lovingpet
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ORIGINAL: lovingpet
We really do get it Lucienne. I swear. We do. It's NOT the same thing in that there was initial consent. Beyond that, everything becomes murky because some actually do consent to being hit with an iron weight or whatever other "horrific" thing you wish to throw out there. Though not a legal transaction, some actually are bought and sold for money and goods. Some actually do endure what would be realistically considered real life rape simply because that internal enslavement others have discussed has gone so deep that they really don't see the way out anymore. Some do very sincerely suffer at the hands of their dominant party and not all as consentual as you are liking to paint it, but in the end it is what they knew they were signing up for. I will admit these cases tend to be few and far between, but they are real and suck a lot of air out of this whole argument.
This simple matter of initial consent is a dividing line, I suppose, between "real" slavery and so called roleplaying. Sure you have a point. It's not the SAME thing, but it is far from being so different as to be laughably dismissed as mere fantasy either. I have a long history of fighting for human rights in a great many ways and I don't even begin to accept the idea the legal practice of slavery is a pretty picture. The true investment to gain a slave is minimal and they are equally disposable, unlike the value placed on the possessions who post on these boards. I have witnessed many of the things for which I fight so passionately first hand. I will never discount the suffering that goes on, but I will also not for a minute say that the mindset and potential conditions of a "consentual" slave cannot mirror the condition of nonconsentual slavery either. I don't think it waters down anything to recognize the parallels.
Back to the subject at hand, I will attempt to put it simply (since that has worked out so well up to this point LOL). I am his and obediently serving him at all times as he requires no matter what he might desire. He may choose to exercise some, none, or all of that "total" control he has over me, but in the end, it is his regardless of what he does with it.
lovingpet
Thank you for the response, lovingpet. I know that many people get it. I'm not holding the entire forum responsible for others being unwilling to support their arguments.
I don't think it waters things down to recognize potential parallels between consensual and non-consensual servitude. But I think those parallels would be made on a case by case basis. And in Jeff's case, I do find it laughable to suggest that Carol shares much in common with some poor Ukrainian woman who came to the country expecting to be working as a domestic only to be privately imprisoned and whored out for cash. I find it ironic that my position-- premised on the idea that Jeff is a man who values and loves his wife, a premise based on numerous posts of his that I've read-- is perceived by some as an insult or an attack.
This is an interesting statement for me. I have talked before about how I wound up so far off the mark of where I thought I was heading that some people would actually state that I have been grossly violated. The fact is that, yes, I have. I should be scratching and clawing my way as far away from my partner as I can manage! This is so completely NOT what I signed up for! He has simply and unceremoniously ripped through my very HARD limits with complete disregard for anything I would have thought or felt on the matter! He's a bastard!
As much as it would thrill some folks to see me get my hide tanned for what I just said, he would completely agree with it all and smile. The fact is that a very similar mental change occured in me that keeps the slave woman in your example from running away. I've grown to love my captor and accept both my own condition and his expectations, moods, and schedules. This is just how it is. I have actually had people urge me that I don't have to go this way and that I could have all these needs of mine met by someone else that would "respect" me. Still there is no motivation to go even when the way of escape is wide open to me and I am fully aware of it. Call it a form of Stockholm syndrome if you will, but his hand is more or less inescapable for me now.
All of this hideousness being said, my partner loves, respects, and values me. He demonstrates that by placing me in such a state. I am not sure if Carol would see it the way I do, but I came in with some very definite ideas of how the whole thing would go. As time has gone on, my playbook has long since been thrown out and yet I am unable to get my righteous indignation up and walk away. His plan for me is all too fitting for me as much as I may not like it at times. He knows me too well and, in so doing, controls me to a level that leaves me not wanting or even knowing how to walk away. I can't believe I ever fell for his tripe! Strangely enough, I'm glad I did.
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