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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 10:56:39 AM

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Marc,

Indeed every relationship is different but within that broad statement continues the trend of initial ignorance....... on both sides of the slash, a Dominant that referes to themselves as Master or Madam have a responsibility right up front to outline what the relationship will entail.

CP

What you write really is the crux. I suspect the problem with this idea is the human proclivity toward manipulation and bending the truth, which both sexes do in their own way to get what they want. I believe the ideal is one in which discussion can be that forward and clear, but I'm afraid such adherence to honesty and accountability is rare. There are plenty of dye-in-the-wool misogynists masquerading as big warm and loving daddy types who say all the right things and get the collective nod of approval from their peers (and by way of this, hopefully their bitch), just as there are plenty of self-professed "slaves" looking for an over glorified meal ticket. I suspect many of us come to recognize the flavor of the agenda with enough time and experience.

My feelings, however, are that many in a forum like this aren't looking for slavery or "ownership" to be that literal, so outside of reaffirming the virtue of honesty and communication in any relationship, getting into the guts of this heavier subject matter from the outset can be moot for a lot of readers. Many people scoff at terms like "slave" or "ownership" and the ideas surrounding them, citing numerous reasons—moral, empirical or litigious—as to why it's all ultimately a game, thus supporting a sort of cynical logic that avoids notions of accountability and serious discussion about consensual slavery. There are then of course the jaded and disenchanted types who were burned and now vent their spleen through the keyboard, or the befuddled romantics who poke at the fringes of these concepts; those who would never really want in reality what seems so desirable in their heads.

Oh, I could go on all day preening about my understanding of these personality types, but I'll spare the thread any further diarrhea of the keyboard.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 11:03:52 AM

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MarcEsadrian...I believe the ideal is one in which discussion can be that forward and clear...

This is a huge turn on for me. The word slave scares me. Ownership. It boggles my mind. Especially if the Owner intends to beat me up or make me sleep on the floor. The idea of forward clear communication though... I like the guts of heavy subject matter.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 12:24:02 PM

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Is it not true that there would be a whole lot fewer sub types refering to their other as Master or Madam if they understood up front that the "M " held the absolute power over the "s" activities?

CP

CP, that's your definition, not everyone else's. And the truth is nobody, no matter what they call themselves can hold ultimate and absolute power over another. Let's say the s type develops cancer. Can he order her to be well? Obviously not. Can he order her to have the same energy level to do things that she had prior to receiving chemo? Obviously not.

There are built in limits.

What I am seeing is that many people only agree to physical health limits and not mental health ones. You might be able to order her to carry out an activity, you can't order her to enjoy it, or to not resent you for doing so. Ultimately, you cannot order her not to lose trust with you when you disregard what is best for her, when you cannot control your own desires enough, cannot master yourself enough, to do without something you want when you have been told clearly that it is harmful to her.

You can call yourself a master and demand anything, but proving yourself a master takes a lot more than demanding all this with no regard for her health and well being as well as the health and wellbeing of the relationship. If you are only in this for quick thrills and don't care about using her up and tossing her out afterwards, then you may be a master but you're a piss poor one imo.

Edited to add: There would be a lot fewer people calling themselves masters if they understood they held absolute responsibility and blame for bad results and were capable of accepting that responsibility and blame. To turn your phrase around so the onus is not on the s but the m.

Des,

First, kindly take the 'you out of the comments as it seems to read that i am a complaining Master / never have been and never will be.
Also when citing examples it might be helpful to stay in the realm of reality and your sick comments leave that realm.
You last paragraph however I certainly agree with. Just as we have inexperienced " s"s we have also a huge number of " D " types that have no fricking idea of the degree of responsibility that they take on as a valid Master , for them it is just give orders etc. they however tend to not partisipate in the boards and will miss the opportunity to learn anything, whereas the subs do tend to read the boards and if only a few read this thread, well then it is worth it.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 12:26:27 PM

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nevermind

*leaves a bowl of kitty food by the back door.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 12:33:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Marc,

Indeed every relationship is different but within that broad statement continues the trend of initial ignorance....... on both sides of the slash, a Dominant that referes to themselves as Master or Madam have a responsibility right up front to outline what the relationship will entail.

