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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 8:46:38 AM

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Not a "twue" misspelling?!?! Now that's some funny stuff.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 9:01:51 AM

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Verycurious07,
You wrote this above and I snipped some...

While I agree with the spirit of your post, I don't agree with the idea that one should have perfect spelling and grammar. I believe it is important to have coherent and comprehensible usage of the language, but this is, after all, a message forum, not an institution of higher learning. What I was referring to was not the mis-spelling of a word like abhorrent, but when people type in l33t or completely chaotic gibberish. By the way, if you don't know what l33t is, consider your IQ to be raised 20 points for the blissful ignorance. (It would have been nice of you to tell us right away what it means, so we would have known what you were talking about.)

Look, there's a huge difference between firing off a message board post (we are also talking about emails where many of us use to connect to real people, real time, and the boards are where this person we are interested may be posting, so this is the way we learn what that person thinks, does etc.) ...which is moronic drivel and one with a mis-spell here, an imporoper comma or semicolon there, a few too many adverbs or other common mistakes. My point is that this is a forum for entertainment (Maybe mainly entertainment for you so far since you are new, and don't know if you are submissive or?), for many of us it is the only place we come to to learn about the people we want to eventually meet, or have already met.and community,:

The word community is derived from the Latin communitas (meaning the same), which is in turn derived from communis, which means "common, public, shared by all or many"[1]. Communis comes from a combination of the Latin prefix con- (which means "together") and the word munis (which has to do with performing services, (heehee, I like that!)
).not a NASA or MENSA proving ground with a shit load (Oh, you said shit load. and you are very new to this site? Completely new to the bdsm lifestyle also. Here to learn?...) of pedantic grammar police ready to pounce on your casual post with the fervor of your twelfth grade teacher. ;)

Many of us here are looking for real people, not just online cyber dancing, but people we can relate to, get to know, have serve us in our homes, real life, maybe even marry someone from cm, as several have. So, use of the language is a beautiful and respected thing for many of us. I am certainly not perfect, and do not have spell check on this site, so I pop long posts into a word doc, and spell check, then copy and paste before sending them. I take a word I am not exactly sure of and pop it into a new IE window to get more clarity on the definition, or look up something in particular mentioned here; on the web, so I can expand my own knowledge.
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I have mentioned this before and will again: There are about 89,000 scammers in Nigeria alone. Most of them cannot use idioms, spell worth a shit, use punctuation, or throw a sentence together without making a mess of it. They are a huge waste of time for Dommes, and everyone else. They learn enough from their boiler room buddies to use 'bdsm slut-speak: 'uz mee cumu'.
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The main point I want to express on this thread is: Here on these boards and in our cm emails are real people we want to get to know. Many of us here respect intelligence and attention to detail. I believe in the beauty and tradition of courting. Since this courtship and these connections start online in the form of the written word it is important to communicate well, be somewhat articulate, etc. I want to know that someone can express what they think, feel and desire, otherwise I don't want to waste my time, or theirs.

Life is too short, too fleeting to waste.

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~~~ I ask upfront for your compassionate understanding of any spelling or grammatical errors commited on this post~~~

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 9:24:14 AM

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You had me going for a second. I thought I had typed "twue"!

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 9:30:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

I suspect the condemnation of poor spelling and grammar are due to those who see no excuse for it since computers have spelling/grammar checkers. If one wishes to make a good first impression then perhaps it would be worth while to take a few extra minutes to compose the original email in word, use the spelling/grammar checker then copy and paste it to the recipient.

BINGO!!!!! If they aren't willing to put for the simple effort of using spell check, how in the hell are they going to put forth enough effort to maintain a D/s relationship?

I should have quoted rubber pet, and been done with it...

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:09:54 AM

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just wondering, ladies; i've been posting here on CM in general and the mistress board in particular for a good shake now, while i'm not looking, i was wondering exactly what others here think of my writing style... i know that according to most, it would be horrid; as it is lacking on proper capitalization and punctuation (i also have an attrocious tendency to rely heavily on ellipses)

ok, i know the faults in my presentation; but is it a major issue so long as my points were clear and concise? if i were to be looking for a dominant, do you suppose this lack would be anything more than a minor hindrance or actually a major issue which would need to be immediately rectified?

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:20:25 AM

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BINGO!!!!! If they aren't willing to put for the simple effort of using spell check, how in the hell are they going to put forth enough effort to maintain a D/s relationship?

