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Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 1:32:45 PM   
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I need help...I'm so scared.

The story: I have an inability to set healthy boundaries with others. So I kept in contact with anyone I'd ever been in a relationship with. My Master had me sever those connections for my own mental health. And I did so. One of those whom I blocked contact with managed to contact me again, and kept doing so. My Master asked me why I hadn't told her to leave me alone. I had said that it was because he'd told me not to talk to them. He said I should have asked what to do. And I was punished for not doing so.
Now, months later, one of those relationships that I blocked contact with a long time ago contacted me again on the 4th with a new screen name. I knew contact was forbidden, but my Master wasn't answering texts or the phone so I couldn't ask. I went with my best judgement. I told the boy I was sorry, but no longer speaking with him was for the best. That it hurt, but I had done what my Master had told me, because I trusted him, and he was showing me how to live. The boy swore and complained about my Master and wanted me to unblock him. I told him no, that it would be violating my Master's trust in me. He told me I was stupid and logged off.
I was very proud about how I handled myself. I had told him to leave me alone, and ensured he would no longer contact me. I had told him that my Master meant so much to me and by saying what I had about doing what my Master told me, I'd shown that I trust in my Master.
That night I talked on the phone with my Master, as usual. We had a short, pleasant conversation, and I did not bring up the chat because I was afraid of how he'd react to it, and I didn't want to potentially ruin the nice conversation we'd had. The next night was an even shorter conversation as my Master was very tired. This morning I sent him the chat transcript, in full. I told him I hoped he was proud of me for how I handled myself, for how I made the boy go away.
He wasn't. Not remotely.
In fact, he's very very very very very angry with me. He says that I disobeyed him by talking with the boy in the first place. Says I should have just blocked him. (boundaries issue.) Says I shouldn't have apologized for hurting the boy's feelings. Says I shouldn't have made it seem as if my Master and I were divided on the issue of me cutting off contact (even though we had been) because it makes my Master look badly. And that I should have stood up for him when the boy was bitching about him.
I honestly thought I'd done something right...done something that he'd be proud of because of what had happened the last time...when he had told me I should have told them to leave me alone.
My Master lives in another state. He is making plans to come up to me next week to punish me. He's told me he's going to punish me by beating me with his belt and cutting off all of my hair. (he knows I have post traumatic stress disorder related to being beaten. he also knows that I was teased my entire life and laughed at, and cutting off my hair will make me stick out, a target for negative attention, and cause people to tease and laugh at me again. Both of which, he knows, I psychologically can't handle.) I have explained myself to him as best as I can. I even explained my confusion. It didn't make a difference.
This is where I'm desperate for help. I realize that this isn't a little deal, but does it really warrant the punishment he's going to give me? That punishment is going to make me afraid of any sort of touch from anyone...I will physically recoil. It's happened before. And to deal with the trauma of being made fun of for my appearance...again...I wouldn't be able to deal with being out in public. I have very little self-confidence as is...I'd have none whatsoever. I'd completely lose my personality.
I'm knowledgeable about the Lifestyle, but I am a slave who seriously lacks experience. This is the first time I've been involved in a Lifestyle relationship of this caliber, a relationship that truly is what a Lifestyle relationship is meant to be. But I don't know what to expect.
I'm terrified. He says my choice is face the punishments or leave. We aren't just a M/s relationship, we're also a couple. I love him...I'm unwaveringly devoted to him. And I'm trying so very very very hard to please him. I feel like the child that was trying to make his mommy proud by pouring her a bowl of cereal for breakfast...but ends up making a mess and shattering the bowl. I only ever had the best of intentions.
What am I to do? I'm so afraid...it's really hard for me to trust people...I don't even trust myself...and I'm trying to trust that he knows and understands my limits...but I don't think he'd consider it punishment to beat me three times with the belt and cut off an inch of my hair.
Please help me...I need someone who understands to give their opinion, their advice...please...


