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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/28/2007 4:12:13 PM   
Politesub53


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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 9:41:40 AM   
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Nothing's as flattering to me as lifestylers in the scene who know what makes someone a good player, can get a good scene for free any time, and come to see me for a professional session anyway. 



Now THAT is very flattering indeed! I know what you mean though, I'm switch and it's a lot of hassle finding someone to sub to - much easier to spend a few quid to get my rocks off (mentally, of course! ;) ) than find someone in the scene and all the hassle that goes with it....

I know what you mean about walking on by - BDSM is particularly diverse, and no matter what aspect of it one chooses, there'll be people who like it, people who don't - and hopefully a sane majority who'll hold a civil tongue either way ;)

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 9:52:43 AM   
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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 7:53:06 PM   
MisPandora


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Ugh.  I've had offers from people who just want to send me gifts and money, no strings attached, and (maybe because I'm not terribly bright) I always turn them down.  I'm into this because I like interaction and I'm curious about people, and a one-way arrangement like that makes no sense to me, even if I were to benefit from it. 

No, you're not 'not bright'...actually the opposite.  You don't care to leave yourself obligated to this stranger. 

When I managed Le Chateau Exotique in PA, I assisted a "santa" male sub (sub used loosely) who was buying gifts over the phone and internet for a bunch of women he'd never met from online.  From experience, folks with a "gifting fetish" are monsters in their own little world who are self-centered all the while appearing that they're doing YOU a favor or giving you something.  While he is generous with his money, he doesn't want to have to do any of the service or actual legwork involved in selecting and delivering on the desired gifts.  He turned into a HUGE problem.  He bites off far more obligation than he can chew, and leaves behind a wake of angry and disappointed people (dominas, business people, etc) because he sets up expectations he can't meet or flakes out -- all because his hardon goes away.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 8:26:23 PM   
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i am finding submissive men are writing me here more and more often simply to insult me and call me a prostitute. wtf? are they just frustrated? are they THAT pathetic? either way, it's irritating, to say the least.


Not to mention bringing up the interesting question of how submissive a guy really is if he accuses a total stranger of being a prostitute even though she is not selling sex. Hahahaha maybe this forum should have a bad slave thread or a slave Wall-O-Shame for alleged subs that send belligerent PM's to potential masters? Just a thought.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 11:19:10 PM   
MisPandora


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Hahahaha maybe this forum should have a bad slave thread or a slave Wall-O-Shame for alleged subs that send belligerent PM's to potential masters? Just a thought.

Nice thought but totally against the terms of service for the site on both accounts.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/29/2007 11:24:49 PM   
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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 12/30/2007 6:57:52 AM   
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Prostitution - the exchange of money for sex, is, as someone pointed out, illegal in most all of the US, but, as someone else pointed out, not so much in the rest of the world.
Escorting, however, is not. There are tens of thousands of escorts in the US. It is a huge international industry and an escort can advertise on any number of easily accessible professional web sites ran by corporations that are in office spaces just like any other legit business.  It is not a dirty secret.

Escorts exchange time for money. Whatever is done with that time is between two (or more) consenting adults. Whether or not they have sex is up to them. The review sites out there are full into the millions with specific and graphic reviews on encounters with escorts but the sites are all covered with a disclaimer of fiction.


How about let's call it therapy? In all reallity, it is indeed stimulation of the MIND and BODY. I would gladly pay any  TRUE professional as I know in my experience, a TRUE Domme/Dom will not only improve your self esteem, worth and the way you value yourself. Afterall, for me, it's not about how much dick or pussy I am made to clean up, it is about the manner and pride in what I am doing to please the person in control of me. This is a sense of accomplishment, and the value in that is worth a few dollars. As you think about it, most of the twits go to the porn store and buy fake whips, blindfolds and crap. Suddenly, they are somebody. Usually that stuff stays in a drawer, mostly hidden away from their spouse/partner wtfe.  "caveat emptor"!
 
Goddess, if you ever need someone to help you set up the oil wrestling ring or clean up afterward, I'm your guy.. lol
Respectfully I am, One2bEnslaved.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/1/2008 6:03:25 PM   
kittiekatt


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Status: offline 		I think they're prostitutes. If You aren't doing what You're doing for the joy of doing it, then why? You're making people pay, for sexual activities. That's a prostitute.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/1/2008 7:26:51 PM   
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I think they're prostitutes. If You aren't doing what You're doing for the joy of doing it, then why? You're making people pay, for sexual activities. That's a prostitute.


Hi there.  Pro domme, standing right here, reading comments by the uninformed about what I/we actually do for a living.  How about we drop all the arguments about job descriptions and whether any of us lie about doing sexual things at work and let's just all call each other hookers, you, me and everyone else.  If you work for a living, get paid for what you do, and aren't putting your very heart, soul and drop of integrity into your work, or even ARE putting every ounce of your being into your work, and you still accept money, you're a whore.  Nice and simple. 

Doesn't that feel good, making everything all nice and crystal clear? Yay for capitalism!

Happy New Year

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/1/2008 7:50:35 PM   
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I think they're prostitutes. If You aren't doing what You're doing for the joy of doing it, then why? You're making people pay, for sexual activities. That's a prostitute.


Well, by your definition of the word prostitute, anyone working for a living and not for the pure joy and love of it, is by definition, a prostitute. The key to why your point is erroneous is that you are assuming that professional Dom's are selling sex, when clearly that isn't the case. Oh, I am not saying none ever do, only that the ones who are strictly acting out a role or playing a part, and not engaging in the sale of sex, are not prostitutes. I can see where people believe they are though, but it is a common misconception in my opinion, not to mention a way to disempower women in general, by classifying this particular activity as prostitution, when it isn't. In fact, I would go further and say that Escorts that are not selling sex are also not prostitutes.

