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Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a suc... - 2/28/2009 7:19:20 AM

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A question to both democrats and republicans.

Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a success?

By the end of his term, if he manages to significantly decrease the US's deficit, would that be enough? Would it be a mixture of social and economic moves? His stance on getting involved in the problems of other nations? Say a humanitarian crisis of the likes of Darfur came up, and Obama decided to send in troops, would anti-war Democrats consider him to be just like Bush? Is Obama already a failure in some peoples eyes?

What is your measure of success for Obama?

RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 7:24:30 AM

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If we are less free, he will be a failure. At least in my viewpoint. To those who like statism, that might make him a success.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 7:33:14 AM

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If we are less despised around the world and terrorist groups find it more difficult to recruit and are shrinking instead of growing, I will consider him a success.
If we manage to get out of this current economic crisis without a full fledged Depression then I will consider him a success.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 7:40:56 AM

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If he
1) gets the economy on track without an excessive burden to current and future generations.
2) keeps us free from external harm (i.e., terrorists)
3) can actually unite the country...more JFK than GWB.
4) increases personal responsibility and freedom among Americans (yes, to even be foolish)
5) gets back to a "founding fathers" recognition of constitutional recognized rights and responsibilities.
6) decreases the size of the federal government over 1%...
then I'd consider his presidency successful.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 7:46:21 AM

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1) if he manages to not be George Bush.
2) if he manages to not rape the US Constitution (like Bush did)
3) if he refrains from starting any more "pre-emptive wars" against countries that never attacked us.
4) basically, if he does the fucking job, unlike George Bush, who spent a full third of his time in the oval office... on vacation. (This is what we get for getting scared, and electing* a cocaine using, drunken frat boy cheerleader, instead of someone who's an actual leader... and not a cartoon of one.)

* Only elected once... for the second term. He was installed by a republican supreme court judge the first time around. You have to actually be elected, before you can be re-elected...

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 7:51:28 AM

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If we get the hell out of Iraq that would be a plus. Any other success is prevented by powerful forces, the ones who really run things.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 8:21:26 AM

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less than 4300 servicemen dead for no reason is at least a moderate success. If I can enjoy watching the righties have apoplexy for the next 8 years like they've had for the past 4 months then I would rate his presidency as a huge success just for the lulz alone.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 8:52:28 AM

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My feeling is that Obama's administration will be driven and defined by unforeseen events, rather than the agenda he sets down in these early days. His success or failure will be determined by how he deals with those events.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 8:59:03 AM

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Only one month into his administration, it's impossible to predict what will ultimately make him a success or a failure, because it's impossible to predict what challenges he'll face and what problems he'll have to solve over the next 3 years and 11 months. There are literally an infinite number of paths his presidency could follow, with an infinite number of choices to make and an infinite number of possible outcomes. At this point, the best guess is that he'll be judged on how he deals with the economic crisis. But if Iran nukes Tel Aviv next summer, the economy - no matter how good or bad it is - will be 3rd page news for the rest of his presidency. There's just no way to know what lies ahead.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 9:48:48 AM

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If we get the hell out of Iraq that would be a plus. Any other success is prevented by powerful forces, the ones who really run things.

T

Actually you have it. This OP and others like it make for good speculation but he need only satisfy the bankers and their interests. He covered them in his big opening speech...done deal. To them he will be a great success and the remaining issues don't matter.

Thing is though those powers that be do like the partisan bullshit so as to keep us distracted over minae.

But however, greed in all of its aspects world-wide...is good. 'Wall street' told us that back in the day.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 12:11:44 PM

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Given the massive debacle this nation is currently facing, anything he does that can put positive results (not just spin and rhetoric) into one or more of the major issues in the next 3 plus years that will definitely make his administration a success.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 12:26:13 PM

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I want to keep my answer simple and not bogged down with detail.

If he manages to restore the honor of our country I would not care if he solves any of our other problems.

I do understand honor is a luxury and not important if you are struggling to exist. It is however what separates surviving from living.
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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 12:28:14 PM

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If Obama can keep the US mainstream media under his spell, bankers and corporations happy, legalize illegal aliens to increase number of his voters, prevent viable third party from emerging then he will be re-elected and therefore a political success. Chances of fixing economy, health care, budget deficit, national debt are practically non-existent.

