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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 4:26:50 PM   
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Yeah, let's make sure that really poor people have a completely joyless existence with no escape other than recreational drug use and unprotected sex, because our moral fiber is so strong that we could easily do without the periodic birthday cake or non-library book.

Even better if they're sick - I mean what do they need other than maybe meds maybe a roof and to stare at the walls? They're just beggars who deserve their disabilities.




First of all I NEVER suggested going WITHOUT a birthday cake, and yeah truthfully IT DOES HAVE ME A BIT IRKED THAT I HAVE TO SHELL OUT ABOUT $20,000 per year to get any kind of decent health care coverage as a private individual, while others are MIS-USING/abusing the "system"
 
And what IS wrong with using the public library? NOT only do I DONATE my purchased books to it as "friends of the library", but over $400 of my taxes every year go into helping sustain it... AND I make additional PURCHASES from library book "sales" days in order to help keep the coffers full at the local public library.
 
If I can bake a friggen cake, someone else can (particularly someone without their own NATURAL funding)
 
When the heck are people gonna actually own up to their RESPONSIBILITIES and stop trying to sponge off the rest of us saps?
 
As for "joy" YOU MAKE YOUR OWN!
 
I have WILLINGLY donated tons of funding to worthwhile "charities" those who you can see what they spend their monies on. Where I get annoyed is watching people in the "SYSTEM" able to abuse funds granted to them--
 
perhaps if they were a little more frugal/responsible, they could:
 
a) either get by on less funds (leaving some for more indigent people) or
 
b) get their acts in gear and get off "aid" entirely, and become "CONTRIBUTING" members of society, perhaps enabling people LESS FORTUNATE PEOPLE THAN THEMSELVES a chance as well.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 4:35:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PlayfulGoddess

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Yeah, let's make sure that really poor people have a completely joyless existence with no escape other than recreational drug use and unprotected sex, because our moral fiber is so strong that we could easily do without the periodic birthday cake or non-library book.

Even better if they're sick - I mean what do they need other than maybe meds maybe a roof and to stare at the walls? They're just beggars who deserve their disabilities.




First of all I NEVER suggested going WITHOUT a birthday cake, and yeah truthfully IT DOES HAVE ME A BIT IRKED THAT I HAVE TO SHELL OUT ABOUT $20,000 per year to get any kind of decent health care coverage as a private individual, while others are MIS-USING/abusing the "system"
 
And what IS wrong with using the public library? NOT only do I DONATE my purchased books to it as "friends of the library", but over $400 of my taxes every year go into helping sustain it... AND I make additional PURCHASES from library book "sales" days in order to help keep the coffers full at the local public library.
 
If I can bake a friggen cake, someone else can (particularly someone without their own NATURAL funding)
 
When the heck are people gonna actually own up to their RESPONSIBILITIES and stop trying to sponge off the rest of us saps?
 
As for "joy" YOU MAKE YOUR OWN!
 
I have WILLINGLY donated tons of funding to worthwhile "charities" those who you can see what they spend their monies on. Where I get annoyed is watching people in the "SYSTEM" able to abuse funds granted to them--
 
perhaps if they were a little more frugal/responsible, they could:
 
a) either get by on less funds (leaving some for more indigent people) or
 
b) get their acts in gear and get off "aid" entirely, and become "CONTRIBUTING" members of society, perhaps enabling people LESS FORTUNATE PEOPLE THAN THEMSELVES a chance as well.
 Would you mind toning down the color/bolding/size? It makes your posts rather difficult to read.I'm curious PlayfulGoddess, have you personally ever been on any public programs or aid? You seem really angry and resentful about this whole topic, IMO unless you know the persons background and health status then you have no idea whether or not they have contributed. To blindly look at someone using food stamps, getting Medicaid etc and assuming they are nothing but a drain on a society that you personally prop up is well... a pretty large assumption of a pretty large and divergent group of people.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 4:49:23 PM   
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Do student loans count?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 4:59:53 PM   
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Yeah, let's make sure that really poor people have a completely joyless existence with no escape other than recreational drug use and unprotected sex, because our moral fiber is so strong that we could easily do without the periodic birthday cake or non-library book.