CP

What you write really is the crux. I suspect the problem with this idea is the human proclivity toward manipulation and bending the truth, which both sexes do in their own way to get what they want. I believe the ideal is one in which discussion can be that forward and clear, but I'm afraid such adherence to honesty and accountability is rare. There are plenty of dye-in-the-wool misogynists masquerading as big warm and loving daddy types who say all the right things and get the collective nod of approval from their peers (and by way of this, hopefully their bitch), just as there are plenty of self-professed "slaves" looking for an over glorified meal ticket. I suspect many of us come to recognize the flavor of the agenda with enough time and experience.

My feelings, however, are that many in a forum like this aren't looking for slavery or "ownership" to be that literal, so outside of reaffirming the virtue of honesty and communication in any relationship, getting into the guts of this heavier subject matter from the outset can be moot for a lot of readers. Many people scoff at terms like "slave" or "ownership" and the ideas surrounding them, citing numerous reasons—moral, empirical or litigious—as to why it's all ultimately a game, thus supporting a sort of cynical logic that avoids notions of accountability and serious discussion about consensual slavery. There are then of course the jaded and disenchanted types who were burned and now vent their spleen through the keyboard, or the befuddled romantics who poke at the fringes of these concepts; those who would never really want in reality what seems so desirable in their heads.

Oh, I could go on all day preening about my understanding of these personality types, but I'll spare the thread any further diarrhea of the keyboard.

Marc,

I do not know how long you have been in the lifestyle, but it used to be that upfront conversations were the rule of the days before the opposite sides of the slash would come together. the net has changed all that as the players now abound.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 1:24:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Marc,

I do not know how long you have been in the lifestyle, but it used to be that upfront conversations were the rule of the days before the opposite sides of the slash would come together. the net has changed all that as the players now abound.

CP

They are still espoused now , internet or no internet, in a VERY clear manner. The boards here alone are bursting with that advice.

agirl

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 1:51:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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well if the persons involved were aware going in that sharing was a possibility..or probability, and was not discussed as a hard limit..then it is the sub who must reconcile herself to this decision made by her Master
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ree,

Your comments would be appropriate with a Sir relationship where " limits" are discussed; but a master or mistress carries the power that transends limits.

Welcome to the boards.

CP

If that is what is agreed you. You are making the faux paux of assuming your relationship values and terms apply to everyone.

Aquatic,

no faux paux here as I assume nothing. I bring out the continuing tragedy of trust broken through ignorance. I n deed as I evolved in this path I came to appreciate the difference in expectations and responsibilities held in a Master Madam relationship as compared to the dominant Sir relationship.

CP

You believe there are different expectations. I believe that the words mean nothing in and of themselves. It's the commitment of the people involved that brings greater expectations, not because they picked a particular set of labels to define themselves by. I expect nothing of a master that I don't expect of a dominant and vice versa.

I believe that being married means people who love each other, live together, and build a family together. To other people, being married is simply a legal matter that has nothing to do with love or even being on the same side of the world. For me to devalue their marriage by saying "You aren't actually married, this is what being married is" is rude. You are doing the same thing to those who feel the terms master and slave apply to them but don't agree with loaning out or that being a master comes with some magical ultimate authority.

It's a faux paux. I can say that this is what a marriage means to me, that this is what my relationship means to me and that this is what these terms mean to me but I can not define someone else's.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 2:14:52 PM

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This is all rather ridiculous. It really, really is. It is the wanking material of the male mind. If you conclude the value of a sub based entirely that she must accept being "loaned" out..That is absurd. Why would I place so much value on this one attribute? There are people out here that would fuck anything that moves if asked. I don't think, for many, that being human is the cutoff. Why does this give them higher value over someone that does not choose to take part in such an activity? Why is this person necessarily valued at all?

I believe that every one of these guys would do a complete 180 if they met the "right" woman. Or the "right" woman would have nothing to do with their wanking fantasies. Which is probably much more accurate. I do think the fact of loaning someone out is hot, it's a quality meat tugging venture...I'm confident I would not consider it with someone I actually gave a shit about. (so there is a good warning for you subs)

I am the uber dom...You will be loaned out and drink from my ten inch fountain of youth!