(I am not a Democrat, Republican or Republicrat)

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 1:25:40 PM

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If I can enjoy watching the righties have apoplexy for the next 8 years like they've had for the past 4 months then I would rate his presidency as a huge success just for the lulz alone.

This sentiment is one of the biggest problems with the country right now, and it's saddening to see that kind of "us vs them" mentality on both sides.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 1:32:03 PM

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There will be those that are never happy with any outcome. I already consider him a vast success because my priorities have not seen the light of day for discussion over there yet alone action, for a long time. In fact if all he does is recognise that you can't have security at the expense of liberty then that'll be going back to basics of how we all know civilised society should think.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 1:43:16 PM

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If I can enjoy watching the righties have apoplexy for the next 8 years like they've had for the past 4 months then I would rate his presidency as a huge success just for the lulz alone.

This sentiment is one of the biggest problems with the country right now, and it's saddening to see that kind of "us vs them" mentality on both sides.

One of the biggest problems in this country is that I find the ravings of people who never gave President Obama a chance funny? Not the economy or Iraq or islamic terrorism or the health care crisis or any of the other actual serious issues?

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 1:52:20 PM

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One of the biggest problems in this country is that I find the ravings of people who never gave President Obama a chance funny? Not the economy or Iraq or islamic terrorism or the health care crisis or any of the other actual serious issues?

That's not what I said.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 2:02:48 PM

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A question to both democrats and republicans.

Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a success?

By the end of his term, if he manages to significantly decrease the US's deficit, would that be enough? Would it be a mixture of social and economic moves? His stance on getting involved in the problems of other nations? Say a humanitarian crisis of the likes of Darfur came up, and Obama decided to send in troops, would anti-war Democrats consider him to be just like Bush? Is Obama already a failure in some peoples eyes?

What is your measure of success for Obama?

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If He Manages to significantly decrese the deficit that he passed into law .... No I will still be upset about the rest of it that we will; be paying in taxes until it is completely gone which by that time another President will have had a great idea and screwed it up all over again.

Obama is my President whether I like it or not. I stand behind him for our countries sake. However I am in agreement with many that he will be judged by the many checks he wrote that his ass won't cash and if he manages to try it will be a far cry from what he promised, and I also believe that the decisions he makes in 2011 will affect the ability of anyone else to be elected and that enevitably he will be elected for a second term with the promise that he needs that term to make his promises good and they in 2016 when we get a new president he will be blamed for not being able to make what Obama was trying to do happen.

Honestly I think Obama will go down in history for all the things he TRIED to do as I do not believe he will accomplish many of them. Sadly I know this is not the Popular View of Obama, however looking at his first impressions and the slick talk I can see this to be the future, but then again I am just a man and it is already known I don't care for the president I just which he would offer the HOW'S of his plans because as of yet none of them make much sence as to how they will be carried out and STILL make things better as most of them being carried out seem to lead to things getting worse.

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 2:08:49 PM

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If He Manages to significantly decrese the deficit that he passed into law ....

Kinda skeptical there.

To say "I'm gonna cut the deficit in half in 4 years!" while passing a bill spending so many hundreds of billions is as bad as a fat kid saying "I'm gonna lose 25 pounds by next month!" while taking a bite of his big double cheeseburger with fries and chocolate shake.

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Obama is my President whether I like it or not. I stand behind him for our countries sake.

I've disowned him as my president already. (Even going so far as to decide to not give a dime in federal taxes for the next four years. I want nothing to do with his economic policies at this point, and if push comes to shove I'll leave the country and renounce citizenship like a few of my friends already has done.)

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RE: Under what circumstances would you consider Obama a... - 2/28/2009 2:12:16 PM

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1) if he manages to not be George Bush.
2) if he manages to not rape the US Constitution (like Bush did)
3) if he refrains from starting any more "pre-emptive wars" against countries that never attacked us.
4) basically, if he does the fucking job, unlike George Bush, who spent a full third of his time in the oval office... on vacation. (This is what we get for getting scared, and electing* a cocaine using, drunken frat boy cheerleader, instead of someone who's an actual leader... and not a cartoon of one.)

* Only elected once... for the second term. He was installed by a republican supreme court judge the first time around. You have to actually be elected, before you can be re-elected...

5. If we start to see a turnaround in the Bush Depression within four years.
6. He starts to examine Pat Buchanan's warnings about Mexico.

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