Even better if they're sick - I mean what do they need other than maybe meds maybe a roof and to stare at the walls? They're just beggars who deserve their disabilities.




First of all I NEVER suggested going WITHOUT a birthday cake, and yeah truthfully IT DOES HAVE ME A BIT IRKED THAT I HAVE TO SHELL OUT ABOUT $20,000 per year to get any kind of decent health care coverage as a private individual, while others are MIS-USING/abusing the "system"
 
And what IS wrong with using the public library? NOT only do I DONATE my purchased books to it as "friends of the library", but over $400 of my taxes every year go into helping sustain it... AND I make additional PURCHASES from library book "sales" days in order to help keep the coffers full at the local public library.
 
If I can bake a friggen cake, someone else can (particularly someone without their own NATURAL funding)
 
When the heck are people gonna actually own up to their RESPONSIBILITIES and stop trying to sponge off the rest of us saps?
 
As for "joy" YOU MAKE YOUR OWN!
 
I have WILLINGLY donated tons of funding to worthwhile "charities" those who you can see what they spend their monies on. Where I get annoyed is watching people in the "SYSTEM" able to abuse funds granted to them--
 
perhaps if they were a little more frugal/responsible, they could:
 
a) either get by on less funds (leaving some for more indigent people) or
 
b) get their acts in gear and get off "aid" entirely, and become "CONTRIBUTING" members of society, perhaps enabling people LESS FORTUNATE PEOPLE THAN THEMSELVES a chance as well.
 Would you mind toning down the color/bolding/size? It makes your posts rather difficult to read.I'm curious PlayfulGoddess, have you personally ever been on any public programs or aid? You seem really angry and resentful about this whole topic, IMO unless you know the persons background and health status then you have no idea whether or not they have contributed. To blindly look at someone using food stamps, getting Medicaid etc and assuming they are nothing but a drain on a society that you personally prop up is well... a pretty large assumption of a pretty large and divergent group of people.


What I said early on in my posts were that:

I BELIEVE that "socialized funding programs" are NECESSARY; and that my only qualm is when people ABUSE the system, which in my opinion WAY too many do.

When I listed my objection to that, I get a somewhat snarly response posted by grlwithboy giving EXTREMES to cite against my objection...

So, seriously, are rampant recreational drug using episodes the ONLY other choice (besides the non-protected sex) to living within your means/not abusing the 'system'? Hmm, I do wonder where these recreational drug users are getting the funding for said drugs anyway...

If you KNEW me (or perhaps even bothered to read my profile) you MIGHT have garnered from it that I'm NOT A SELFISH "ME" type of person--that I am merely a FRUSTRATED individual when I see abuses of the system and people not owning up to being the best person they can possibly be (when it is to the detriment of others at large) That's where I become annoyed.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 5:20:21 PM   
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I do understand that frustration, I really do. I guess I just tend to the opposite view, that unless I know that they are screwing the system over I can't just assume it. The only way to know is to know them and their situation, sometimes things are invisible to the outside.A comparison is handicapped parking tags, the kind that hang from the rearview mirror. From the outside I look totally fine. Relatively young (heh) and healthy which means there are times I get nasty looks and even comments when I get out of my truck with one of those thingies hanging in it.They can't 'see' what is wrong so it is assumed by some that I'm just lazy. Using my parents placard or manipulated the system to get one. Rather ironically I've been turned down for SSI 4 times now but golly gee I can get $20 a month in food stamps...so I am angry over the system. Really freaking angry, but it is from a different side. That is a part of why I rarely assume someone using food stamps to buy something nice is a user.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 5:30:05 PM   
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Actually drug/alcohol addiction isn't a basis for public assistance/SSI anymore in most places. 