So the uber Dom places on his profile that you will be loaned out.
So, now I know that everyone that responds is at least on my page. It has nothing to do with domination it has to do with finding a partner that is willing and gets off on the same things that I value.

I believe that many of these "uber doms" are trolling for the damaged and the overall undesirables. They put little worth on the things that I believe have value. Like intelligence, self worth and self reliance.

These are the ones that suggest that your value is to be measured by the sum of your holes. You only possess value if you agree with their stated premise. To disagree is to question the great master. What kind of a "twue" sub would ever take that course of action?

I think this just further blurs the murky line between what is actually domination and what is just another consentual kink displayed between two adults.

Let the flaming start domiguy, but finally. Hell yes. He owns me, it is a real life M/s relationship. Not a bedroom kink thing, which hey, works for some, not knocking that. Okay, back to domi's point. If he didn't love me, cherish me, protect and guide me, would I be his slave? No way. As such, there is not a chance in hell he would "loan" "share" or in any other way allow me to fuck or be fucked by another man. That also with us extends even to including another hot chick in a threesome for his pleasure. Yeah, crazy I know. I have also said that the minute he finds watching some other person use me sexually then he no longer loves me and the relationship is over. I am actually more recepetive to things that way than he is. I don't mean another man, I meant like some hot young thing for Master's birthday cuz I'm good like that.

. It's not his thing. Some people, even Master's, can fully own and love a woman, and not want anything on the side or to pass their girl around like a party favor in some show of uber Domliness. You can be a sick, sadistic twisted Master and still be a romantic when it comes to monogamy. That's the best kind for this chick anyway.

As to domiguy's other point, well let's just say when I was being pursued before I met Sir, please, I had Master's that were poly promising to go monogamous, I had them telling me I didn't have to be bi, ( I am not ) and everything else under the sun. Domi is right, for some Masters, (not *all* ) the right woman, even if they don't know her, can have these guys doing a 180 on the spot. And I think he is right when he say that many men won't share the woman he gives a shit about.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 2:22:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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well if the persons involved were aware going in that sharing was a possibility..or probability, and was not discussed as a hard limit..then it is the sub who must reconcile herself to this decision made by her Master
ty
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ree,

Your comments would be appropriate with a Sir relationship where " limits" are discussed; but a master or mistress carries the power that transends limits.

Welcome to the boards.

CP

If that is what is agreed you. You are making the faux paux of assuming your relationship values and terms apply to everyone.

Yep. Sorry I missed this one. So you are saying that in a M/s dynamic I don't have the veto power over my sexuality? Come on, how ridiculous. We are in a full power exchange, and I have no limits. Well, you know what I mean, I'm not jumping in front of a subway anytime soon. He is the decision maker and takes my thoughts into consideration, but they are far from being the deciding factor. He is my Master and my Owner, so it isn't real to you because I won't let his friends fuck me? I don't give them blowjobs between the apertif and salad course? How about that before we agreed to be a Master and his slave, he and I both discussed that fact that we are monogamous, I am straight, and that is non negotiable? That makes him now a Sir? What a bunch of semantic gymnastics.

Tell me CP, do you think that all "real" Master's require their property to be gifted sexually to others?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 2:35:53 PM

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I met my Sir on CM within the first week of joining. Yep, I was a newbie to D/s, however, I still used common sense (although I did a lot of stupid things before I met him, but that's neither here nor there).

He was and is still aware of my limits. Although Power and Right does have a place within our relationship, if something is a hard limit, that's what it is unless/until I decide to place it in the soft limit category. He has the right to push soft limits, but ultimately, I retain the right to say "I'm not ready" and the power to leave the relationship if it's something that he "must" have right this minute!! We had numerous discussions prior to entering a relationship and hopefully, our respect for one another will not allow it to reach that point.

My signature line is how I strive to live my life.

sblady,

Methinks you have described a ideal Sir / sub relationship, it is the Master / slave thing that bears more light and caution.
Thanks for your input.

