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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:06:49 PM

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Having just read up on the "No true scotsman fallacy", I have to agree with DomKen. the arguement about true christians is exactly that.

I agree also.

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What a bunch of gobbledygook... I wonder what the Bible says unequivocally about murder?

So let me get this straight....if Trutiness says a murderer can not be a true Christian and murder he is wrong because others say Muslims that murder are Muslims and what is good for one is for the other.

Am I right?

Why not separate and stick to this thread...I say I agree, a murderer should not be called a Christian...now work on this statement and forget about what others think of Muslim extremism.

Perhaps in another thread you could talk about the Muslim faith… we are talking about the Christian faith.

You are not refuting his statement you are saying discrimination towards Muslims nullifies his statement…How?

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:07:02 PM

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BTW is there even a condemnation of homsexuality in the 4 gospels? I can't find one.

There isn't in the entire NT.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:07:49 PM

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Neither of which I do. If you'd read the other thread, you'd see my belief that God forgives sin, which is a good thing because if simply being homosexual meant being damned, then we'd all be damned all having equally sinned.

Except that Jesus expects you to repent for your sins. Meaning, any homosexual who has not denounced his/her sexuality by their deathbed gets screwed.

So...my mistake. Christians espousing this belief just treat gays like delusional folks who are potentially damned if they remain too stubborn about what to do with their own bodies.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:09:03 PM

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Great, now just quote me saying that I damn homosexuals, or stop with the strawmen. They're getting old.

No strawmen here. Just true scots.
Way to go to avoid my bush comment though.

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Was too busy pointing out the strawmen that you seem blind too. As for the Bush thing, I don't think it was terrorism, nor can one presume that Bush was doing God's willllllll.......or if he's even Christian...he may or may not be, I don't know. Certainnnnly not enough there to conclude it IS "Christian terrorism", which I guess explains your flaky wording that it "could be considered such."

Or I could just go bomb a building and claim I'm doing it for "Darcy and the Dark" so you'd be supporters of your own terrorism wether you like or support it or not. :p

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:09:08 PM

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BTW is there even a condemnation of homsexuality in the 4 gospels? I can't find one.

There isn't in the entire NT.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:10:29 PM

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Neither of which I do. If you'd read the other thread, you'd see my belief that God forgives sin, which is a good thing because if simply being homosexual meant being damned, then we'd all be damned all having equally sinned.

Except that Jesus expects you to repent for your sins. Meaning, any homosexual who has not denounced his/her sexuality by their deathbed gets screwed.

That goes for the myriad of sins I'd committed too. But really, it's not accepting Christ that damns a person...not homosexuality, murder, or any other specific sin.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:11:18 PM

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Great, now just quote me saying that I damn homosexuals, or stop with the strawmen. They're getting old.

That's an accurate point. You specifically do not choose to damn them...you just support a deity that does.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:11:29 PM

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BTW is there even a condemnation of homsexuality in the 4 gospels? I can't find one.

There isn't in the entire NT.

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Oops.

Except for Romans chapter 1. But we're really getting off topic here....

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:12:51 PM

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Great, now just quote me saying that I damn homosexuals, or stop with the strawmen. They're getting old.

That's an accurate point. You specifically do not choose to damn them...you just support a deity that does.

I support the deity that loves them as much as he loves me and wishes salvation for everyone.

God's not the damner.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:14:32 PM

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That goes for the myriad of sins I'd committed too. But really, it's not accepting Christ that damns a person...not homosexuality, murder, or any other specific sin.

So, a mass murderer who decides to accept Jesus moments before lethal injection goes to heaven, but a homosexual (who's never commited a crime) who rejects christianity because he knows there's nothing wrong with what he wants to do with his body...he doesn't?

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:17:19 PM

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I support the deity that loves them as much as he loves me and wishes salvation for everyone.

God's not the damner.

I realize this is a BDSM community,and many of us can express love at the end of a whip...but, there is usually that pesky concept of consent that differentiates love from, you know...abuse, assault...

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:19:24 PM

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That's not for me to decide. There's evidence in the Bible of people being saved after death so I don't know. But again, that's entirely off topic.

I'm here just trying to point out that those who commit terrorism aren't following Christ when they do so...and find it so odd that so many are trying so hard to believe otherwise.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:20:31 PM

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I support the deity that loves them as much as he loves me and wishes salvation for everyone.

I guess the question, then, is how much does he love you?

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:21:44 PM

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...and wishes salvation for everyone.

God's not the damner.

An omniscient deity doesn't have to hope. He knows precisely the percentage chance that his individual creation will fall into sin because he allowed for that percentage to even exist. Not only that, he knew, based on that percentage, what the result would be and still chose to let a human come to life that he would inevitably put into an eternal frying pan after death.

At best, if you want to say god just covers his eyes when adding the '% chance of sinning' and '% chance of repentance' coefficients, then he's just a careless gambler with people's lives. He, at best, plays Russian roulette with people's lives and their supposed souls.

This is love?

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:22:04 PM

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Butch, I wasn't even looking at the whole muslim bit. I am looking at the one statement - that apparently he isn't a true christian.

If a man claims to be killing in the name of god, regardless of whether you think he defines what a christian is - is still ling in the name of his god. If he makes the statement that he is only doing what Jesus told him and uses the bible as an example, then he is a christian murderer.
If he does this and other things in an attempt to sway opinion, law or peoples behaviour through murder and fear, that is terrorism.

Whether he is a 'true' christian is NOT your decision to make. It is gods. Whether you follow a 'true christians' lead is your decision or not. There are people out there that will and those that will not. There are catholics and christians and mormons and evangelicals and baptists - some dance, some don't. You can't choose who are the true and real christians just because it suits you. That is superiority. There is no hieracy in christianity. You don't get to be a better christian because your more loving, kinder, more studious, kill more sinners, save more people, convert more heatherns than another.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:23:46 PM

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If a man claims to be killing in the name of god, regardless of whether you think he defines what a christian is - is still ling in the name of his god.

Jesus DID warn us that many would come falsely in his name.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:24:01 PM

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That's not for me to decide. There's evidence in the Bible of people being saved after death so I don't know. But again, that's entirely off topic.

I'm here just trying to point out that those who commit terrorism aren't following Christ when they do so...and find it so odd that so many are trying so hard to believe otherwise.

My view is that those people believe just as fervently as you that what they did and are doing is specifically what their god wishes them to do. And no one "belief" is any more "true" than the next.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:27:37 PM

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Whether he is a 'true' christian is NOT your decision to make. It is gods.

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If he makes the statement that he is only doing what Jesus told him and uses the bible as an example, then he is a christian murderer.[/size]

See the hypocrisy there? You claim it's not my decision as to if he's a true Christian...but in the same post assert yourself that he IS a christian.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:29:43 PM

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My view is that those people believe just as fervently as you that what they did and are doing is specifically what their god wishes them to do. And no one "belief" is any more "true" than the next.

I can't point where in the Bible Jesus says to love one another, forgive one another, give to the needy.

The guy that murdered Tiller can't show me where Jesus says to kill abortion doctors. Jesus did say "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

This guy fired off a really fast lead stone in disobedience to what Jesus said.

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RE: christian terrorism? - 6/5/2009 2:30:16 PM

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BTW is there even a condemnation of homsexuality in the 4 gospels? I can't find one.

There isn't in the entire NT.

the.dark.

Oops.

It's something I have mentioned before, that Jesus far from condenming homosexuality, he heals a young boy whom, in those times would have been most likely a young gay male lover. He does so on the request of the boys lover/owner, almost rebuking those following by stating that he has never seen such faith, even in israel.

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