Many people are on public assistance because they are disabled and have no ability to "get off aid".

Many others are on public assistance only for their children and not themselves and yes as a tax payer I do want kids to eat regardless of whether it's because their parent is just lazy or not.  Kids should eat period.

You could actually abandon a bit of the chip on your shoulder and go out and volunteer to help these people look for jobs, help them get better educated, help them learn to read and write.  I have found a big number WANT to be employed but may not have the sophistication to maneveur the requirements to do so.  There are tons of programs for civilian volunteers (not governement and not specially trained) to help people "get off of aid". 

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 6:37:22 PM   
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Actually drug/alcohol addiction isn't a basis for public assistance/SSI anymore in most places. 

Many people are on public assistance because they are disabled and have no ability to "get off aid".

Many others are on public assistance only for their children and not themselves and yes as a tax payer I do want kids to eat regardless of whether it's because their parent is just lazy or not.  Kids should eat period.

You could actually abandon a bit of the chip on your shoulder and go out and volunteer to help these people look for jobs, help them get better educated, help them learn to read and write.  I have found a big number WANT to be employed but may not have the sophistication to maneveur the requirements to do so.  There are tons of programs for civilian volunteers (not governement and not specially trained) to help people "get off of aid". 



huh, IMAGINE that! Laurell3 apparently hasn't bothered to read my profile as well...

Making generalizations about my "CHIP ON MY SHOULDER" and that maybe I should VOLUNTEER!!!

Well, let me tell you, I have believed in volunteerism MY ENTIRE life... from the time I was a little kid throwing carnivals against muscular dystrophy, was in scouting helping seniors with projects around their homes (after their families had moved away to the suburbs), visiting nursing homes to hopefully cheer up the residents, to teaching english as a second language programs, teaching people how to get prepared for a job interview (i.e. creating a resume, roleplaying the interview process, donating "corporate attire" to women's job bank / retraining facilities... Donating time/funds to several local women's/childrens abuse shelters... Handing out my old winter coats/accessories in front of the Lyric Opera House to homeless people wandering about withOUT proper clothing. Collecting more coats to give to established foundations to distribute the additional said coats. Going down to the "homeless people's" corner in the city to hand out loaves of bread, handy-wipes, and jars of peanut butter and knives to the ones who did not want to actually go to shelters...

I have tutored all throughout my ENTIRE life, I have helped people study for their G.E.D.'s, I have helped foreigners to study for their citizenship tests, I have instructed small mom & pop start-up businesses on how to run successfully. I was a member of S.C.O.R.E. (service corp of retired executives) LONG before I was retired, I was 29 at the time when I first volunteered. I have had congress people contact me to help set-up local programs for said types of ventures. I was invited to the White House for dinner to discuss how to successfully induce the small business community into donating to beneficial causes...

I am NOT merely some whiney little princess, I HAVE ALWAYS PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS... (can you say the same? couldn't really tell from your profile) (and I NOTICED you did NOT VIEW MINE--if you had PERHAPS you might gotten a flavor for what I am about)

I take objection that because I voiced my OPINION, that I am personally assaulted/insulted, without you basically knowing ONE SINGLE THING ABOUT ME.

I HAVE NEVER TAKEN POTSHOTS AGAINST ANYONE ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS (even when I thought they had their head up their butt)

The "chip on my shoulder" as you refer to it is FROM FRUSTRATION, from doing literally everything in my reasonable power to "help" the situation out and seeing ABUSERS of the system STEALING from the others who truly need the benefits, while they blow-off THEIR responsibilities to partake in the basic care of themselves. The way I see it, if they were not resting on their laurels maybe some more of the people (who sometimes can't even get to the places they would need to sign up for benefits) might have a little better shot at improving their lives as well.