Prostitution, by strict definition, is the sale or sollicitation of sex, period. If a woman is selling her services as an actress, which a Dom in this setting clearly is, how is that prostitution? The same question could apply to escorts.

By the way, on a side note, I personally think that prostitution should not be illegal and it is yet another attempt by a Patriarchal socioeconomic system to strip even this marginal power from women. I have never gone to a prostitute, nor would I. However, to legislate sex, in my honest opinion, is appaling and absurd.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 12:25:47 AM   
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i am finding submissive men are writing me here more and more often simply to insult me and call me a prostitute. wtf? are they just frustrated? are they THAT pathetic? either way, it's irritating, to say the least.



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JordanNYC

I am a PROFESSIONAL DOMINA. I am not here looking to date, I am not here looking to meet people. If you'd like to session with Me, please see,

http://www.labyrinthnyc.com

I do not do online domination, I do not do phone domination. You may make an appointment to session with me in person only.

I am not looking for a personal slave at this time. I thank you for your interest.



Perhaps it is because your profile is an advertisement?

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 10:17:10 AM   
JordanNYC


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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 12:54:01 PM   
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Perhaps it is because your profile is an advertisement?


Funny.  I'd bet the same people have no problem sitting through an advertisement on television for someone to do their income taxes.

People who feel the need to be rude and abusive to professional dommes are simply expressing their lack of common sense and decency.  In this respect they are no different to people who are deliberately rude to nurses, waitresses, hotel staff, or anyone else whose job it is to help people get a basic need met.  Submissive needs are not all that different from hunger, thirst, being cold or tired or hurt:  sometimes something has to be done about them, whether you have a relationship that covers it or not.

Yes, it would be wonderful if you could sleep over at a friend or relative's house when you visit a strange city.  Sometimes, though, you don't know anyone in town, and you need a hotel room so you can just get some damn sleep and a shower.

It would also be nice if all your meals could be lovingly and perfectly prepared by a partner or family member.  Sometimes, though, you go to a restaurant because you just need to eat--or you want something that no one in your house is good at cooking.

By the same token, it would be nice if all your submissive needs could be met within the context of a committed or mutually satisfying D/S relationship.  Sometimes, though, submissives of either sex simply fall victim to the "Dominance Economy"--there are WAY more people who want to submit than there are people who are inclined to dominate. 

The only way that one woman can deal with the submissive needs of more than a few people who need domination is if she is able to support herself and do it professionally.  Once she is able to support herself and do it professionally, she often increases her skill enormously and her services go from being functional to being artistic and refined.  This is how any skilled profession works.

I personally get tired of people being rude and abusive to professional dommes.  It is as insane and ill-mannered as being rude and abusive to a professional chef, an interior designer, a seamstress/corsetmaker, or any other person who is able to do something well enough to make a living at it. 

People need to grow the HELL up, and show some damn respect.  This kind of immature, unsophisticated behavior reflects very poorly at them, and impresses no one.

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 4:57:20 PM   
SalvationIsNear


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Status: offline 		My comment was not intended to be rude.  Some will get it, some will not.  This person asked why others were misinterpreting her.  I gave my perspective.

It is quite clear from her profile she has no interest other than to seek out paying clientele. There are many other outlets in which to advertise professional services.  So you have to screen out the loonies from your free ad – deal with it.

Looking through this post, there were some professionals who responded (not to mention the many other posts they add their insight to).  A core group of professionals giving freely of their knowledge and experience in a community based setting.  If the originator of the post had taken the time, I am sure she would have seen this topic discussed many times in the past.

And then I looked up and saw that I was posting in the “Ask A Mistress” section and thought - now that’s rude…..

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 5:22:10 PM   
oliderid


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Status: offline 		I guess most if not all of them have never met a pro mistress for real. All they know is all these porn web sites where porn actresses take vaguely dominant poses. 
I work profesionnally on the Internet when it involves technical support by email, believe me sometimes things don't fly high either ;-).

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 5:40:03 PM   
BikerWolf


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Status: offline 		I would have to agree that pro dommes definitely don't qualify as prostitutes.Why anyone would pay for domination is beyond me but if men are dumb enough to pay for it there will always be those willing to provide a service in demand.Maybe i'll post a Pro-Dom ad and see if any women will pay?  I think not   

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/2/2008 6:20:17 PM   
VeryCurious07


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so clearly, i'm not a Pro-Domme.


No. Clearly you are a Pro-Domme but not a Pro-stitute. I am not in any way involved in the community, but even to me the difference is obvious. My suggestion is to simply ignore all the idiots. If you are looking for good conversation (in the forums and in emails) and you are also looking for clients, might I suggest that you are not likely to find either from abusive, petulent jerks who most likely resent the fact that they feel they can't have you? Look, it's your "service" and you have the right to charge a fee for it, in the same way an accountant charges for his. I bet that these same idiots pissing all over you in emails (lol no pun intended) would never dream of walking into their local mechanic and verbally abusing them for the $40.00/hour service fee they charge to fix cars.

Oh and yeah I know your response was sarcastic, but I felt it deserved a serious response due to the obvious frustration you were feeling. ;) 

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RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? - 1/3/2008 5:33:17 AM   
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They are just pissed cause they can't get laid...click ignore and move on. They are not worth the time or energy.


Oh and have a great new year

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