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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 12:57:55 PM

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I'm just curious..but, when did this blowjob thing get introduced? I've never mentioned how she was expected to serve..

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 12:58:14 PM

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No pun intended, but shouldn't she just have sucked it up and dealt with it? She had 9 hours of sleep which for most is plenty.I guess I'm struggling with what I see as 'well she isn't a morning person so she shouldn't have to function until she is ready' type thing. Sleep is vital to my health so I do get that bit, it's just the acceptance of her reaction that I don't get.Ugh I feel like I'm saying things backwards today!

I'm not saying her reaction was a good one, just that it is understandable. I've known people and had to wake up people who honestly were not themselves in the morning and needed time to wake up. It is just the way they are, the way I am just a bubbly person and there isn't anything to be done about it. If she just is not herself in the morning, punishing her for it is going to do the same good as punishing me for being bubbly.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 12:59:03 PM

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couldn't one view the quiet time in the corner as time for herself? I mean honestly, if I'm being made to wait for her why the hell should she get to spend that time in a comfy bed?

While I see nothing wrong with this, and I see 9 hours of sleep a luxury, I do believe there are expectation issues that need to be addressed in your dynamic.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:00:21 PM

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couldn't one view the quiet time in the corner as time for herself? I mean honestly, if I'm being made to wait for her why the hell should she get to spend that time in a comfy bed?

Sure, but if it isn't punishment, why can't she sit somewhere comfortable while she comes back to herself? I understand your frustration, but even some machines need a warm up period. You could have her get out of the bed and take a shower or make a cup of coffee, something that gets her out of the bed and moving and helps wake her up.

As she is a puppy slave, you might want to coax her with a treat. Teach her to wake up in the morning the way you would teach a dog to sit. Rewards for good, ignoring for bad.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:01:09 PM

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I'm just curious..but, when did this blowjob thing get introduced? I've never mentioned how she was expected to serve..

You didn't. I mentioned it in an example of how I am woken up with the expectation to serve. I've also been woken up to dance, to run an errand, to fuck, to do anything, basically. But that's how it came up.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:03:06 PM

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I'm just curious..but, when did this blowjob thing get introduced? I've never mentioned how she was expected to serve..

When i mentioned it, it was simply a "for instance" and i made the remark that it could be *that* type of service, or *any* other...and i still stand by what i've stated. In my past relationships, my direct disobedience (especially to something that isn't exactly rocket science) would not have flown, so-to-speak. BJ, f*, it's all the same...

i was/am under the impression this is *not* the first time she's been reluctant to serve and that she serves if and when she sees fit...*if* i'm even correct...but i don't know Y/you two so i may not be (and there are two sides to every story). If this is correct, i'm confused as to why she wants to be in a D/s style relationship where the dynamic is Dominant/submissive. What is submissive about her making the rules as to when and if she "feels" like serving her Dom?

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:05:49 PM

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she knows very well what is expected of her, she has agreed to these terms and has even begged to be back in the situation upon previously being dismissed for this same type of behavior. it's not the sleep nor the being woken up that's the issue. it's the fact that for her entire life she's been able to do what she's wanted and when she didn't want to do something, being a total bitch was enough to get out of it. obviously this approach isn't going to work out in a M/s dynamic..
one thing to consider, as much as it may annoy me..is that often times she prefers to be taken rather than give her submission..it's just the masochist in her. However, there is a time for that.. 5 am while her father is asleep in the next room is no time for forced play.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:07:25 PM

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In my opinion, your puppy/slave way overstepped her boundaries. When one willingly enters into an M/s relationship, the slave knows that their Masters needs come first. What you asked her to do in no way compromised her safety, pushed her limits, or should have made her uncomfortable in the slightest. True, there is the issue with the father outside the room, but I am assuming that the type of service you required was more along the lines of intercourse or oral sex than full bondage dungeon play. Unless you or her is insanely loud, you could have easily engaged in sex with her father in the next room, then she could have gone back to bed. Hell, my boyfriend (with whom I have a vanilla relationship) will sometimes wake me up and ask for some play. Even with me not submitting to him in any way, I do it. Why? Because it doesn't hurt me, and it makes him feel good.
If I were you, I would sit her down after she has woken up on her own, and ask her if she really wants to be a slave. Explain to her that she has to take care of your needs whenever it is physically possible for her to do so. Then, if she tells you that she does indeed want to be your slave, ignore her for awhile. Make her see that you are displeased with her by not letting her do anything for you. Then, she will either beg you to let her serve you again, or she will leave. If she does beg to stay with you, just be wary. If this behavior continues, you may not be compatible.

