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Waaaay off topic about Zanthia's hair - 7/26/2004 4:12:23 PM

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Mmmmmm...red hair

In case anyone is wondering how I could be so insulting, that based on Homer Simpson and I'm saying Zanthia's red hair makes my knees knock.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/27/2004 6:25:53 PM

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Reading and skimming along and I started to wonder... Have you ever heard of a female sub who thought there should be no penetration? I don't think it would even be a taboo sort of thing on that side. This just seems to be another twist on the double standard.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/27/2004 7:23:06 PM

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LadyAngelika,

Although i am an inexperienced sub, i would like to give my two cents or even less. It is the duty of the sub to provide enjoyment and pleasure to his Domme in any manner she wishes. So, if a Domme wishes that her sub pleasure her by having sex with her, even if he is on top, it does not take away her control, as he must adjust his pace and style to her commands. Just as a Domme who has her sub chauffeur her around does not lose control by letting him drive the car, she would still be in command even if she orders her sub to penetrate her.

The sub is hers; her pleasure is his joy and light. The sub exists for the Domme's pleasure and every body part he has can be devoted to her pleasure, in any way She desires. That the Domme loses control if she orders her sub to penetrate her seems to be merely a notion left over from a male-dominated way of thought. If i may, i would venture to say that no true sub will ever think that he has control even if his Domme wished to fellate him, and he will only feel all the more joy for having provided her another pleasure.

If the Domme has any doubts about the sub's attitude, my i respectfully suggest a few ways for her to firmly reinforce her control in his wavering mind.

Order him to give her cunnilingus or even anilingus before she orders him to penetrate her.

Order him to take a golden shower before he provides penetration service to his Domme.

Insert a butt-plug in the sub and have him retain it while he serves her by penetrating Her, provided he can retain an erection with a butt-plug.

Use a strap-on on the sub before he serves her. Or perhaps, whip, spank, cane etc. as may be suitable.

Repeat any of these after he has finished serving her, to further emphasise her command.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/27/2004 11:24:54 PM

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Very well put, boytoi, and something I think a lot of people dont realize.

While to an outside observer, a woman lying on her stomach being anally violated
is a "submissive position," to my way of thinking if she has ordered her partner to
do that to her a certain way and his compliance is to do it, I dont see him as being
the dominant person in the scenario.

For me, their relationship exists between the two of them, and if I was a fly on the
wall I would not consider it my place to judge.

Sinergy

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/28/2004 9:31:31 AM

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quote:

Reading and skimming along and I started to wonder... Have you ever heard of a female sub who thought there should be no penetration? I don't think it would even be a taboo sort of thing on that side. This just seems to be another twist on the double standard.

I have heard of it in a number of scenarios;

1. She is a virgin and is saving her virginity for marriage
2. She is married and 'that hole' is reserved for hubby's use only
3. She belongs to another dom and 'that hole' is reserved for his use only
4. She just doesnt want penetration and has negotiated as such

I am sure there are many more situations, but these are the ones I have personally run into/heard of

Apply usual caveats here

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/28/2004 4:31:37 PM

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Not having female subs I have nothing to add except that I think Thantosian gave a very good listing of possible reasons I never even thought of. (This is not a me too, this is a kudos.)

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/29/2004 12:14:34 AM

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1. She is a virgin and is saving her virginity for marriage
2. She is married and 'that hole' is reserved for hubby's use only
3. She belongs to another dom and 'that hole' is reserved for his use only
4. She just doesnt want penetration and has negotiated as such

5. One of them has an STD.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 7/29/2004 6:09:50 AM

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Thank you proud - being D/D free I tend to forget about those

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/1/2004 1:58:25 PM

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There's also the third-party solution: bringing in another male to accomplish what the sub isn't capable of. Horny men willing to penetrate women are a dime a dozen, and one personal ad (or night in at a club) will supply you with more than enough candidates for the job. Maybe the sub is tied and gagged in the corner and forced to watch. Maybe he's assigned warm-up duties for his Mistress or her lover. Maybe her lover gets to practice on her sub first.

Depending on your relationship, sexual orientations, and headspaces this could be either very hot or very toxic. This sub, though, would be happy to see his Mistress -- if he had one :( -- receiving pleasure, and wouldn't expect to be able to protest the presence of another man.

That's not an option in all relationships, though.

I am in agreement with the some of the previous posts -- orders are orders, and one can be submissive while fucking -- even doggy-style. Immobilization, tit and ball clamps, verbal humiliation and promises of punishment for failing to please might help reinforce my submission and remind me of my place.