Bingo, indeed.  It takes a little extra time, effort, and thought to type on Word and copy-and-paste to the Message or Private Mail forms here.

How many of us would write a cover letter for a resume with haste and disregard for the first impression we are creating?   Would anyone honestly expect to get an interview if the cover letter wasn't well-written?

Spelling and grammar, as well as successfully addressing interests and issues in their profile, are important to a large number of Dominas on CM.  Many Dominas have expressed those standards over-and-over in numerous threads.

As the Dominants, they get to make the rules..."write" or wrong.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:40:54 AM

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The fact that I knew what he meant is no excuse. If you don't know how to spell a word, look it up. I cood spel stuf funeticly all day and youd no wut I meen, but it still cums off as ignorant. If you want to use a word you're not sure of, look it up.

Except the OP wasn't written like you state above.

His message was pretty damned clear and well written yet you pointed out one (then later another) spelling error.

That level of picking at spelling and grammar can also annoy a lot of people and may communicate a message you don't want....

Just a thought.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:45:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

just wondering, ladies; i've been posting here on CM in general and the mistress board in particular for a good shake now, while i'm not looking, i was wondering exactly what others here think of my writing style... i know that according to most, it would be horrid; as it is lacking on proper capitalization and punctuation (i also have an attrocious tendency to rely heavily on ellipses)

ok, i know the faults in my presentation; but is it a major issue so long as my points were clear and concise? if i were to be looking for a dominant, do you suppose this lack would be anything more than a minor hindrance or actually a major issue which would need to be immediately rectified?

I believe I understand what you are writing, darchChylde, and you do use some punctuation and paragraphs so I can separate ideas. Hey, at least you are using "i" and some third person terms that always confuse my little mind.

Trust me, compared to a paper I got this past semester your work is crystal clear to me. An 8 page paragraph with little punctuation -- almost anything I try to read on this forum is bloody easier than that!

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:52:28 AM

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Well that solves the question of why I get so many 1 line emails. The mean Dommes have instilled a fear of spelling & grammar errors.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 10:54:16 AM

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I would say it like this:

There are some people who get angry over typos. There are some who do not. There are none who get angry over good grammar.

Therefore, good grammar only increases your chances of meeting someone.

Now, for me, I want to be with someone who does things well. If they tie me up, I want them to check their work, to make sure my weiner isn't going blue, or my left hand isn't left untied. What does shitty grammar tel me about their rope work? Either they rush through things, or they don't care enough to learn anything properly.

Grammar is like showering: Anyone can do it, but those who don't seem to be the ones who get offended that it makes a difference.

Yours,

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:01:53 AM

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Grammar=Intelligence

I noticed alot of reponses from people who equate the two.If the grammar,punction and spelling are poor,the person is illiterate.Give me a break.True some responses are ill conceived and poorly structured,but a little leeway should be exercised.

Has it come some of the people's attention there are brilliant people,but are poor at English.Surprise,surprise. I'm famaliar with a university math professor who admits his weakness,grammar,but he is superb in math.I'm not the greatest in English either,I'm a math nerd,love calculus,but that doesn't make me any smarter or dumber than anyone else.

The condemnation I see is abhorant and all too famaliar.One of my favorite authors is William Faulkner, a great in the literature world.I haven't seen anyone on these posts come close to his mastery of writing, but these same people are the biggest critics of English structure.

I feel that some of the subs should be given a chance to impress and show some of their other fine qualities and strengths.

falccon,

I can only speak for myself. I'm somewhere in between the absolute grammar/spelling-sticklers and those who have never picked up a dictionary. I've accepted misspellings from some people and not from others. But someone pointed out that online, your command of the language is often the only tool you have to attract the attentions of another. For me, it starts off as a first impression thing. I'll relate a story. After some emailing with a certain sub on this site, we arranged for a first meet. I remember taking a bit of care in getting ready. I mean, the usual. Shower, proper grooming, neat, clean clothing, making sure to arrive on time...etc. Only to meet up with someone who looked like he'd just crawled out from under a rock. Honestly, I was insulted. Here I had taken some time and care, not to dress up, it was only coffee, but to make myself presentable and he didn't even have the decency to wear a clean jacket. Yuck. I feel kind of the same way about online profiles and emails and posts. I try my best to present myself the best that I can to others. To present an attractive, poised, confident me. And the hope is that others will recognize that. I'm also looking for individuals who care enough to present themselves in the best light. And I also expect a potential sub to be willing to challenge himself a bit for me. If he's not willing to do that, it means something to me and I don't take it lightly.