Again, until potshots were taken against me, I was merely telling my opinion, it was after that when I became somewhat riled.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 6:47:46 PM   
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It ain't all that personal believe me.  Kudos to you for volunteering and I mean that sincerely, however, none of the things you volunteer for seem to address this issue you seem to be concerned about.  I don't need to perv your profile to read your posts.  I have rather good reading comprehension skills for the most part and when people micro-manage what others on benefits do and rant about it incessently, yeah it does actually appear like a chip, sorry.  Feel free as always to correct me without going postal.

Because you ask yes I don't list my personal life/career on a profile on a d/s bdsm site and won't do so here other than in general.  Oddly I suppose you could call my entire career a volunteer project and yes, I am involved in a number of committees, boards, educational programs, etc designed to address some of these issues and more.  However, I actually seek to help more GET benefits rather than policing those that have them for various reasons inherent to the system here, the primary one being I deal with the effects to um's not adults for the most part.  The reason I don't list them or advertise them is a) it's really not paticularly appropriate here and b) doing is much greater than saying.

Edited to add: I don't doubt that there are those that abuse the system as with any system there are always negative exceptions.  However, there are a great many that truly need those benefits for themselves and their families to survive and if we have to dole out a bit more for the abusers to save some um's that need to eat, hell is this really a choice?

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 7:05:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PlayfulGoddess

I HAVE NEVER TAKEN POTSHOTS AGAINST ANYONE ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS (even when I thought they had their head up their butt)

The "chip on my shoulder" as you refer to it is FROM FRUSTRATION, from doing literally everything in my reasonable power to "help" the situation out and seeing ABUSERS of the system STEALING from the others who truly need the benefits, while they blow-off THEIR responsibilities to partake in the basic care of themselves. The way I see it, if they were not resting on their laurels maybe some more of the people (who sometimes can't even get to the places they would need to sign up for benefits) might have a little better shot at improving their lives as well.

Again, until potshots were taken against me, I was merely telling my opinion, it was after that when I became somewhat riled.
 Both quotes snipped for brevity and points mentioned. I see the post below, as a potshot  and a snarky comment about someones situation.   
quote:

ORIGINAL: PlayfulGoddess

I don't personally know Luna, she may be a wonderful caring, and responsible mother/"wife", but I did sorta feel that TINGE of annoyance when I read the part where she stated she has "basic" cable...



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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 7:22:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

quote:

ORIGINAL: PlayfulGoddess

I HAVE NEVER TAKEN POTSHOTS AGAINST ANYONE ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS (even when I thought they had their head up their butt)

The "chip on my shoulder" as you refer to it is FROM FRUSTRATION, from doing literally everything in my reasonable power to "help" the situation out and seeing ABUSERS of the system STEALING from the others who truly need the benefits, while they blow-off THEIR responsibilities to partake in the basic care of themselves. The way I see it, if they were not resting on their laurels maybe some more of the people (who sometimes can't even get to the places they would need to sign up for benefits) might have a little better shot at improving their lives as well.

Again, until potshots were taken against me, I was merely telling my opinion, it was after that when I became somewhat riled.
 Both quotes snipped for brevity and points mentioned. I see the post below, as a potshot  and a snarky comment about someones situation.   
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ORIGINAL: PlayfulGoddess

I don't personally know Luna, she may be a wonderful caring, and responsible mother/"wife", but I did sorta feel that TINGE of annoyance when I read the part where she stated she has "basic" cable...





Wasn't meant to be a potshot at her, just merely a "button" that got pressed when I read it. Also, others made the same/similar comments as I did, but it was ME the one who got slammed for it.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/10/2007 7:24:21 PM   
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I know that things are very different here in Aus, we all have access to basic health care and the welfare system is different.

I am on a disbility payment, I can not work due to my disability and have to make do with what I get. I get about $500 Au dollars a fortnight out of that i have to pay all of my bills, buy food and live. After rent and bills are paid i have very little left but out of what i have left I have managed to save up and buy Master a new flogger for Christmas. Should I not have done this just because I am on welfare? Is buying Master a flogger for christmas using welfare to support someone elses kink? You know what I don't care if it is, I went without things i needed or wanted to get someone i care about a christmas present. If i could i would work, I want to work but my disability won't allow me too.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 3:58:11 AM   
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I know that things are very different here in Aus, we all have access to basic health care and the welfare system is different.