Or, maybe set an egg timer for 20 minutes and give the sub detailed instructions on what he's to accomplish before the timer runs out. Something like,
"Fuck me like an animal and make sure I have at least one orgasm. You are (are/are not) (allowed/required) to cum. You are to call upon all your internal resources and try to convince me that you are actually a man and not a pathetic little dildo. We both know that this will be nothing but an Oscar-worthy performance for you, and as soon as the timer sounds you stop acting and assume a submissive position on the floor. You will immediately be graded on your performance and I will administer punishment or reward."

Just an idea...

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/1/2004 7:13:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: subman29
Just an idea...

Thanks for yet another idea.

I've actually been talking about this early on in my discussions with potentials and I find their reaction to the topic has been very telling.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/2/2004 7:38:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Thanks for yet another idea.

I've actually been talking about this early on in my discussions with potentials and I find their reaction to the topic has been very telling.

Yes? What sort of reactions have you been getting?

I just re-read my post and can see that the speech might be a prescription for terrified loss of erection in many subs. Maybe explain the game earlier in the session, and first give him a good spanking or whatever else might get him hot and bothered before starting the timer.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/2/2004 10:12:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: subman29
I've actually been talking about this early on in my discussions with potentials and I find their reaction to the topic has been very telling.

Yes? What sort of reactions have you been getting?

Well I've realised that most of the men who get uncomfortable with the idea of penetrating their Domme where not allowed to do it with another Domme they had a significant relationship with. Which brings me to the idea of unlearning behaviours...

I feel another thread coming on in General BDSM....

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/2/2004 12:36:15 PM

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Ma'am,
When i submit to Your will, and Your will is to have me in You, for me to refuse, or even withdraw from that service would be disrespectful. Submission is meeting and hopefully exceeding the Domme's (or Dom's) needs, desires, whims and expectations. to offer less belies submission.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/3/2004 10:26:26 AM

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6)Poor body image, being afraid if the sub saw the Domme naked, he might be turned off sexually.

I have psorisis and I get around this body image problem by blindfolding the sub before I get naked.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/3/2004 11:13:15 AM

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How interesting, Shoshin! I always enjoyed blindfold play, but used it more following a surgery that left a rather unsightly (at least to me!) scar, that left me feeling a bit self conscious. However once I got ahold of that "control rush" I actually forgot about the reason, lol. And also noticed that my sub was enjoying feeling "more" submissive as well. Oh yeah, that was slightly off topic.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/3/2004 11:40:15 AM

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Yes, as a submissive slave and sub, i have been trained and conditioned to believe that i should no longer ever be permitted the pleasure of sexual intercourse with a Woman. i have been conditioned to believe this for a number of reasons, first this would be a form of dominating Her, i am a sub and subs are dominated, second my puny penis 5" would never fully please Her, third as a sub male, sissy male, i should learn to accept that although i have a penis, it is really not a cock and should never be referred as such because it is too small. It is nothing more than where pee comes out and cum comes out. To further reinforce this, i have forbidden to masturbate anymore. The act of male masturbation is not only gross but when i ejaculate i become less submissive and attentive. i am only permitted sexual release via prostate massage either with by my Mistress's hand or her strapon. Prostate massaging not only being very humiliating, denies me the pleasure of penile stimulation, ejaculation and further emasculates me.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/3/2004 11:43:04 AM

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Yes, as a submissive slave and sub, i have been trained and conditioned to believe that i should no longer ever be permitted the pleasure of sexual intercourse with a Woman. i have been conditioned to believe this for a number of reasons, first this would be a form of dominating Her, i am a sub and subs are dominated, second my puny penis 5" would never fully please Her, third as a sub male, sissy male, i should learn to accept that although i have a penis, it is really not a cock and should never be referred as such because it is too small. It is nothing more than where pee comes out and cum comes out. To further reinforce this, i have forbidden to masturbate anymore. The act of male masturbation is not only gross but when i ejaculate i become less submissive and attentive. i am only permitted sexual release via prostate massage either with by my Mistress's hand or her strapon. Prostate massaging not only being very humiliating, denies me the pleasure of penile stimulation, ejaculation and further emasculates me.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/4/2004 1:51:45 PM

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Ma'am,
my apologies for shallow subs, i know that we exist. it would be a great honor to cream(legit, therapeutic stuff) a Domme's skin, and my pleasure to take in the differences that make You uniquely You, and shame on me if i don't honor You completely. Again, just my opinion. for what it is worth.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/4/2004 2:00:22 PM

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my pleasure to take in the differences that make You uniquely You, and shame on me if i don't honor You completely.

Lovely.

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RE: Dommes & penetration - 8/21/2004 11:28:26 AM

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I prefer not tohave any choice...thats a up to her and only her.

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