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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 7/29/2008 7:46:51 AM   
darkangelslave


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i practicaly have no limits i have always been sub in the bedroom then i met my master and i knew instantly what my life was missing i born to be a slave,to be honest my master noticed very quickly i would deliberitely play up just to get punished i have no pain threshhold it just realy turns me on, but my master also beleives there is no such word as cant,and has proved with many things that a slave can be trained to do anything her master desires!

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 7/29/2008 7:51:02 AM   
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Do what you need to make it work.

Some people rely on a top to be perceptive enough to see when things go wrong.

Some people cannot even manage to USE a safeword in scene-read above.

And some people like to feel powerless-and want no control.

Or any combination of the above.

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 7/29/2008 8:01:10 PM   
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Hello, my Master and I don't use one. He sometimes gives them to someone He is training for someone else because He doesn't know that person as well as He knows me. With me, if there is a problem, I simply tell Him. If something is reaching my threshold, I don't have any negotiation. It is up to Him to determine when to stop and He does that based on what He knows of me. I don't think safe words and slavery are mutually exclusive. We don't choose to use them in our relationship, but we are 24/7 and know each other very well, and we use other means of communicating. There are probably situations in which Master would give me a safeword- like if we were interacting with another Dominant perhaps. But even then, my Master would be in charge of the situation, so maybe not. I definitely think that when someone has a health issue, such as yourself, having some sign or word is a very good idea!

Well, hope I didn't ramble too much there ;) anna, slave of Master Aramis Duval

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RE: Punishment (was safewords) - 7/29/2008 8:08:18 PM   
MasterAramis


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Just curious about something you wrote that I have been thinking about for some months.
You wrote: "I would deliberately play up just to get punished I have no pain threshold it just really turns me on"

So in that case, was it really punishment or was it reward for your behavior?

anna, slave of Master Aramis Duval

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RE: Punishment (was safewords) - 7/30/2008 12:44:55 AM   
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Although i think safeword is necessary for just in case, i was never given opportunity to use one. In my first relationship it was needless because of the nature of play. In the second one She always knew the good measure and in the beginning She was telling me what will be done and how before it happens. Later it was just trust.

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/1/2008 3:28:04 AM   
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I feel that even in slave play, safewords like "yellow" can be used to let the Dom/me know that they have taken  you way out of their comfort zone, but it is their decision whether or not that is where they want you to be. Anyone can get carried away and forget their own strength. I think it's good for a slave to keep their Master informed, to insure that they both get the desired effect.

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/3/2008 1:39:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: underhisthumb

I am curious as to the opinion of those here who are slaves.  Do you use a safeword with your Master/Mistress?  Or do you feel because you are a slave, safewords are not a necessity?  Im mainly referring, of course to scening.

Master and I use one, and for several reasons.  The foremost is my Diabetes, because sometimes, especially during extended scening, my blood sugar can drop.  But it is also there because even as a self confessed pain slut, even I have limits, and for us, the BDSM element is not as essential as the D/s side of our relationship.

Just curious to see what others' arrangements are. . . I had a Domme I was talking to in chat tell me "real slaves" don't use safewords and it sparked a whole debate in the chatroom, as well as between myself and some of my slave and sub friends.


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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/3/2008 2:04:59 PM   
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No I don't use safe words. I feel that If my life is in danger she will know, and I really trust her judgmenteIf I end up in the E.R., so what, a few stitches is simply a reminder of a wonderful time. 

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/3/2008 4:03:24 PM   
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my Master uses the traffic light system and if i am gagged, a hand signal. It has been a year now, with me first as His sub, then His slave.

In that time, i have never called 'red', and 'yellow' sparingly. The words are never used for trivial purposes. i am one of those who tends to not use the words when i should.

i am one of those that goes pretty non-verbal when in sub-space... i have to concentrate to form words at all.

A few weeks ago, i used 'yellow' twice in one night.  The first time, i was suspended using new suspension cuffs and i could feel one hand going numb.  Having gotten His attention by calling 'yellow', i just had to wiggle the hand to get my point across and He adjusted things.

Later, that night, my wrists were tied and the same thing happened (another Dominant was playing with me) but i was gagged. i used the hand signal and was able to get my point across.

For me, the safeword is not because i don't trust my Master.  i would not be with Him if i didn't. Rather, it is a method of communication that works for us.  i adore my Master, but i do not expect Him to be omniscient nor a mind-reader. 

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/3/2008 8:54:13 PM   
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There has been a lot of really BAD INFORMATION posted in this thread.

Sorry to shout, but this is a long thread, and it frankly scared me how ignorant some of the people were.  I can easily see a beginner getting serious screwed up because they followed the advice that is predominant on this thread.   I disagree with it strongly, and must clarify.

The definition of "safe word" is: 'a means of communication to tell the dominant that the sub is no longer consenting.'  That is the definition of all safe words.  There are subtypes, which some of you are confusing as the only meaning, but that is the real definition of the phrase.  "No" is a safeword.  "Low blood sugar" is a safe word.  "That's a bit much" is a safe word.  "If you do that again, I'm calling the cops" is a safeword.     Please note that using this definition, if you truly do not use a safeword, you are committing a crime.   This web site is mostly used by law abiding, safeword using people, even if they don't know it.   Most of you that claim you are not using a safeword appear to actually be using one, no matter how strongly you deny it. 