I am on a disbility payment, I can not work due to my disability and have to make do with what I get. I get about $500 Au dollars a fortnight out of that i have to pay all of my bills, buy food and live. After rent and bills are paid i have very little left but out of what i have left I have managed to save up and buy Master a new flogger for Christmas. Should I not have done this just because I am on welfare? Is buying Master a flogger for christmas using welfare to support someone elses kink? You know what I don't care if it is, I went without things i needed or wanted to get someone i care about a christmas present. If i could i would work, I want to work but my disability won't allow me too.


Master and I are both on pensions, He disability and me as His carer.  He has renal failure and diabetes along with arthritis.  He is on home haemodialysis three times a week for 5 to 8 hours at a stretch.  I am His assistant and also see to His meds and any other things which may need doing.  His health varies a lot from day to day so I am unable to work either much as I would like to. 

We each get about $470 a fortnight.  We are in subsidised housing (a 2 bedroom unit) which takes 25% of our income.  Of what is left we have to pay phone bill including dial up internet, electricity, food, medication when we are not on the free list, and car expenses (a vehicle is needed as public transport is not always reliable).  We don't go out much and we don't have pay TV. 

I rationalise things this way - if Sir were to be dialysing in a hospital it would cost the government around $60,000 a year.  If I were not getting a pension in order to be able to care for Him, He would be in hospital a lot more which would cost much more than what I am being paid by the welfare authorities.  In effect I am saving the government a whole heap of money.  If we manage to save a bit of our pensions so we can have a few luxuries now and again, that's nobody else's business

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 5:38:18 AM   
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Caitlyn! 7 more years of college?  You have to be moching off of your parents.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 6:15:22 AM   
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well luna wasn't going to respond to this because it seemed to her that playful had missed the point of her post and that this really nice OP had gone into a tangent about whether people who are trying to survive on the bare  minimum deserve assistance deserve to survive at all.  luna is sorry if anyone begrudges her the $199 in food assistance that the gvt gives her because there are 2 people and 1 1/2 children trying to live off of $8 an hour.  Or if anyone begrudges luna the $5 she earns on ebay to go buy a length of chain or a dog leash.  luna specified that she DOESN'T shop at the local BDSM Botique spending $100 on a flogger or $75 on a crop.  she shops at pet stores, hardware stores and tack stores where she can buy chain for 0.49 a foot and a riding crop for $6. luna makes her own floggers and paddles and wrist cuffs.   luna spends hours combing thrift stores and antique shops (even though she's supposed to be on bed rest) for the little she earns reselling on ebay and doesn't feel that it's inappropriate for her to do a few small things for herself and her  Master.  as far as basic cable - luna cannot believe anyone would begrudge her um the few educational channels that basic cable provides, or luna the high speed internet it requires for her to run her business.  to have that type of internet, you must have basic cable.   blame that one on the cable company. 
 
but just because we are poor, does that mean we should have nothing that gives us pleasure?  what type of life does that condemn us to?  does luna have to spend 2 hours jumping from grocery store to grocery store with coupons and calculators trying to make $199 stretch as far as it can only to have to spend another 1/2 an hour justifying to someone else why she "deserves" to feed her children and spend a few extra dollars on small things that give us a few moments of pleasure. 
 
