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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 2:04:20 PM

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Whoa now, please keep in mind that not all "hets" are against gay marriage. I personally am all for it. I do not see homosexuality as a sin, and my masculinity is not threatened by it. If they want to adopt and marry and etc. etc. etc., more power to them.

You are absolutely right. I should have said 'some' hets. I stand corrected and apologize for the generalization.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 2:13:37 PM

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Why shouldn't the two be compared? They ARE alike! Or do blacks think they had it worse or something? Sorry, but no. We have it just as bad as they did. Arguably worse given that we still have these problems in a more liberal society that has done nothing for us for the most part.

What??????????????

You do remember that little problem we had a few years ago when we kidnapped people from their homes, shipped them as cargo halfway around the world, and put them in chains to pick cotton?

Actually, the slave trade worked solely because some of the local tribes rounded up members of other tribes to sell to the Europeans - who incidentally represented new customers for a long thriving industry previously patronised by Arabs and other African tribes.

But I have to disagree that somehow LGBT people have it more difficult than black people, or ever had it more difficult. We do not walk the world clearly marked out to all and sundry (unless we choose to be) so that those who feel us less worthy may bring their dislike to bear. Its only if we break cover that we experience that exposure and risk.

It is perhaps because of the obviousness of the existence of black people and so our common ability to recognise immediately the problem once we acknowledge it, of their day to day lives, that change has already been so long underway.

But change is coming - it is now irresistible, and despite that black voters may have contributed to the reason for this thread, it is in the end them that we have to thank that change for us has ever been so much as considered, let alone that so much change has been accomplished to date. If the civil rights movement had never been or had failed, we'd be where we were in the 1950s still - thrown in gaol and/or "treated" with "aversion therapies" for not conforming to some imagined ideal.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 4:44:30 PM

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Why shouldn't the two be compared? They ARE alike! Or do blacks think they had it worse or something? Sorry, but no. We have it just as bad as they did. Arguably worse given that we still have these problems in a more liberal society that has done nothing for us for the most part.

I think that gays should be entitled to marry.

That said, your comment about having it worse than blacks is not only way off the mark, but somewhat offensive. I dont see millions of gays being kidnapped and sold into slavery, thats providing they survive the trip. You really ought to think before you speak.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 4:46:32 PM

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Nothing makes them better bita and why do you see Civil Unions as a crumb?

What Joe and Ann have, again is backed up by 10,000 years of civilization. That is a bit more than mere tradition. Mary and Jane's idea dates back to the mid 80's and was prompted by health insurance.

Why not have both?

Three words: "Separate but Equal".

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 4:50:45 PM

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I think the O P could use a court ordered anger management course. Maybe every week for 6 months or so.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 4:50:59 PM

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I wonder how many of those who defend marriage according to religious principles and accord marriage thus as having deep religious meaning to them also make pure recourse to religious principles upon divorce, as opposed to seeking redress through the civil processes which they appear to hold irrelevant to the notion of marriage?

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 6:22:53 PM

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Once again I state that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, not separate but equal, just plain equal.

A homosexual male can marry the same female as a heterosexual one can, and vice versa for lesbian women marrying men.

What homosexuals really want is the true definition of "seperate but equal".

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:09:59 PM

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Why shouldn't the two be compared? They ARE alike! Or do blacks think they had it worse or something? Sorry, but no. We have it just as bad as they did. Arguably worse given that we still have these problems in a more liberal society that has done nothing for us for the most part.

I think that gays should be entitled to marry.

That said, your comment about having it worse than blacks is not only way off the mark, but somewhat offensive. I dont see millions of gays being kidnapped and sold into slavery, thats providing they survive the trip. You really ought to think before you speak.

That depends on what part of the world you live in doesn't it... try being openly gay in some Muslim countries… you will be treating much worse than blacks… if you survive.

Don't forget the thousands that were murdered by the Nazis...many instances in history where gays have been systematically exterminated.

I would guess that overall in America...outside of the slavery years…gays have been abused, ostracized, and discriminated against as much if not more than blacks in general.
Just a guess no statistics…again only going by my on eyes and experience. The only reason it is not worse is because it is easier to hide your gayness than skin color…but the hate is more intense for gays today and for many years.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:26:05 PM

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What homosexuals really want is the true definition of "seperate but equal".

