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BTW is there even a condemnation of homsexuality in the 4 gospels? I can't find one.

There isn't in the entire NT.
 
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It's something I have mentioned before, that Jesus far from condenming homosexuality, he heals a young boy whom, in those times would have been most likely a young gay male lover.  He does so on the request of the boys lover/owner, almost rebuking those following by stating that he has never seen such faith, even in israel.
 
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Whether he is a 'true' christian is NOT your decision to make. It is gods.

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If he makes the statement that he is only doing what Jesus told him and uses the bible as an example, then he is a christian murderer.

See the hypocrisy there? You claim it's not my decision as to if he's a true Christian...but in the same post assert yourself that he IS a christian.

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Jesus also saved the life of a prostitute by telling those ready to stone her "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus forgave her sins...

...but then told her *to sin no more*

Yes, Jesus was loving, forgiving, and eager to help the sinners; enough to die for them. This is nothing I haven't known for decades. =)

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ORIGINAL: DarcyandthedarkNo hypocrasy on my part.
For one, I do not condemn nor exalt him as a true anything.
For another, I simply state that if a man calls himself a christian, I am not the person nor power whom makes that decision whether he is or not.  Anymore than you have that right.

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Jesus also saved the life of a prostitute by telling those ready to stone her "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus forgave her sins...

...but then told her *to sin no more*

Yes, Jesus was loving, forgiving, and eager to help the sinners; enough to die for them. This is nothing I haven't known for decades. =)

And so Jesus named prostitution a sin.  So?
He never condemend and named homosexuality as one, did he?  In fact he exalted the man.
Prostitution and homosexuality are hardly the same.
 
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Yes, Jesus was loving, forgiving, and eager to help the sinners; enough to die for them. This is nothing I haven't known for decades. =)

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Jesus also saved the life of a prostitute by telling those ready to stone her "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus forgave her sins...

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Yet you seem to insist that he should be called a "Christian murderer" despite admitting you don't have the right to claim wether or not he is actually Christian.

I don't really claim to have that right too. What I *do* have are the words of Jesus, the definition of "Christian" (follower of Christ), and the fact that this guy did something that Jesus absolutely forbade. It's not unreasonable to suspect that just *maybe* we don't know that this guy really is a Christian, and thus claiming it's "Christian Terrorism" is an assumption at it's best.

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Jesus also saved the life of a prostitute by telling those ready to stone her "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus forgave her sins...

So you haven't actually read the bible then. No version of the bible based on an accurate translation from the original sources says prostitute they all say adulterer.
For instance KJV John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

At the very least you should read the bible and make sure you're not spouting popular misconceptions instead of what it actually says.

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Jesus also saved the life of a prostitute by telling those ready to stone her "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Jesus forgave her sins...

So you haven't actually read the bible then. No version of the bible based on an accurate translation from the original sources says prostitute they all say adulterer.
For instance KJV John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

At the very least you should read the bible and make sure you're not spouting popular misconceptions instead of what it actually says.

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ORIGINAL: DarcyandthedarkNo, I am saying that if the man calls himself a christian and he murdered, then who am I to argue?

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If you are going to go on about how a person should be a christian, then very few fit the criteria.  Are you a christian?  Do you fulfil the 'rules'?

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Butch, I wasn't even looking at the whole muslim bit.  I am looking at the one statement - that apparently he isn't a true christian.
 
If a man claims to be killing in the name of god, regardless of whether you think he defines what a christian is - is still ling in the name of his god.  If he makes the statement that he is only doing what Jesus told him and uses the bible as an example, then he is a christian murderer.
If he does this and other things in an attempt to sway opinion, law or peoples behaviour through murder and fear, that is terrorism.
 
Whether he is a 'true' christian is NOT your decision to make.  It is gods.  Whether you follow a 'true christians' lead is your decision or not.  There are people out there that will and those that will not.  There are catholics and christians and mormons and evangelicals and baptists - some dance, some don't.  You can't choose who are the true and real christians just because it suits you.  That is superiority.  There is no hieracy in christianity.  You don't get to be a better christian because your more loving, kinder, more studious, kill more sinners, save more people, convert more heatherns than another.
 
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ORIGINAL: DarcyandthedarkNo, I am saying that if the man calls himself a christian and he murdered, then who am I to argue?

By that logic, you wouldn't argue with me if I claimed I was a martian with a 3 million IQ?

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I gotta say, I think Truthy has a point. Just because some damn fool waves a Bible or a Koran around while he spews his hateful nonsense doesn't make him a Christian or a Muslim.

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If you are going to go on about how a person should be a christian, then very few fit the criteria.  Are you a christian?  Do you fulfil the 'rules'?

"He that believes and is baptized shall be saved", etc..etc. I follow Jesus, which is what Christian means.

I can't tell you what's in the murderer's heart...but his actions are very not Christian-like, based off the words of Jesus. And since Jesus made it clear that simply claiming to be his follower doesn't make it true...why are you quicker to believe his words than his actions?

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ORIGINAL: DarcyandthedarkNo, I am saying that if the man calls himself a christian and he murdered, then who am I to argue?

By that logic, you wouldn't argue with me if I claimed I was a martian with a 3 million IQ?

 
We are not talking aliens, we are talking the tenets of christianity and what that means to people who follow the bible.  If we were talking about the xfiles or trekkies, that would be a different kettle of 'gagh'.  Are you or are you not a christian?
 
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