we live on a very strict budget.  luna apologizes profusely to playful if she was insulted by some welfare user(looser) who is probably selling most of her welfare for those fancy items.  but she begs playful to realize that just because some people are dishonest, doesn't mean all of them are.   $199 in food doesn't really do much for a family of 3 1/2 and my Master pays taxes off of his $8 an hour 13 hours a day to get the medical insurance and food assistance just like everyone else does and has paid those taxes for 20 years of working adulthood.  luna feels the same as playful when she spends hours in the welfare office in her thrift store clothing watching other's in nikes and designer clothes walking in and out with ease while she fights for every scrap of help she can get.  she's even been told specifically "why don't the white girl get a job"  others have no idea of the shame involved in walking into that office and asking for "help", the judgement involved and the tears spent on the ride home - tears of gratitude that the goddess provides mixed with tears of shame and pain.  but luna has starved before - luna has gone a week with nothing but soup so that her child can have meat.  and luna will do so again if she has to - AFTER the baby who depends on her is born. 
 
ps - we will loose alot of our assistance after baby is born.  6 weeks after luna will  no longer be able to get basic medical care or basic dental care.  luna doesn't want you to feel sorry for her - she deals with enough.  but she wants you to read what she has written so that you understand what she and MANY OTHERS suffer daily. 
 
and yet we still manage to be happy.  we still manage to smile and love each other and value what we have.  we try hard not to complain or begrudge the happiness that others who may be more well off find in their plasma screen tvs that allow them to ignore their wives and ums.  in fact - luna has seen more well off people who begrudge luna the little bit of help complain and be more internally miserable than luna.  luna would STILL rather be poor and happy than rich and bitchy.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:00:02 AM   
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Luna, having been  on both sides of the fence, on and off..... homeless or welfare, and other times working for several organizations who were charity based, personally I dont begrudge you a thing. No pity, but I empathise and can relate to your situation and I wish you much happiness and love in your future. Good luck when the new baby arrives, and I hope you can all  be happy no matter your situation.
One of the most ridiculous situations to me personally came about during a plannning meeting at one charity for the street kids.The plan was to go and distribute sleeping bags. It got caught up for five meetings, because questions of supreme importance came up such as, will there be free parking when they go out to give these sleeping bags out. Why doesnt the "company" validate parking when meetings are held as it costs 20$ a month to park. And a former charitable person wondered if she could get her shoes replaced cos she broke her 150 dollar heels at the last interaction with the "tatty people" as she called them. No action for the kids for five meetings, it just about drove me NUTS.
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:21:18 AM   
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yeah it does actually appear like a chip,
Would you mind please passing that chip this way? Kinda hungry, and havent eaten yet.....
I have been on both sides of the fence, and with everything Everything in this life, there are ALWAYS going to be people who abuse systems, bathroom priveledges, and anything else... Cheers to all who do not pass judgements on people, before knowing all the facts..
this thread brought back alot of memories for me, this christmas one ...
we had no money for a tree, so i picked up an artifical tree at the thrift store, along with a string of lights, and some trimmings for a tree.., cut all the limbs off the tree , then tacked the lights in a triangle onto the wall, and crisscrossed the lights in between,. I then took each limb, bent it outwards and placed it in the lights, hung a few balls off each limb, the kids loved it! Oh yeah, then we enjoyed supper that food stamps provided for us, Thank God!
Happy Holidays!
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:28:15 AM   
Leatherist


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Fast reply to nobody.

[sarcasm] Obviously, no man who isn't pulling down at least 100k a year can be a "twue master-for anyone who can master another has to be able to support her in the style to which she would like to become accustomed! [/sarcasm]

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:35:21 AM   
Maya2001


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Having been on social assistance myself after I left my husband,  I can understand both sides of the story
I will start with those recieving assistance for disability, they have had to prove they are unable to work by usually a number of doctors and often been put under  a lot of stress before  being proven unfit to work in most cases,  they will recieve a fixed amount for living off of, if they spend foolishly than they are screwed no more assistance will come their way , so they get the same regardless of how they spend it, so if they decide to go without one thing to get by something else I have no problems with because the amount of my taxes I pay is not affected

For those that are getting subsidized help , they also are on fixed amounts based on their income, how they choose to spend that money makes no difference to me if they spend on a luxury or non necessity that means they have to cut somewhere else, so again  my tax amount  is  not affected  if say someone  like Luna  decides to buy some leather to make a flogger for their personal recreation use that is their business.