Just my opinion. Best of luck

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:10:32 PM

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you are right about her serving when she wants to serve..when she doesn't want to, she resists. it's not that I still can't get what I want from her during those times, it's just that it has to be taken. afterwards, she apologizes for her actions and confesses that she liked it.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:14:02 PM

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she knows very well what is expected of her, she has agreed to these terms and has even begged to be back in the situation upon previously being dismissed for this same type of behavior. it's not the sleep nor the being woken up that's the issue. it's the fact that for her entire life she's been able to do what she's wanted and when she didn't want to do something, being a total bitch was enough to get out of it. obviously this approach isn't going to work out in a M/s dynamic..
one thing to consider, as much as it may annoy me..is that often times she prefers to be taken rather than give her submission..it's just the masochist in her. However, there is a time for that.. 5 am while her father is asleep in the next room is no time for forced play.

Now i am very confused. You are defending Your dynamic and complaining at the same time, or what the heck was the original question? She does what she pleases and hangs her very life over You like the sword of Damocles. You are bound and shackled and should shop whining over the service you are expected to bestow upon her and once you accept who is really in charge the easier it will be to surrender to your submissive nature and all will be happy and bright in your world once again.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:16:21 PM

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So I must know....Did the corner time work? How did she respond to being awaken at 7:00 am and placed in the corner?

And just for the record, if she has agreed to a TPE relationship then 5 am, 3 am or midnight she is expected to serve. I mean, did she not know what TPE stood for when she agreed to it? Hell, I was in a vanilla relationship with a guy who used to wake in the middle of the night hard and expecting me to serve him. I am in no way a morning person either, but because I loved him and it was understood that I was to serve him no mater what time it was I did it without complaint.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:17:04 PM

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lol wow..nobody said i was defending anything. I was offering insight into past experience with her. I never said that I find this acceptable, if I did then this post would never have existed and she would never have been released. I'm just trying to help you guys make some sense out of why a girl like this might act the way she does.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:22:45 PM

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Actually it makes perfect sense to me now that you have explained it. In her heart she wants this, but she has been conditioned in her past to get her way. That kind of conditioning doesn't go away overnight. It needs to be taught and re-taught, coming from one who was previously conditioned myself (in other areas). It's a tough spot you're in. I am grateful to my Master for staying the course, although I hugely tried his patience in the beginning (and middle, lol). I do wish you well with this.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:23:09 PM

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did the corner time work? no, I believe the OP stated that much. upon waking up at 7, however..she was made to suck my cock for an hour to get used to the fact that she is here to please me despite her feelings on the task at hand.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:35:47 PM

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Well thank goodness Daddy wasn't awakened by the discord and didn't come barging in.

And good on you, for holding out for an hour.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:39:01 PM

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it's damn near impossible to get me off with oral sex. It's relaxing and I do enjoy it..but it's not gonna make me cum. She has another hour of it when she gets home and then her and I will have a much needed discussion.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:53:05 PM

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upon waking up at 7, however..she was made to suck my cock for an hour to get used to the fact that she is here to please me despite her feelings on the task at hand.

Poor girl.

Teasing.

If that's punishment, i'll take it (with my own Dom, of course...lol).

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 1:56:40 PM

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oh no, that's not a punishment..well, not entirely. it was simply an exercise to prove a point.

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 2:17:48 PM

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Woohoo! I come to the current end of the thread and it has gone to exactly where my initial response was- if you want her to respond in X way, and her natural lifelong response is Y, then you need to train her to do X. Even then, you'll have to know that she's not desiring to X until serious internalization occurs, if ever, simply that she accepts to do X out of obedience to you.

Train does not equal "random attempt out of nowhere and then get pouty when you don't get what you want."

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RE: open for response until 7am est - 11/25/2007 2:44:32 PM

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Woohoo! I come to the current end of the thread and it has gone to exactly where my initial response was- if you want her to respond in X way, and her natural lifelong response is Y, then you need to train her to do X. Even then, you'll have to know that she's not desiring to X until serious internalization occurs, if ever, simply that she accepts to do X out of obedience to you.

Train does not equal "random attempt out of nowhere and then get pouty when you don't get what you want."

LA, the correct response would have been "what simplymichael said"! Doesn't it amaze you with the amount of posts from women about "training" that so very little actual training ever goes on?

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