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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 1:41:22 PM   
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Hi, Nani----
Wiping everything else away, a Master who would choose to exploit yourPTSD as a form of punishment is NOT, let me repeat: NOT showing good stewardship of that which is his charge (you) and has NO concern for your mental health. 
Just going on what's here (I know I don't have the full picture) but my inclination is to RUN, don't walk, away from this "Master".  If he's goingto exploit your serious mental health issues, he's no master at all, he's an abuser and one of these things is NOT the other.  I'd go so far as to tell him you've decided to end the relationship, do not see him, and get to a kink-friendly counselor IMMEDIATELY. 
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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 1:58:28 PM   
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While I do agree you did sound as if you were excusing yourself and blaming your master on why you could not talk to people and therefore making yourself look controlled, in disagreement and helpless, while you proved how good you were by doing what you were told even if you didn't agree, your master is over reacting and could pose danger to your emotional health. I don't see what you did as productive or being a good submissive.  I think you are getting caught up in being a good girl and proving that and yet are defeating yourself.  If your master said not to talk to anyone and you agreed to that, you should not have talked to the guy even if it meant he had to wait for an answer for a year.

The punishment your master is far overboard as far as I am concerned.

I think if you are having problems, finding some good counsel would be helpful.  You have said you have some issues and a master isn't the end all to dealing with them and clearly if you are allowing someone to punish you this harshly even for disobeying and have boundary issues... you might need to step back and see if there are other things that are manifesting for different reasons.  While I might use some form of correction in this situation, to be so harsh when there is clearly some emotional element to it all that needs attention... I feel it is just wrong.  If you let him do this to you... I feel you will have more serious issues coming.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:04:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HisNani
One of those whom I blocked contact with managed to contact me again, and kept doing so. My Master asked me why I hadn't told her to leave me alone. I had said that it was because he'd told me not to talk to them. He said I should have asked what to do. And I was punished for not doing so.
Now, months later, one of those relationships that I blocked contact with a long time ago contacted me again

 
I knew contact was forbidden, but my Master wasn't answering texts or the phone so I couldn't ask. I went with my best judgement. I told the boy I was sorry, but no longer speaking with him was for the best.
 
I had told him to leave me alone, and ensured he would no longer contact me. I had told him that my Master meant so much to me and by saying what I had about doing what my Master told me, I'd shown that I trust in my Master.

That night I talked on the phone with my Master, as usual.

I did not bring up the chat because I was afraid of how he'd react to it,
 
This morning I sent him the chat transcript, in full. I told him I hoped he was proud of me for how I handled myself, for how I made the boy go away.
He wasn't. Not remotely.

He says that I disobeyed him by talking with the boy in the first place. Says I should have just blocked him. (boundaries issue.) Says I shouldn't have apologized for hurting the boy's feelings. Says I shouldn't have made it seem as if my Master and I were divided on the issue of me cutting off contact (even though we had been) because it makes my Master look badly. And that I should have stood up for him when the boy was bitching about him.
I honestly thought I'd done something right...done something that he'd be proud of because of what had happened the last time...when he had told me I should have told them to leave me alone.
My Master lives in another state. He is making plans to come up to me next week to punish me. He's told me he's going to punish me by beating me with his belt and cutting off all of my hair. (he knows I have post traumatic stress disorder related to being beaten. he also knows that I was teased my entire life and laughed at, and cutting off my hair will make me stick out, a target for negative attention, and cause people to tease and laugh at me again. Both of which, he knows, I psychologically can't handle.) I have explained myself to him as best as I can. I even explained my confusion. It didn't make a difference.

He says my choice is face the punishments or leave. We aren't just a M/s relationship, we're also a couple. I love him...I'm unwaveringly devoted to him. And I'm trying so very very very hard to please him.


As I understand the situation, you have three main issues you must address.  First, you have difficulty setting healthy boundaries for yourself.  Second, you claim to love and be devoted to your master, yet you do not genuinely trust him.  Third, you have a master who is inconsistent and quite likely abusive.
 
