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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 1/31/2008 8:15:42 PM

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Now...at the same time, there is a distinct difference between me and the average college kid. I was on my own at 17 with no support from parents.

A lot of kids I went to college with were either not kids (went back as adults who were self supporting like me), or they were completely responsible for their own upkeep. I know there are many who have parents that send them, but that is often not the case... they work their way through....sometimes working a year or two before they go.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 1/31/2008 11:11:31 PM

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Did the OP ever answer John's questions from posts #4 and #46?

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 7:06:03 AM

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Did the OP ever answer John's questions from posts #4 and #46?

Nope. And I was wondering if anyone had noticed. But then, little seems to escape your notice.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 7:09:41 AM

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Did the OP ever answer John's questions from posts #4 and #46?

Nope. And I was wondering if anyone had noticed. But then, little seems to escape your notice.

John

i noticed. i also noticed that OP hasn't really been on the thread either.

not saying that they have to or anything but i did notice, unless they have been and i overlooked it while in seminar or something.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 7:54:07 AM

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Not to my knowledge.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 11:41:19 AM

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His parents made him shut off the computer.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 12:07:13 PM

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His parents made him shut off the computer.

Nope, "She" has replied to a couple of other threads, just not the one she started. Perhaps she didn't get the response she wanted.

That said, there is one other thing that should be brought up regarding the maturity of 21's for entitlement in BDSM. We cannot just talk about the maturity of the middle class 21 year old. There is a great deal of maturity developed at early ages in communities where death by drive by is a consideration on the playground. You mature really quick when death is a constant companion, where gangs and gang violence is something you have to contend with on a daily basis and drughouses abut the home you live in.

Childhood gets snatched away very quickly when you are homeless or a runaway and life on the street can strip away all illusions. The Peace Corp still gets a healthy influx of 18 year olds each year to work in 3rd world countries. You don't come out of that with many illusions left about life either, but you do come out of it knowing yourself and what you are capable of doing.

Maturity can come at any age and in many stages, it doesn't just happen over night. I know 60 year olds who still haven't emerged from childhood, 50 year olds I would trust to take care of a goldfish much less another person or a child and kids as young as 14 who carry the world on their shoulders and don't break beneath the weight. Anyone can learn to swing a whip, bind a body, or do things safely. That is a matter of reading, mentoring, trial, and perserverence.

People mature at different rates, part of it is nature, part nurture, take each of them as they come and discount none until they give you reason to do so. If a 21 yr. old dominant or submissive is not for you, then they are not for you, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Alexiander the Great died at the age of 33 after ruling Macedonia as Regent at age 16, becoming a senior general of the Army at age 18 and by age 25 had conquer Persia. somehow I doubt any would have considered him too immature to hold slaves (which he did). He's not the only such example.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 12:08:41 PM

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Alexander..sigh..pass the coffee please

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/1/2008 1:17:11 PM

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His parents made him shut off the computer.

Oh come on. That's just mean.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/2/2008 9:23:36 AM

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In general, woman and F's are always dominant --- making males chase after them to earn a position of intimacy.

Dominant men just have a different way of expressing their subservience.

Just don't make the mistake of thinking that we all chase girls. It may seem like bizaro world to some, but it does happen the other way around. ;)

Edit: Actually, I'm sorry, but this is one of those "rather questionable" things that I feel like I go far too easy on.

Do you really think that some sadistic Dom who smacks around a woman, has his way with her, then discards her until his next convinience is submissive?

I'd list dozens more examples, but I guess one suits the purpose. Just strikingly closed minded of you to believe one gender is always submissive.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/2/2008 10:07:16 AM

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Keep in mind I don't agree with the theory but my understanding is that he is smacking her because she wants him to, therefore he is serving her.

The same logic gets used to say that most, if not all, women are submissive, they only beat men because the men want it.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/2/2008 10:56:38 AM

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It's alright, I understand his reasoning; it's a common one on either side of the supremacist fence. It just irks me to see someone actually believe in it, unable to comprehend the roles being switched.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/2/2008 3:07:42 PM

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Lolita was a fiction novel. Unless that was sarcasm, I don't understand.

LOLITA was the dominant one in her relationship with HH.

HH would do or would have done anything for her. She had the control. He didn't. He was pretty much her slave.