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So, why do so many of you think a safeword is a bad thing?  Mainly because you are confusing the three special sub-categories of safewords with all safewords, and are not doing the specific kind of BDSM that those categories were designed for.  Using them is kind of like puting a hand cuff key in your toy bag even though you don't have a set of handcuffs.   It looks pretty stupid for YOU, but to someone that uses hand cuffs, it is an essential tool.

Special sub-category one:  non-submissive Masochist play.  I call this type "Red/Yellow/Green".  This is actually pretty common.  Lots of people like sensation/play, but don't particularly feel the need to bow down to a dominant.  They want someone to carefully do what they tell them to, not use them however the dominant wants.

Hence the Red-Yellow-Green safeword system.  Red means stop, Yellow means slow,  Green means full speed ahead.  Using this system, the bottom is in control of the scene.

If you are not a masochist that dislikes submission, then chances are, you will not be very interested in this type of safe word. But if you like pain, but dislike obeying, this sounds pretty good to you.

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The second type is what I call "Rosebud".  It is a special word that you won't normally use, but you should easily remember it.  It should ALWAYS be chosen by the sub, and it should ALWAYS be something the sub will remember, usually something from their childhood.  Having the dom say "supercalifragilistic" is an obnoxious parody that exactly reverses the intent of it. 

Why do you do this?  ROLE PLAYING   A lot of people don't do this.  But if you want to play rape, then the rape victim needs to be able to say "NO"  and pretty much anything else without stopping the action.   But when a real problem develops (like say a flashback on when her father actually raped her but that she 'forgot' to tell the dominant about), the sub needs a way to stop the action.   If you do non-consent roleplay, Rosebud is essential, particularly if you are playing for the first time.

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The last type is the dropped object.  I use a cat toy with a bell inside.  Why do I do this?

Because my sub can't always communicate.  

The cat toy trick is for someone that is bound and gagged.   If she develops an issue, there is no way for her to tell me.  Yes, I will pay attention to her body, including her eyes, but guess what, some women like to close their eyes and it can take a minute for me to realize that she is not in sub space, but is in fact having problems.  Better to know right away when she drops the cat toy.   I am not a doctor, I can't tell the difference between sub-space and anything from low blood sugar, a heart attack, to a panic attack.  If it takes me a minute to figure out something is wrong, that could be real damage.  Even if it's not, it could simply turn a  pleasant scene very unpleasant. 

While many people will never have a medical emergency, almost everyone will have a bad scene some day.  I have had a cat toy save a scene twice, preventing a bad bruise and a panic attack.

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End result:  No, STOP, etc. are all safe words.   The weirder ones (Red/Yellow/Green, Rosebud, cat toy) are for specific kinds of  play.  If you do that kind of play, you need them.  If you are experienced, I'm not going to tell you what to do.  But if you are a beginner, turned on by being bound and gagged you really should use the cat toy or similar thing.  If you are a beginner who likes pain but not submission, Red/Yellow/Green makes a lot of sense.  If you are a beginner roleplaying non-consenting sex, then the Rosebud is an essential safety tip that you should insist on.

If you don't do those types of play, you don't need them.  You also have no business denigrating an essential safety tool for a kind of sex that you don't do.  It's sort of like a lesbian telling a man "I can't believe you use a condom, how lame."


< Message edited by StrongSpirit -- 8/3/2008 9:17:31 PM >

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/4/2008 1:30:33 AM   
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I am a "slave" and do use a safeword.  Me and my Master discussed it and decided it would be best.  I like having a safeword because, well, it makes me feel safe.  I do trust my Master, but he likes to push my boundries and he believes i need to know when he has pushed too far and to stop him slightly before it goes completely too far, making sure to push myself a certain way to stretch my limits little by little.

Hope this helped :)
~slave athena~

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/9/2008 7:29:45 AM   
MasterAramis


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quote:

Sorry to shout, but this is a long thread, and it frankly scared me how ignorant some of the people were.


This is Aramis Duval. My slave was using my profile prior to me allowing her to set up her own profile.

I am not quite sure you understand the dynamic of a Master and slave, I don't think so, as the term "play" is never used in anything we do and you use it frequently, not only here, but in your profile heading. Perhaps my slave should not have posted in a "play area" or address a "play question" if this indeed was that. Anyone who identifies as a slave is on a different plane than those who "play" so there is a lot more that goes into it, that people who "play" at it don't understand. I am not saying anything negative regarding those who play, to each their own. What I am saying is that someone who doesn't understand the M/s dynamic cannot speak for those that do.

Let the flaming begin!

Aramis Duval

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RE: Slaves and Safewords - 8/9/2008 7:40:31 AM   
MasterAramis


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quote:

I am a "slave" and do use a safeword.


Please no disrespect intended, but do you really know what you are? Are you a slave, a submissive or are you Domme? Here is the quote from your profile:

quote:

I am a submissive, who leans towards being treated as a slave. I have been Dom on occasions, but am a submissive at heart.


All this indecisiveness would lend me to believe you don't really know who you are yet. It makes sense since you are so young. I do applaud your desire to learn about slavery, but you should not identify as it until you are certain you are one, because there is so much that goes into being a slave as well as a Master of one.

Sincerely and good luck in your journey,

Aramis Duval

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