I encourage you to reread the parts of your post I've quoted, particularly the highlighted portions.  As you have presented the situation, your master's instructions are inconsistent.  You can't communicate with someone to tell him/her to leave you alone and have no contact with that individual.  If your master's intent was for you to send a single message stating that you are not permitted contact with Person X and then block the person from contacting you again, your master did not communicate that effectively.  That's his responsibility.
 
However, you also say that you knew he was not going to react well to the news that you'd had contact with someone, and waited two days to tell him.  The fact that you were afraid to speak to your master about the situation says a great deal.  You should never be afraid to communicate openly with your master.  If you are, then this is not a healthy situation for you.
 
Your master now says that he is going to punish you by means of two things he knows will be emotionally and psychologically traumatic for you.  That, more than anything else, indicates that this relationship has become unhealthy.  As difficult as I know it will be for you, I strongly encourage you to end the relationship.  If you don't already see a mental health professional, it's my opinion that you should.  You need to learn to set healthy boundaries for yourself, as defined by you, not someone else.  You also need to work on your self-esteem issues and PTSD.  Until you have coped with those issues, I think it's in your best interests to put any sort of romantic relationship, BDSM or otherwise, on hold.
 
If your master is the right one for you, he will understand your need to seek some counseling and will wait for you.  However, from what you've described, I suspect he will not be willing to do that.  In that case, I believe you should put him on your list of people who are blocked from contacting you.  There are other dominants who would be more than willing to work with you and respect your emotional boundaries.  If he isn't you'll know he's not the one for you, no matter how much you love him.


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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:05:45 PM   
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You also need to set healthy boundaries with him. Someone who deliberately breaks hard limits knowing it will cause a recurrence of mental illness is not someone to be trusted. Tell him that since you can't trust him not to do major harm, you don't want him to visit. Tell him that you are withdrawing consent, and withdrawing your submission because of what he's planning.

I've had that exact same scenario, with me not wanting to hurt someone else's feelings and him not wanting me to talk to the man. His response was to write to the other man himself, not letting me read his response because it was rude and he knew I would be upset for no reason if I read it. He chose to end the contact while deepening my trust in him, yours appears to be destroying your trust in him. He doesn't deserve your devotion.

Are you in therapy? If so, go see your therapist and tell her all of this. If you haven't told her that you're in a power relationship you need to do so. And she needs to meet him and approve of him. Mine does, she sees that I'm happier and stronger in this relationship than I was before and that he's good for me.

If you aren't in therapy at this time I urge you to do so. One on one, group or even a self help group such as ACOA.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:07:31 PM   
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Great post SylvereApLeanan!

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:14:28 PM   
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you have already been given some good advise here. I will not repeat what has already been said except to add that you should heed it.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:17:09 PM   
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Thanks, Lockit.  I hope it helps this young lady.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:17:24 PM   
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quote:

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you have already been given some good advise here. I will not repeat what has already been said except to add that you should heed it.

very much agree with you, Sci.


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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:17:41 PM   
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In my opinion, a good master isn't one that wants to deliberately break their toys.  He's not looking out for your best interests, using your behavioral health history to punish you is beyond not okay.  My advice would be to block his ass.  And run.  Get therapy.  Get better. 

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:24:23 PM   
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What I see from part of the post is that the master is enforcing things because his image in a sense has been insulted.  His power... his control.. his wishes.  What about the needs of his submissive?  I don't think he is thinking and a dominant not thinking or intune to the needs... all sorts of needs of their submissive can be harmful.  That should be a boundary.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:25:49 PM   
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First of all, has he previously behaved in a way that would lead you to believe that he will follow through with this punishment? If so, you definitely have room for concern. In this case, I agree with the others.
 