CP

A portion of your original post : "Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with.
for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" . "

Ahhh.....this is where "labels" can become confusing. My Sir could very well be a Master, however, he may allow me to call him Sir. Had you stated you mostly were interested in answers from Masters/slaves, I wouldn't have responded.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 3:21:22 PM

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I wasn't 'taken' in 60 days...after i first got on here i freaked out and didn't come back till months later to wade through my mail...be scared and embarrassed and deleted most of them (sorry if anyone was offended) Now i know what i need and look for here, which is cyber...the whole 'sharing' thing in that is somewhat vague...
Real time i would not have a problem with being 'shared' but unfortunately i have a possessive Master, compromises have to be made...needs are not always totally met, we are aware it is a tough life...

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 4:08:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Marc,

I do not know how long you have been in the lifestyle, but it used to be that upfront conversations were the rule of the days before the opposite sides of the slash would come together. the net has changed all that as the players now abound.

CP

They are still espoused now , internet or no internet, in a VERY clear manner. The boards here alone are bursting with that advice.

agirl

agirl,

yes the boards are bursting with that advice but apparently it is not read as the profiles are also bursting with bitterness over prior treatment.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 4:14:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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ORIGINAL: marysdream

well if the persons involved were aware going in that sharing was a possibility..or probability, and was not discussed as a hard limit..then it is the sub who must reconcile herself to this decision made by her Master
ty
ree

ree,

Your comments would be appropriate with a Sir relationship where " limits" are discussed; but a master or mistress carries the power that transends limits.

Welcome to the boards.

CP

If that is what is agreed you. You are making the faux paux of assuming your relationship values and terms apply to everyone.

Aquatic,

no faux paux here as I assume nothing. I bring out the continuing tragedy of trust broken through ignorance. I n deed as I evolved in this path I came to appreciate the difference in expectations and responsibilities held in a Master Madam relationship as compared to the dominant Sir relationship.

CP

You believe there are different expectations. I believe that the words mean nothing in and of themselves. It's the commitment of the people involved that brings greater expectations, not because they picked a particular set of labels to define themselves by. I expect nothing of a master that I don't expect of a dominant and vice versa.

I believe that being married means people who love each other, live together, and build a family together. To other people, being married is simply a legal matter that has nothing to do with love or even being on the same side of the world. For me to devalue their marriage by saying "You aren't actually married, this is what being married is" is rude. You are doing the same thing to those who feel the terms master and slave apply to them but don't agree with loaning out or that being a master comes with some magical ultimate authority.

It's a faux paux. I can say that this is what a marriage means to me, that this is what my relationship means to me and that this is what these terms mean to me but I can not define someone else's.

Aquatic,

you and a few others seems to sieze upon the ?loan Out" example, when indeed it was just an example. I might have used moving to the Masters city or any onther somewhat extreme direction,
The point is stuill there that a sub has far less input if any when serving a master as opposed to a sub. You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 4:27:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

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well if the persons involved were aware going in that sharing was a possibility..or probability, and was not discussed as a hard limit..then it is the sub who must reconcile herself to this decision made by her Master
ty
ree

ree,

Your comments would be appropriate with a Sir relationship where " limits" are discussed; but a master or mistress carries the power that transends limits.

Welcome to the boards.

CP

If that is what is agreed you. You are making the faux paux of assuming your relationship values and terms apply to everyone.

Yep. Sorry I missed this one. So you are saying that in a M/s dynamic I don't have the veto power over my sexuality? Come on, how ridiculous. We are in a full power exchange, and I have no limits. Well, you know what I mean, I'm not jumping in front of a subway anytime soon. He is the decision maker and takes my thoughts into consideration, but they are far from being the deciding factor. He is my Master and my Owner, so it isn't real to you because I won't let his friends fuck me? I don't give them blowjobs between the apertif and salad course? How about that before we agreed to be a Master and his slave, he and I both discussed that fact that we are monogamous, I am straight, and that is non negotiable? That makes him now a Sir? What a bunch of semantic gymnastics.

Tell me CP, do you think that all "real" Master's require their property to be gifted sexually to others?