Anyway, hope that gives you some food for thought. Be well,

MNN

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:05:09 AM

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I couldn't agree more about the importance of good grammar. If I am talking with someone I know is intelligent and knows better, typos don't bother me in the rush to type an IM. But an initial impression makes all the difference if the mail is full of misspellings, bad usage and otherwise junk. Its the same as wearing nice clothes to an interview, and not. I have no way of knowing the person writing the poorly presented mail, based on how he or she chooses to present themselves to me in such a manner. It is a complete turn off.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:08:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

just wondering, ladies; i've been posting here on CM in general and the mistress board in particular for a good shake now, while i'm not looking, i was wondering exactly what others here think of my writing style... i know that according to most, it would be horrid; as it is lacking on proper capitalization and punctuation (i also have an attrocious tendency to rely heavily on ellipses)

ok, i know the faults in my presentation; but is it a major issue so long as my points were clear and concise? if i were to be looking for a dominant, do you suppose this lack would be anything more than a minor hindrance or actually a major issue which would need to be immediately rectified?

Um...what TammyJo said. And, besides, your gorgeous long hair makes up for a lot!

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:09:00 AM

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More people moan about why people moan about spelling and grammar than actually moan about spelling and grammar. Is it even a question in the real world that gets asked? Sorry you can't pull by cart unless you have passed a written theory test. Sorry I can't tie you up and hang you from the rafters until you have first written me an essay about how it feels to be tied up hanging from the rafters.

I personally think D/s is a load of crap but some think it is about the betterment of a sub therefore why pick one that is perfect in the first place?

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:09:12 AM

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:15:47 AM

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I personally think D/s is a load of crap but some think it is about the betterment of a sub therefore why pick one that is perfect in the first place?

Because grammar is so easy to fix. If they can't fix that on their own, or make up for it with a spell check, then what effort will this person put in when they have a commitment?

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:31:09 AM

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Grammar is like showering: Anyone can do it, but those who don't seem to be the ones who get offended that it makes a difference.

Well said, benji. I made a similar comparison, but not as elegantly.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:36:53 AM

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Because grammar is so easy to fix. If they can't fix that on their own, or make up for it with a spell check, then what effort will this person put in when they have a commitment?

My point was that you only notice such things because of the online environment. So you therefore have to ask yourself if you are missing some really good attributes that people have due to such short sightedness in relation to only seeing writing errors? Would you seriously in real life pass up a female who was attractive, loyal, funny i.e. the qualities we all look for as human beings because you found out she is illiterate?

No sentence should start with a conjunction.

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:37:42 AM

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I personally think D/s is a load of crap but some think it is about the betterment of a sub therefore why pick one that is perfect in the first place?

Because grammar is so easy to fix. If they can't fix that on their own, or make up for it with a spell check, then what effort will this person put in when they have a commitment?

Yours,

benji

I'm sorry, but one thing as little to nothing to do with the other. A hairstyle, color of dress and changing from pencil to pen are all very easy to "fix"; they are also things that dominants may look or ask for and have nothing in actuality to do with commitment.

Commitment to your sports team, commitment to your thursday night boys night out and commitment to the grammatical betterment of one's self are not Ds related until a potential dominant specifies that they are.

The majority of people in committed relationships are likely not too proficient in grammar; i say this because, in my experience, most people are not particularly well-versed in that area. But i'll retract my point if you can provide conclusive evidence that grammar and commitment to a relationship are directly related.

Like i said before, i agree that good grammar is important in an online medium; but except in specific individual circumstances, the supposition that grammar and commitment are related is ludicrous.

*he steps down from his soapbox and tidily brushes it off for the next speaker*

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RE: Why Dommes judge people based on grammar? - 1/2/2008 11:48:08 AM

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I'm gonna say it once and once only...then I'm done with this thread is it has the possibility to irritate me...

This is the internet. Welcome and enjoy. On the internet, and in most other parts of your life, the only thing you have to express yourself, in all your depth(or lack thereof), is words. Have the curtesy to spell check and get your grammar straight. That is unless you consciously choose to spell things incorrectly or use slang. And, if you do so choose, be okay with having someone on your ass about it. After all, if you cannot articulate yourself well enough for your audience to understand you...then what's the point?

Yes, I know I started a scentence with a conjunction...I'm not ashamed of it.

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