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ORIGINAL: orlandoslv

i am owned by Bohemian Goddess and have surrendered full rights of Ownership to Her.  As Her property, She has the right to do anything She desires to me and that includes loaning me out to others, both Female or male.  i do not know if She would do this but She has that right. 

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

The dynamic of any relationship is defined by the people in it. Master does not equate to the right to do as one wishes unless the other side of that dynamic jumps up and says, do as ye wish an i wilst be followin along behind ye wit me head down an me thoughts sorely upon pleasin ye an all manners o men that ye have me fuckin.

In other words, there should be no assumptions and nothing binds anyone to assumptions when they're made other than the lack of common sense. Even if said assumptions are written in blood prior to the arrangement, staying in it has no legality to it other than acceptance of that arrangement.

Basically what I'm saying is, some people need that kind of existence. Some don't. Some masters want that kind of ultimate control. Some don't. There's no gilded book of Advanced Domliness sitting atop Mt. Ararat that has been handed down over the ages and defines anything specific to kink as a whole other than it meet the needs of the people involved.

If it doesn't, master has no rights and submissive or slave has no duty. Relationships dissolve everyday, kink-related and vanilla, for lots of reasons. One of the big ones is that one or the other side ignores the needs of the other.

Being a master doesn't remove one from that requirement. It does however, grant an initial caveat that the masters needs come first.. I guess.

I'm no one's master and never intend to be.

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ORIGINAL: peppermint

I will agree with you.  Many start their first D/s or M/s relationship wearing rose colored glasses and really have no idea what is or could be expected of them.  After they are in their new relationship for a few months these very same sub/slaves will write to the forums again, asking if something their Dominant did or said is "fair" or "right." 

However, this is not a sub/slave problem only.  If the Dominant is more experienced then it is the Dominant's duty to explain reality to the sub/slave BEFORE taking ownership.  If the Dominant, in the need to collar the new sub/slave quickly to ward off any competition fails to do so, then the Dominant can't complain when the sub/slave refuses to be pimped out because the Dominant says so.  If the Dominant did not ask for a sub/slave's limits and did not explain why there are limits, then how can one possibly place all the blame on a newbie sub/slave suffering from sub frenzy? 

By the way, I do disagree with what you said about it being understood that a submissive/slave would do ANY service required by a Dominant.  That's why we have limits. 

pepper,

Is that not why there is a difference tween a Sir/submissive relationship and a Master/slave relationship? In one limits can be and should be discussed, in the other the only point to be discussed is does the slave understand that He//She has the power of  'right" and there is only compliance.

CP

(in reply to peppermint)

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ORIGINAL: zero69u2

the polyamory clause of a slave contract... hmmmm interesting..  I've seen it written down.. forced lesbian/gay activitys (in the list of things i'd never participate in.. as i don't believe in that style of D)

I believe you have the right to refuse service to anyone. Yes that falls under unconsentual service hard limit.. and you also always reserve the right to walk at any time out of the house.. yes..

However i think if your Master/Mistress has guests over for a evening. you should expect to know who is coming over and what is the expected protocol, decorum and what is going to happen for the evening..  Any Misinformation.. Suprise Mystrey Guests, would  cause me to DISTRUST my partner..

You have rights too..  Even a slave  orlandoslv can get up and leave.. If its unconsentual its RAPE.. plain and simple.. you have given her control and rights to serve her. You can certainly refuse.. and explain your position that you only worship 1 Woman and are not wired to polyamourus situations...
If she finds it unacceptable (she can certainly request you to leave) or you can take the first step leave her house on your own

zero,

Is your significant other a Madam or a ma'am?

CP

(in reply to zero69u2)

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Actually, it is more like "within the week". I believe the majority of these women were looking for a partner or boyfriend, and just trying to avoid having to make the dating effort. I put new arrivals in my "Favourites" list, when I see something in their profile that interests me, and then keep an eye on the profile for a few weeks, before writing. By that time, about a third have either disappeared, or been "taken".

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ORIGINAL: antipode

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after about 30 to 60 days have found the " master" that they sought all their lives

Actually, it is more like "within the week". I believe the majority of these women were looking for a partner or boyfriend, and just trying to avoid having to make the dating effort. I put new arrivals in my "Favourites" list, when I see something in their profile that interests me, and then keep an eye on the profile for a few weeks, before writing. By that time, about a third have either disappeared, or been "taken".

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ORIGINAL: NYLass

And this is why I have listed in my profile I am monogamous.  Groups, poly and swinging are hard limits for me.   Yet, even with that right on my profile, I get the uber dumbinants messaging me that I am to bow before their shining light of almighty power and submit wholly to be done by whomever they choose, or be called a fake. 

Egads. I ought to be ashamed.  Giggle, respond with cheekiness, delete & block, next...
 
Lass,
 
laughs, girl it seems you destined to only serve the lowly Sirs on this path of ours
thanks for your thoughts.
 
CP

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with

For some yes, for some no.
Never fails to amaze me how many subs / slaves top from the bottom though and get away with it.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I would venture that if you met the "right" sub all of a sudden many of your demands would suddenly become mere guidelines.

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ORIGINAL: twoisnotenough

I have major issue.. possiably all terminology.. but Polyamory can not be forced. polyamory is simply Many Loves. being poly and Forced to do anything les/gay activitys, whatever are not interrelated at all. Poly is the state of the relationship, its a state of being, thats like screaming YOU WILL LOVE ME.  it dosent work that way.

two,

Welcome to the boards and lively discussion.  I believe that you misread the thread. the direction of sharing was just an extreme example of the responsibilties of a slave. If they would deny those kinds of serious directions, then they would be best served in a Sir / sub relationship.

CP

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with

For some yes, for some no.
Never fails to amaze me how many subs / slaves top from the bottom though and get away with it.

InTongues,

So what might be the answers if any to the consideration?

CP

Truthfully i don't think there is an answer. I think it is how it is and it always will be.

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with

For some yes, for some no.
Never fails to amaze me how many subs / slaves top from the bottom though and get away with it.

InTongues,

So what might be the answers if any to the consideration?

CP

Truthfully i don't think there is an answer. I think it is how it is and it always will be.

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with

For some yes, for some no.
Never fails to amaze me how many subs / slaves top from the bottom though and get away with it.

InTongues,

So what might be the answers if any to the consideration?

CP

Truthfully i don't think there is an answer. I think it is how it is and it always will be.

I nTongues,

Well damn, I do hope your wrong.

CP

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ORIGINAL: susie
Just because someone is new to BDSM it does not make them totally clueless about life.

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

The trend continues here on CM wherein the new fems find the site and normally after about 30 to 60 days have found the " master" that they sought all their lives but just did not recognize their need until now.
My thoughts center on expectancies on the part of these newly rewarded females or males as they have found the light and dedicated themselves to a "master"or mistress.
Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with.
for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" .

CP