Aynne88,

I will answer or address only your tag line as it is addressed to me.
You like a few others focused on the loan thing when it was only an example of many possible harse directives. I raise an eyebrow at the real bit, but I will talk about a fair and accomplished master that gained his/her skill with experience and mentality.
What is at issue here is expectancies and not what a master might actually direct. The point being if he/she values his property they will car for it with extreme car. But given that if a directive comes that is outside the willingness of the sub, then the sub can always ask for release and the wise " M" will grant it.

CP

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 4:34:15 PM

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The trend continues here on CM wherein the new fems find the site and normally after about 30 to 60 days have found the " master" that they sought all their lives but just did not recognize their need until now.
My thoughts center on expectancies on the part of these newly rewarded females or males as they have found the light and dedicated themselves to a "master"or mistress.
Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with.
for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" .

CP

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Aquatic,

you and a few others seems to sieze upon the ?loan Out" example, when indeed it was just an example. I might have used moving to the Masters city or any onther somewhat extreme direction,
The point is stuill there that a sub has far less input if any when serving a master as opposed to a sub. You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so.

CP

You are the one that decided on using the terminology "loaned out." There is a huge difference between being loaned out to strangers and moving to a new town. Even a lowly sub can figure that one out.

Not a very Domly attribute to be back peddling to a sub. Remember you said the master, "carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires." So why are you backing down?...By God, if the master says that the sub will be loaned out then that is exactly what shall transpire!

Also complaining about aquatic... "You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so." How masterful is it to show a poor overall temperament towards people that disagree with one of your thoughts?

Just saying. I think you are way off base.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 5:46:18 PM

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Aquatic,

you and a few others seems to sieze upon the ?loan Out" example, when indeed it was just an example. I might have used moving to the Masters city or any onther somewhat extreme direction,
The point is stuill there that a sub has far less input if any when serving a master as opposed to a sub. You seems hell bent on chewing the subject to death and you have done so.

CP

And you've missed my point entirely.

I do not agree with your above statement. When you attempt to dicate the terms and conditions of other people's relationships, you are rude and intruding upon their relationships. The input that the person serving will have depends entirely on the will of the person they are serving, regardless of what terms have meaning to the people involved or what terms have meaning to some random person who signs his posts "CP".

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 6:41:06 PM

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I understood the issue to be the understanding or the misunderstanding of the Master or Sir and slave or sub and the responsibilities to go with each. I didn't take the examples presented as anything but examples. I also know that each title carries it's own definition to the particular relationship. I do think there are newbies that "think" they know what they want and they very eagerly jump in with both feet. On occasion it may work out, but on those when it does not, they have been known to come back with a complaint or a whine about what to do next.

It paramount (imo) that the relationship dynamics be examined and discussed up front. This should be no different than any other big decision that one would make that will affect their life. Certainly we cannot think of all things to discuss upfront as life, experiences, growth, maturity, etc. will throw things out as the relationship goes on. But there is plenty of communicating that can be done on the front end to ensure that you (no matter which side of the slash you're on) is getting what you need, want, and expect in the other person on the other side of the slash.

I don't think there is anything that can necessarily be done any differently. There are those of us that have jumped in with both feet quickly and are in the best relationship. There are those of us that have jumped in with both feet quickly and have learned that maybe there are things that should be differently the next time. Other than sharing of the experiences and giving our opinions and advice when asked or felt like it is warranted, I don't see what else could be done. It's part of life ...

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 7:56:08 PM

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires.

A better question would be: Is there an understanding that along with the master/mistresses’ rights there also comes serious responsibilities?

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 8:15:29 PM

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires.

A better question would be: Is there an understanding that along with the master/mistresses’ rights there also comes serious responsibilities?

Concise and to the point.

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RE: The Power or " Right" - 3/23/2009 9:24:53 PM

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Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires.

A better question would be: Is there an understanding that along with the master/mistresses’ rights there also comes serious responsibilities?

hi catize

i totally agree. including the right to keep the slave safe from harm. just out of curiosity, how many men who are willing to "loan out" their girls are willing to suck the man they are loaning her (or him) out too? and how do you know where that man was poking last? i often hear "I wouldnt share if I didnt trust the guy". do you have a full medical history? the only safe sex is abstinence. monogamy next. why muddy the waters by allowing others to trample through your wadinng pool?

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