It seems as though he knows you well; well enough to know the damage that will be done and he doesn't appear to care. The question becomes this, why are you with him? You must know that a person that could do as he has threatened, with such contempt, does not love you? If you are in so much fear that you felt the need to post here, then you already know there is a problem. I think you know that his threat is unreasonable, else you would not ask. You can either stay and face the music or do what most of us would do in your position, "get out!"

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:32:45 PM   
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quote:

We had a short, pleasant conversation, and I did not bring up the chat because I was afraid of how he'd react to it, and I didn't want to potentially ruin the nice conversation we'd had.

This reads like a classic abusive relationship.

He's giving you the choice to leave. Take it, and go. Quickly.

Then block HIM and make sure HE never contacts you again.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:33:02 PM   
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quote:

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I need help...I'm so scared.

The story: I have an inability to set healthy boundaries with others. So I kept in contact with anyone I'd ever been in a relationship with. My Master had me sever those connections for my own mental health. And I did so. One of those whom I blocked contact with managed to contact me again, and kept doing so. My Master asked me why I hadn't told her to leave me alone. I had said that it was because he'd told me not to talk to them. He said I should have asked what to do. And I was punished for not doing so.


 
for your own mental health.  i will come back to that in a moment.

quote:


Now, months later, one of those relationships that I blocked contact with a long time ago contacted me again on the 4th with a new screen name. I knew contact was forbidden, but my Master wasn't answering texts or the phone so I couldn't ask. I went with my best judgement. I told the boy I was sorry, but no longer speaking with him was for the best. That it hurt, but I had done what my Master had told me, because I trusted him, and he was showing me how to live. The boy swore and complained about my Master and wanted me to unblock him. I told him no, that it would be violating my Master's trust in me. He told me I was stupid and logged off.


if this was truly someone who cared about you, they would have not spoken how they did about the man who owns you.

on the flip side, your Master commanded you no more contact with these people.  what i dont see is you mentioning if you had met your Master by this point, or if you were still just on line.  has he also forbade you to speak to anyone else?

quote:


I was very proud about how I handled myself. I had told him to leave me alone, and ensured he would no longer contact me. I had told him that my Master meant so much to me and by saying what I had about doing what my Master told me, I'd shown that I trust in my Master.
That night I talked on the phone with my Master, as usual. We had a short, pleasant conversation, and I did not bring up the chat because I was afraid of how he'd react to it, and I didn't want to potentially ruin the nice conversation we'd had. The next night was an even shorter conversation as my Master was very tired. This morning I sent him the chat transcript, in full. I told him I hoped he was proud of me for how I handled myself, for how I made the boy go away.


fear in telling your Master something you thought you had done correctly is never a good thing.  open communication, even when we make mistakes, its always a must

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He wasn't. Not remotely.
In fact, he's very very very very very angry with me. He says that I disobeyed him by talking with the boy in the first place. Says I should have just blocked him. (boundaries issue.) Says I shouldn't have apologized for hurting the boy's feelings. Says I shouldn't have made it seem as if my Master and I were divided on the issue of me cutting off contact (even though we had been) because it makes my Master look badly.


so he was more concerned about how he looked to someone he told you to have no contact with, yet, told you not to appologize for hurting his feelings.  sort of odd behavior there.  i would have thought he would be more concerned with you having any contact, and then.. well.. i cant speak for your Master.. just.. odd that he would care how the boy views him.

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And that I should have stood up for him when the boy was bitching about him.