The point being: maturity is not a condition precedent to sexual, social subservience or dominance.

In general, woman and F's are always dominant --- making males chase after them to earn a position of intimacy.

Dominant men just have a different way of expressing their subservience.

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Sexyred said it well, "Age has nothing to do with desire or even power. It has everything to do with whom you are interacting with and if that power and desire work on THEM."

Alright, that makes so much more sense now! I wasn't try to be snarky, so I hope I didn't come off that way. Thank you (and Sexyred) for explaining.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 1:35:40 AM

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The moment a woman surrenders herself to a man,
The moment that woman becomes a man's property,
That moment makes man into Master.

CelticLord2112 very good point indeed...we as submissives have the choice to submit to whom ever captures our hearts..if that means the Master is 21 or 100...if we feel they are the right One for us,if everything is in place that needs to be for a positive, loving relationship between Dominate and submissive.then why does age matter? If it works for that couple then let it be..What works for some, may not work for others..but as long as they are happy then that's what really matters....

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 7:00:15 AM

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Another question just for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate. Why do I need to be taken seriously?

Ahhh... somebody who gets it.

The constant demand for 'Twueness' on these boards and elsewhere is just a keyboard commando game.

(Having admittedly not read the entire gasping monstrosity of a thread...)

God forbid I ever be taken any more seriously than I take myself at that particular moment. If anyone wants to look down on me because I can toss dignity out the window and waddle around squawking like a penguin because Kitten's had a hard day and it makes her giggle... go right ahead. It makes her smile, and that means more to me than the opinions of some e-people that I'll never have to worry about ignoring, anyway.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 8:20:28 AM

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This... this is why I serve you Sir.

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 11:08:05 AM

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The problem of one so young to be a "Master" is one of definition. So how do you define a Master? It's the same thing in Martial Arts. How can a 6,7, 8, 9, 10 (get the point) be a black belt? There is perception and there is reality (god this reply feature should have spell check). I will tell you that experience is the only measure when defining anything. Whether it's personal, professional, spirtual or whatever al - experience is key. So I don't think I answered your question directly (I should be in politics) but there might be some logic above (or not).

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 7:27:01 PM

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At 21 there is absolutely no way someone with an ordinary western life experience can be a powerful, centred, reliable, knowledgeable, safe, sensible, stable dominant. Or adult, for that matter.

But guess what? The subbies they'll play with are equally inexperienced in life.

At 12 you can be blown away by your date holding your hand, right? And for a woman of 18, a 25 y.o. guy is "an Older Man".

My point is that the D/s experience can be as intense at 12, 22, 32, 42,... it depends on the pairing involved.

Now I would have no more to do with a 21 y.o. subby than I would a 21 y.o. vanilla. In both cases their life experience is simply too shallow and too narrow to maintain a sensible conversation. And they're busy being amazed and excited about a bunch of very mundane things. It's no reflection on them - a different stage of life, a different set of needs. Been there, done that. Had my share of indulgent smiles - and yawns.

There are some legal jurisdictions in which he "age of consent" varies according to the ages of the participants. If the age difference is 2 years or less (in Sweden, from memory - could be wrong) a couple are "legal" as long as both are pubescent. So a 14 y.o. and 16 y.o. can have intercourse without the 16 y.o. (16 is legal in my country, Australia) being charged with a criminal offense. But a 15 y.o. and 18 y.o... the 18 y.o. had better be careful.

Much the same thinking should apply - what is the gap between the people involved?

So a 21 y.o. dominant can be powerful and WOW - for someone at the right level of subby development and need. Good luck to them both - may they live long and prosper!

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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 7:47:26 PM

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This is off topic but not a hi-jack. But for those who use black belts as an example, even after you achieve that status you are constantly learning thereafter, it is not an immediate thing. And it is because these kids put time, dedication, devotion, and love into being the best at that. That's all...
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RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? - 2/4/2008 7:56:17 PM

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No. its because their parents have paid off the finance company and the school can't sell the 'Junior Grandmaster' contract package until they promote the kid to Master.

Still a good comparison when you look at how many older martial arts 'Masters' have no control over their ego, their students, or their craft.

Read Glenn Morris' little treatise on the sad state of affairs in that community.

http://www.amazon.com/Martial-Arts-Madness-Light-Esoteric/dp/1883319773

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