What is abuse of the system is where those that have the opportunity to financial help themselves won't, for example in most cases single moms can get babysitting  to allow themselves to go back to school with assistance to often help as well for tuition, and they choose not to take advantage of, there are often programs to help with clothing inorder to help them with getting employment, most agencies and people have no problems with allowing the mom to stay home and raise their children to when they are in school fulltime as it helps to offset the funding of babysitting inorder to work, but I have seen a number of single moms feel that it should their right to stay of assistance till their child finishes school to me that is wrong, first because it does nothing to influence the child  that one should work for what they want and often I have seen these welfare children grow up to become wrlfare moms because that is the life they have become accustomed to and know so they see no reason to better themselves and expect more from life.

another problem is that by the time the children are done school mom has no skills or job references as a mature adult to assist her then in finding employment so greater chance of being a single adult and continued drain to the system

worse offence are those that continue to have children while recieving assistance which helps to increase their welfare income but also is used as a means to continue recieving assistance.

Other abuses include blowing their welfare check knowing that they can get food from a foodbank which was meant for the destitute instead which is like robbing from those that are contributing members of society and well as those far worse off

In most cases they are aware of what services are available to them to help them help themselves  as often a case worker will come be and visit them to discuess once of twice a year.  and I know it has not changed a whole lot from my days when i needed help getting ahead as I currently have an ex-daughter in law on the welfare system and unfortunately she is one of the lazy ones who refuses to help herself and is abusing the system including having a boyfriend living with her contributing to the household income while getting welfare and subsidized housing and has recently added a purebred puppy costing several hundred dollars to her home, I can only hope that my son and I can become the influence her daughter needs not to greo up and  become a useless cheating welfare mom herself, thankfully my son  did  see my  struggles  to make it  on  my own  to make myself a self supporting individual  and  he too  is disgusted at what she is doing and knows with the $600 he pays monthly in child support and providing benefits  she would no where have it as hard as I did trying to make it with no child support coming in , so she would not be as restricted in what jobs she can afford to take, because his support payments would allow her to make it with a minimim wage job and still recieve more that welfare pays.  

Sadly abuse of the system by single moms is actually very high, when I was on I would say close to 80%, because I don't live in  subsidized housing now nor am I doing taxes returns for those on assistance I can't say if it is as high now but with what little I see, I expect it is still greater than 50%.  the problem is that the individuals who are abusing the system are extremely selfish and lazy,  trying to resolve the problem using cutbacks won't work because these same individuals will allow their children to suffer before allowing themselves, so the only ones that really get hurt are the children, the only way I can possibly see  to resolve the abuse would be to  have large co-ops/communes where work, housing and daycare is available for abled bodied single moms  to recieve assistance, they must move into the co-op/commune with dorm type housing and work, with a portion of their earnings  set aside to help set themselves up back into the regular community should they find work, but I cannot see our society agreeing to something like this  as it would mean treating them more like more prisoners to achieve and I  know I for one as a former welfare mom who did not abuse the system would not want for myself,  but is the only way I can see a way around short of taking their children away and allowing them to fend for themselves and giving the children back only when they have proven they can support them with minimal assistance


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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:42:05 AM   
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the fantasy perception is like the Story of O that masters have lots of money,they have a chateau with a very well equiped Dungeon and they have space for all those slaves.the reality on the ground is a little different,i know of one domme in Cincy with a 20000 dollar dungeon,mostly i see Doms with working stiff dungeons with a few toys and maybe one or two pieces of furniture,i see nothing wrong with low income,i myself fit that mold.Depends on what you seek,if a sub seeks a daddy to support her then she probably isnt gonna go for the low income Dom,if she is seeking something else something personal and spiritual to her she probably wont mind the low income!

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 12/11/2007 8:56:02 AM   
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Geeesh, I guess the Guy who dreams of living in the Streets of Paris with 20 slave girls is screwed. 

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