again, i wonder

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I honestly thought I'd done something right...done something that he'd be proud of because of what had happened the last time...when he had told me I should have told them to leave me alone.
My Master lives in another state. He is making plans to come up to me next week to punish me. He's told me he's going to punish me by beating me with his belt and cutting off all of my hair. (he knows I have post traumatic stress disorder related to being beaten. he also knows that I was teased my entire life and laughed at, and cutting off my hair will make me stick out, a target for negative attention, and cause people to tease and laugh at me again. Both of which, he knows, I psychologically can't handle.) I have explained myself to him as best as I can. I even explained my confusion. It didn't make a difference.
This is where I'm desperate for help. I realize that this isn't a little deal, but does it really warrant the punishment he's going to give me? That punishment is going to make me afraid of any sort of touch from anyone...I will physically recoil. It's happened before. And to deal with the trauma of being made fun of for my appearance...again...I wouldn't be able to deal with being out in public. I have very little self-confidence as is...I'd have none whatsoever. I'd completely lose my personality.
I'm knowledgeable about the Lifestyle, but I am a slave who seriously lacks experience. This is the first time I've been involved in a Lifestyle relationship of this caliber, a relationship that truly is what a Lifestyle relationship is meant to be. But I don't know what to expect.
I'm terrified. He says my choice is face the punishments or leave. We aren't just a M/s relationship, we're also a couple. I love him...I'm unwaveringly devoted to him. And I'm trying so very very very hard to please him. I feel like the child that was trying to make his mommy proud by pouring her a bowl of cereal for breakfast...but ends up making a mess and shattering the bowl. I only ever had the best of intentions.
What am I to do? I'm so afraid...it's really hard for me to trust people...I don't even trust myself...and I'm trying to trust that he knows and understands my limits...but I don't think he'd consider it punishment to beat me three times with the belt and cut off an inch of my hair.
Please help me...I need someone who understands to give their opinion, their advice...please...


Nani



ok, on all the rest... he is already emotionally abusing you just by mentioning the possibility.  if you are this shattered and upset, then the punishment has begun.  punishment should never be given in anger.  its the only time i advocate silence as a form of punishment, for this very reason.  he was angry, he MAY have said what he did out of anger, and didnt mean what he said.  however, for your sake, assume he did... and get out.  a Master's  obligation is to the mental well being of his submissive/slave.  is he showing that by taking your most obvious fears and using them agains you?  i dont believe he is, and its intentional.

intentional emotional abuse is not part of the lifestyle.

nani.... leave him.. open your heart back to those who care.. and heal yourself before finding another man who may do the same.

tazzy

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:36:25 PM   
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Cutting off your hair? He knows you have issues with being beaten and ridculed? Drop him like a rotten egg. He doesn't care about your mental health and to a Dominant that should be the most important thing outside of your physical health. It sounds like you got mixed up with the wrong Dom.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:38:12 PM   
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Most of our answers tend to have a long range goal and won't happen over night.. you need answers for now.  You need to tell your master of your fear.  Let that guide you if you can't see your way to ending things now or taking some action because you may be conflicted right now.  You won't want to end it in some sense even if you are scared because of that boundary thing and some of the emotions that tend to go with that problem.  So tell him how you feel.  If he doesn't understand and he doesn't STOP... run... and lock your door and do not let the man in. 

Any submissive I have known and any dominant I have known personally, would listen to your fear and would be loving and compassionate and acknowledge their error.  If he can't see it and says you are topping... again.. run, lock the door and do not talk to him again.  You have a weakness in this area of boundaries and you might need to force yourself, but do it.

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:43:24 PM   
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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:44:16 PM   
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Nani,
Just a question because there are a LOT of issues here and others have addressed them better and with less pragmatism than me.

If your Master was so upset with you to chat with this "boy", earning the punishment you describe; how happy is he going to be about discussing his planned actions with all those here on CM? Or will you hide this from him?

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:46:37 PM   
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I have two girls with profiles here on CM,I don't read their mail or control who they speak with, I trust them and will continue to do so until proven wrong,Sounds like a nut case with a short fuse, my advise is to end this relationship quick...bounty

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RE: Please Help Me...I'm terrified - 11/6/2008 2:58:31 PM   
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My alarms went off everytime she made an excuse Not to discuss the problem with him. People in abusive relationships are very careful about what they voice and when. They always measure the abusers emotional state and weigh how much information they can tell them.

If you have to think about everything you say before you say it.....there's a major trust issue.

Run don't walk and get the hell out of this relationship.

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