of the submissive to submit and when it happens, it's more rewarding.

I wasn't generealizing. Heh.. maybe I AM the only one!

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/9/2007 3:49:45 AM

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Lady Hugs

youve asked some great questions of which i will answer for my self i cant tell you every guy wilhave or dose have the same feelings when submitting because i couldn"t same gose for not all females like have a guy in panties .

1. i would be the same sub guy at all times even after play or submission, in public i would submissive yet manly since a Mistress would want that. I'd as she wanted carry her bags wear panties or bra under male clothes to remind of my submision to her or like i have in the past i wear a pink rubber bracelet like the yellow ones that where very hot a few yrs back i wore pink as sign of submission to her and to support the breast cancer too. but my submisson to her .

2 . as for props i like the feel of panties or the fabrics the nylon is liter and more comfy then male cotton briefs but boxer briefs are very nice if made with a good fabric.    also there cut diffrent and can be at times a tigther fit then male underware
as submissive's maybe in are fantsays or mind / roleplay we seek to be what we where as kids and maybe for some it can go back to childhhod spanking a single mother discpliner child ect.

3. i dont seek a Mistress too dress as male i like her too all women and female and like i say it could be some look at it as a mother figure or teacher or baby sitter orsome in there life that disciplined them or just plan fantsay too play  maybe for some they want a Mistress too dress as male could it be the fact that a woman can wear male clothes and no one realy cares but if i guy wears females things   very quickly he is looked at as if or is he gay? as a male to be its sexy seeing a woman in her silkys its sexy make you wonder whats under neaththem but in them she is very sexy and senual and dressed this way has power of a man we are weak and men crave sex i think more thena woman but then again i think some women want sex more then men dont you think?

4 as for my self f i lost my job id still remain submisve i was sub missive before i had a stressfull job/power postion. and my fetishes where with me long before i was an adult in the working world .after all i think and feel its fetishes that can lead us into the D/s world or Dom or submsive states  .rember these arent the thought of every submissve and each will have diffrent reasons for there own submissve state this is just my in take on what you ask

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/9/2007 7:07:57 AM

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I have to agree. My needs for submission are no different than ones needs to be dominate. That submissive nature is intact when I am with one that knows me personally or intimately. That is much different than say the workplace where it is a professional atmosphere and my personal life is rarely discussed.

A relationship can't be one sided. So what would one offer. It depends of course, but many women/partners I believe would like the fact of having a submissive male wife that brings a high standard of living to the table. If the next day one is jobless or whatever, then something else has to be brought to the table.
Biggest thing is to show appreciation for the other and accomadate their needs whatever they might be.

Lastly, does it require props or womens clothes? I don't think so, but if it enhances the experience, then why not? Kinda like watching a black and white tv. Still the same show and sound, but the bright colored picture obviously enhances the experience.

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RE: Sissies' Acceptance Problem - 12/9/2007 9:29:16 AM

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Dear iwearpanties, diaperdbaby, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Hopefully others will respond to my questions, [Reference Post #76] but, I do wish to thank you for responding and offers more questions to be asked, to add to the understanding, knowledge and exchange of thoughts and or reasonings.

Iwearpanties, you mentioned in the response to Post #76, that women wouldn't be seen in a judgmental way if they wore male attire and had male props as to be and or appear more masculine. I wish to say, from my own experiences--I have been subjected to many people's perception and or assumptions when wearning a masculine attire. It is unfortunate, that most of the time wearing a uniform--which is military and or uniformed by its nature -- I have often been labeled as a Lesbian and or Butch; when in fact I am and will remain a Heterosexual. I do have Butch and Lesbian friends and acquaintances. However, I wanted to offer the experiences I've had working in a male dominated profession in and or out of uniform; often puts people in a difficult position--especially when there are brief encounters and not knowing the person fully.
Having many Gay friends--I am often judged as a Lesbian as well. So many who find out I am a Gay man trapped in a lady's body--blush from embarrassment that they 'assumed' rather than made an inquiry to know factually. In addition, drag-queens do wear feminine attire and often so well -- you really can't tell.

Diaperedbaby, thank you for responding also to Post #76

So, this adds to another question to explore for those who identify with this thread--

1. Do you think about being mistaken for a Gay man who is a drag queen or one who is evolving into one by wearing feminine undergarments?

2. Could this be a avenue to be bisexual 'safely' through dressing femmie?

3. If it is all about the 'feel' of under garments, why not have male under garments 'tailored' as to give that 'firm/tighter' feel?

4. Why is there a thought that women seek a male wife? Might be many women who dislike the thought of marriage yet, prefer a Master/Mistress-slave relationship--

5. Enhancement is often associated with improvement, development and or amplification. IF there is a Dominant-submissive relationship, why does it require 'dressing' femme to enhance performance when relationships are often based on consistancy as well as expectations of performance in the partnership? Having to enhance yourself in order to bring you up to the desires and expectations of the lady/woman as Dominant; wouldn't this be seen the same as 'conditional?' Wouldn't this be much like a case of being a skinny person, then don a fat suit so there can be an enhanced experience of being fat, yet--you are able to take it off as and when you please, as to be skinny again--as not to maintain the state of being fat--isn't this a 'conditional' experience as well? [Borrowed example from a very inquisitive lady who wrote me one time] Having to lean on enhancements as to perform in a consistant manner and what is expected over all; is an addiction perhaps?

6. Without the 'sex' and or 'sexual intercourse' factors --just focus on the acts, behavior, belief system, spiritual, mental, emotional self -- would it be possible to be submissive without fetish, without props and self placement in sensations and visible stimulation, e.g. clothes, frocks, props, etc.?

7. What do men who do femme want out of Female Dominants? What are they expected to do as to be an ideal partner for someone who likes to dress femme?

8. This is a repeat question, still unanswered but--still is an interest to me and perhaps others reading this thread -- What do you (gentlemen who identify as sissy, diapered boys, cross-dressers, femme fetish, etc) see as humiliation role play and or mind/emotional/spiritual placement for humble and or status reassignment into something under the Female Dominant; and what do you gentlemen see as being an insult and or mocking women? Where are your lines between those two sides?

9. What power do clothes have over you that nothing else can replace it; to give the 'enhanced' experience of submission and or fetish and or humiliation?

Again, I will state--this is not to flame or disrespect however, these questions and responses may/can/will help understand beyond the props and or labels.

Hope more folks will participate in the discussion of an exploring nature. [Smiles]

Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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