Yep, and the millions of non-gay people who support gay marriage count for fuck all, of course

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"Separate but equal", I ask you... what a load of bollocks

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:26:48 PM

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im a tad bit confused. is it the phrase that homosexuals desire... marriage.. or the benefits?

seems to me most gay people want the trimmings that are afforded to a hetero couple.. insurance ect.

now, i see most are willing to fight over a term rather than go for the benefits they seek. just makes no sense to me

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:29:35 PM

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You will find that it is about equality of rights, not about what a certain group supposedly 'wants'. It's about what is right, too. And what is right is.. .equality of rights. Marriage is a right for heterosexual couples: marriage is a right for homosexual couples. Simple, no?

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:33:47 PM

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not really, kittin

until the judges who are old are off the benches... until the population that accepts the idea (or doesnt care about homosexuals being married) are of an age and a desire to vote for such... it wont happen. do i like it? nope.. not one bit.

but its sorta like the ERA... some of you may remember that. women gained alot through that initative... that failed. it never passed, for many reasons. i dont recall any woman who was foolish enough to say... I dont want the rights it gained me.. I would rather have the bill passed.

my point is this. if you cant gain entrance through the front door... sometimes a backdoor slink... grins

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:38:18 PM

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if you cant gain entrance through the front door... sometimes a backdoor slink... grins

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:51:30 PM

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Once again I state that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, not separate but equal, just plain equal.

A homosexual male can marry the same female as a heterosexual one can, and vice versa for lesbian women marrying men.

A heterosexual can marry the person s/he loves.

A homosexual cannot.

The inability of some people to grasp this key point truly defies belief.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:53:35 PM

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Once again I state that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, not separate but equal, just plain equal.

A homosexual male can marry the same female as a heterosexual one can, and vice versa for lesbian women marrying men.

A heterosexual can marry the person s/he loves.

A homosexual cannot.

The inability of some people to grasp this key point truly defies belief.

...ah, but i'm sure his friends laughed like drains. Then he told them he was a lesbian 'cos he liked women and they laughed some more......

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:57:19 PM

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im a tad bit confused. is it the phrase that homosexuals desire... marriage.. or the benefits?

seems to me most gay people want the trimmings that are afforded to a hetero couple.. insurance ect.

now, i see most are willing to fight over a term rather than go for the benefits they seek. just makes no sense to me

No that is sheer bullshit....we want to be given the same rights which a hetero couple have when they get married. Let me ask this: do heterosexual couple get married just to take advantage of the benefits to being married?????

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 7:57:35 PM

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Once again I state that homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, not separate but equal, just plain equal.

A homosexual male can marry the same female as a heterosexual one can, and vice versa for lesbian women marrying men.

What homosexuals really want is the true definition of "seperate but equal".

What a jackass. It's people like you that piss people like me off so much.

Ahhh sooo tolerant aren't you DG36

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 8:00:29 PM

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im a tad bit confused. is it the phrase that homosexuals desire... marriage.. or the benefits?

seems to me most gay people want the trimmings that are afforded to a hetero couple.. insurance ect.

now, i see most are willing to fight over a term rather than go for the benefits they seek. just makes no sense to me

No that is sheer bullshit....we want to be given the same rights which a hetero couple have when they get married. Let me ask this: do heterosexual couple get married just to take advantage of the benefits to being married?????

Correct bear, and what the fuck does that even mean? I still had to pay for my insurance while I was married, where is this magical place where you get insurance upon getting a marriage license? It is absurd.Gay people want to get married just because they have or should have the right, nothing more or less. We are so unevolved on this issue it is embarrassing.

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 8:02:18 PM

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some do, yes. some get married for financial reasons. some even get married just to stay in this country. but not all.

now, let me ask you something. you are trying to gain acceptance from a generation in power that grew up before "free love". is it better to make baby steps towards your goal in the face of such opposition, or to stand there and cry..; i want it all right now or none at all?

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RE: Prop 8 ruling makes me wanna kill people... - 5/27/2009 8:05:39 PM

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baby steps? These people have been fighting for this for decades. How many more baby steps must they take/ Let me ask you something tazzy, could your opinion have anything to do with the fact that you generally associate and post on the Gorean forums and they are not exactly gay friendly? I mean that sincerely. It is not exactly a secret that it is not a "gay" friendly place. I can cut and paste and link if you need me to, but I think you know what I am referring to, yes?

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